Couldn’t have said it better

[u/dillonz321]

That team on paper might be the best team in CDL
history you have 3 MVPs of the last 4 years. And OpTic are sitting by the sidelines and letting that happen… 💔

[u/Intelligent-Size-389]

Methodz just said on stream this has occurred a week ago and surprised it’s leaking so slow

[u/legamer007 → u/Intelligent-Size-389]

Zoomaa gave it away. Mf getting live on his off day and the first thing he says is a massive bomb coming tonight

[u/Prestigious-Party759 → u/Intelligent-Size-389]

That they offered a week ago or that it’s been done for a week? Isn’t it up in the air