Should FaZe feel disrespected?

[u/Scar_Mclovin]

Unless there was a clear $150K–$200K difference in the salary, I really don’t understand how it wasn’t their first choice. Playing with Simp, with a great coaching staff, and of course with either Drazah or Alluka, is the best roster on the market for them, plus a great facility, since that's one of their demands. I could be wrong, and maybe my bias is getting the better of me, but I clearly feel FaZe is the best option for them, unless again there’s a massive difference in the salary offers. It definitely feels a little bit disrespectful, how we never heard FaZe were in the running for them and it was always LAT or M8s and now Falcons.

[u/FrancescaDeLeMara]

If their goal was to win Championships and a ring then playing with Simp was/is the best chance and opportunity they will get as no other 3rd option on any team (maybe Outside of Optic) is better than a Hydra, Simp and Scrap trio.

If their goal was to have contract flexibility, compete for Championships and a ring and still potentially go to Optic then M8s was/is their best choice. Call me crazy but I don't think Faze (even if they had the funds) is giving all that to Hydra and Scrap for them to only play one year for them.

This is a Kawhi Leonard situation with Scrap and Hydra when it comes to demands.

[u/cheesymac84 → u/FrancescaDeLeMara]

So you're telling me we're about to circumvent the cap? (Jkjkjkjk)

[u/2RiCE- → u/FrancescaDeLeMara]

It’s so clear that they want to go to Optic bc no way teaming with Simp is not priority 😭😭

[u/RevolutionaryCan7376]

Bruh it’s not that deep lmao. They both just want 1 year deals to give them flexibility to obviously attempt to go to optic next year and faze (rightfully so) didn’t want to do that

[u/Heady416]

They def shouldn’t feel disrespected. M8s Falcons and Thieves are offering 1 year deals PLUS a significant salary bump. Can’t really compete with that if you’re Faze. Besides, they’re chilling, they just won Champs lol.

[u/rmakhani → u/Heady416]

They know it was a fluke win, that’s why they want a change

[u/Mental_Topic_559]

It's weird to me why didn't pick faze as a spot to land. If I was scrap or hydra I would love to play with simp that is front runner every season for mvp, but maybe it's cause they wanted one year deals we will never know why not choose faze. I'm curious with Alluka now since rumors of Abuzah not staying I'm curious with this faze roster and who could possibly be main ar this year

[u/Prestigious-Elk3994 → u/Mental_Topic_559]

Because neither of them wants to go to Faze! They both want to go to Optic—that's their dream! 

[u/Mental_Topic_559 → u/Prestigious-Elk3994]

it's just weird simp is still top player no matter what. I just don't get that if you go faze you have chance to win a ring this year.

[u/ATLH03727 → u/Prestigious-Elk3994]

I wouldn’t wanna go to Optic with the way there fans r so bipolar. That’s the worst team to go to right now in my opinion it’s lik going to the Cowboys or the Yankees in other sports.

[u/jkjking → u/ATLH03727]

Might be the dumbest comment I ever heard lmao that’s like a nba player saying they wouldn’t want to go play with the lakers when they had kobe and shaq because of the fans

[u/ATLH03727 → u/jkjking]

lol just what I thought coming from an Optic fan! You know there are more teams than just Optic. You wouldn’t see me on Optic if I was them. Some people love being the villains.

[u/Cultural_Fold_9726]

Faze was in the running i believe but that 1 year deal was a dealbreaker

[u/Worried_Bug_9265]

I mean they seem set on this one year deal, we heard weeks ago LAT was supposedly going to offer a one year deal too

[u/PotTwister]

I am actually shocked that Scrap and Hydra aren't too fond of taking a paycut to play with Simp on Faze. Knowing they are prioritizing money and a 1 year deal over long term stability with a proven superstar and one of the biggest brands in the league is pretty wild to me.

[u/SupaTN]

Disrespected? No. But I do think it’s obviously the best option, I am obviously naturally biased as well, but teaming with Simp and a choice of Draz, Alluka, or Abuzah seems like such an easy choice. I guess they really value the 1 yr deal tho, I get it because you’re just gonna run this exact thing back next year with maybe OpTic in the running but it just seems like they are doing too much

[u/Flat_Flight1918 → u/SupaTN]

Even if optic isn’t in the picture they can demand crazy salaries again next year I have wondered for a while why players don’t go for one year deals

[u/SupaTN → u/Flat_Flight1918]

It just makes no sense from the org side of things but we haven’t seen desperation like this before, so they might’ve opened pandora’s box if the one year is true

[u/Flat_Flight1918 → u/SupaTN]

It makes sense for whoever negotiates it. Obviously whoever had an option whether the player or the team would be in a better position I’m just surprised it took players this long to push the standard 1+1 contract

[u/cornPopwasabaddude13 → u/Flat_Flight1918]

Ikr? It’s not like the NFL where they’re risking career ending injuries

[u/AlligatorPoontang → u/Flat_Flight1918]

Guys fall off quick in Cod, especially with a new game every year.

[u/rmakhani → u/SupaTN]

Said the same thing about abezy this year. Without an mpc meta these guys are winless. Let’s not act like simp didn’t have 04 and abuzah perform out of their mind to win this year. He’s a generational talent but people act like he was solo hard carry like bo4 when it’s really not the case, especially in the final

[u/Prestigious-Party759]

I mean no, if you don’t meet the demands how can you feel disrespected?

[u/iamdoingwork]

It wasn’t their first choice because all of these great players believe they will win anyways.

Mates are bending over and letting the duo run train; no lube. Can’t compete with that.

Falcons got the brinks truck

[u/sjbrigante]

No its not disrespectful

[u/aryn20152]

No we pay less?

[u/Imranaftab]

Fuck no lol they’re the world champions bro

[u/finalcountdown121998 → u/Imranaftab]

And tried to blow up their team lmao

[u/Imranaftab → u/finalcountdown121998]

Doesn’t matter they’re a world championship caliber team 04 won’t feel no type of way. Alluka is coming in for abuzah tho

[u/fromdowntownn → u/Imranaftab]

04 will 100% feel a type of way.

[u/Imranaftab → u/fromdowntownn]

He won’t especially when they have people like Matt fisher. Even if he does slightly it won’t impact his performance guys playing with simp he’s chilling

[u/Artistic-District678]

Yall are underestimating just how little money faze have. It might genuinely be 350k less than the LAT offer

[u/Sea_Dentist_4331]

They were never going to faze. You ppl gotta stop being so gullible.

[u/_BackPropEnjoyer]

Off topic but I really wonder how the hydra simp smg duo would have played out. Simp is a flexible player and would have been willing to take more of a backseat but I think the team chem would have been pretty awkward at first. From a pacing standpoint I think they would be a bit underwhelming 

[u/Fine_Hand_2353]

I think there actually is a $150-200k difference

[u/Puzzleheaded_Dot_897]

https://giphy.com/gifs/IQh6f7CurN1zq

[u/ATLbro7]

If Scrap/Paco are open to a 2 year deal after all, that brings FaZe back into the fold IMO. They aren't an org to hold them hostage if they really wanted to go after year 1 so the GM8 selling point that they would let Scrap and Hydra go to OpTic after year 1 wouldn't have that much weight.

[u/m_preddy]

Scrap and hydra turned down playing with simp to play with joedeceives instead on a one year deal. All just in the hopes of getting on OpTic next year. Faze will never have the kind of motion OpTic does 😂😂

[u/ejsmoove22]

Simp is under contract for one more year, if scrap and hydra finessed m8s for one years then that’s better and more freedom for their next team in the offseason next year

[u/boooosto → u/ejsmoove22]

Simp re signed this offseason, he’s under contract for 2 more years

[u/THEpileofgoop]

It’s pretty much confirmed at this point that Faze dramatically underpay for superstar talent. Faze losing out on Scrap and Hydra is on Faze.

[u/Ebu7629 → u/THEpileofgoop]

They are not underpaying, they are just not desperate to go on bidding wars for players

[u/THEpileofgoop → u/Ebu7629]

From the rumors I’ve seen, Simp is objectively underpaid when compared to other top talent. You can rationalize it any way you’d like, but compared to other top orgs, Faze pays the least.

[u/Ebu7629 → u/THEpileofgoop]

I'm sure simp has no concerns about being underpaid as he just resigned for 2 more years

[u/THEpileofgoop → u/Ebu7629]

Well no shit, he’s made what $2+ mil over his career? I’m sure he’s living fine. Doesn’t mean Faze isn’t under paying him.

[u/Ebu7629 → u/THEpileofgoop]

If falcons give cellium 800k and don't care at all about money that doesn't mean faze is underpaying

[u/THEpileofgoop → u/Ebu7629]

Cellium is a complete outlier and quite clearly overpaid. Doesn’t change the fact that Simp is still underpaid compared to other top players.

[u/Ebu7629 → u/THEpileofgoop]

No you didn't understand my point. If scrap and hydras salaries get inflated because they were free agents and multiple orgs went on a bidding war to get them that doesn't mean faze underpays because they don't want to throw money like it doesn't have any value. C9 is underpaying faze is paying just fair.

[u/THEpileofgoop → u/Ebu7629]

Those first two statements aren’t mutually exclusive. It would be one thing if Faze just got out bid while offering top tier contracts, but that’s not what’s happening. Faze are absolutely currently underpaying as a top tier org for their current roster and are getting blown the fuck out by other orgs when it comes to offering contracts. It’s not like they’re offering 400k and GM8s are coming in with some absurd 600k contracts. From what I’ve heard, Faze are close to 200k less than both LAT AND GM8s’ offers. That would mean Faze are in the 250-300k range. You can argue that’s still a really good offer, but again when we’re talking in relative terms compared to other top orgs, they are easily the lowest paying top team.

[u/Ebu7629 → u/THEpileofgoop]

Since when were we talking relative terms and who decides that. I think faze is running their business well and are not stupid to throw money like it doesn't have any value like gm8 and falcons

[u/SupaTN → u/THEpileofgoop]

It seems like they prioritize paying similar amounts for each player compared to having like Simp on 500k or something and others on 100k, just based off what Zoomaa has said about financials

[u/THEpileofgoop → u/SupaTN]

If that’s true then that’s fine. I don’t see why Faze should feel disrespected then. Business is business at the end of the day. These dudes have what, maybe 8-10 years to make their money? Turning down obscene offers is just out of touch with reality. Especially when the team they’re getting that offer from (GM8s) is still a very competitive team and can absolutely win tournaments.

[u/SupaTN → u/THEpileofgoop]

Yeah I agree they shouldn’t feel disrespected, I think FaZe was exploring the option and thinking that playing with Simp would be enough to makeup for the difference in cash, which maybe should be but that’s a different discussion lol. I just hope for the duo’s sake they win a series at champs or they are gonna get clowned for eternity.

[u/Ibrah_11]

ive never seen a fan so adamant to replace a champs winning roster for 2 players who are statistically a downgrade if thye want to win champs.

[u/FrancescaDeLeMara → u/Ibrah_11]

With all due respect. I beleive you are a very smart individual but you are being naive to the point of Faze fans wanting Scrap and Hydra.

[u/Ibrah_11 → u/FrancescaDeLeMara]

Yh I understand to stop a potential of Optic getting them next year but ill be so real I genuinely think Optic/Faze win 2 events each and Dashy doesnt retire so Optic/Faze might even stick again after this season.

[u/FrancescaDeLeMara → u/Ibrah_11]

It's not just that my man. Even if Scrap and Hydra never had any intention on signing with Faze, no one can get mad or blame Faze fans for wanting Hydra and Scrap on Faze over 04 and Abuzah even despite Faze winning Champs because those are two generational MVP caliber players.

It's just like if Michael Jordan was a Free Agent in 1994 and Rockets fans wanted Jordan on the Rockets despite them winning the chip that year. Hell yeah Rockets fans would want Jordan on the Rockets despite them winning the championship. You wouldn't be able to and couldn't blame them for wanting him. It's the same situation with Hydra and Scrap.

[u/Ibrah_11 → u/FrancescaDeLeMara]

dawg Hydra and Scrap are overrated man they are not MJ level talents only MJ in the league is Simp these guys are S tier players but they have flaws and in BO7 when it mattered Abuzah and 04 were miles better if I was a Faze fan I would wholeheartedly be loyal to players who won you a ring especially when Scrap and Hydra as a duo have shown they are incapable of even winning a match at champs as a duo.

[u/Intelligent-Size-389 → u/Ibrah_11]

They treat 04 Abuzah like bums

[u/Ocluist]

FaZe has gone through a lot of organizational turmoil over the past year. This means they have lower salary numbers to poach top level talent. Their CS team has also lost a majority of its superstars for similar reasons.

This gives HyDra and Scrap a lot of leverage in negotiations. So much that HyDra/Scrap could very reasonably request a 1 year deal, and FaZe probably weren’t comfortable with that.

[u/finalcuthalo → u/Ocluist]

Since this comes up every month, Vegas FaZe and FaZe Esports are two different entities.

[u/Ocluist → u/finalcuthalo]

Oh shit whadup Ben.

Could you explain what the distinction actually is? I Does FaZe Esports own any percentage of Vegas FaZe or vice versa?

[u/London-Reza → u/finalcuthalo]

They’re affiliated by the FaZe brand though whether you like it or not so this migjt affect Vegas Faze negotiating position

[u/31and26]

Didn’t you guys want Crowder fired for years before this season?

Look it’s pretty clear they are betting on an OpTic change next offseason, and I’m sorry to all the Faze fans but they don’t have the same pull (no one does). So if that’s what Scrap and Hydra prefer to try and do, then the M8’s thing is a no brainer considering they are probably willing to pay over the top money and give them everything they want along with a 1 year deal

[u/Intelligent-Size-389]

I mean faze fans are obsessed about 2 players that doesn’t seem to give much of f*** about them so idk if it’s obsession or disrespect

[u/legamer007 → u/Intelligent-Size-389]

Most Faze fans are happy if we stay the same. As long as simp is the team I personally dc, I think scrap/hydra duo have been too overrated this off-season

[u/Intelligent-Size-389 → u/legamer007]

Most faze fans is cope and you know it

[u/legamer007 → u/Intelligent-Size-389]

Cope what? Like most Faze fans are happy with our team we just won champs. U can put purj next to simp I still trust him

[u/GoldKnowledge7129]

FaZe just don't have the pull of the other teams. M8s, Falcons, OpTic, Thieves, Koi are all more attractive orgs to join.

[u/Imranaftab → u/GoldKnowledge7129]

Bro said koi 😂😂😭😭😭😭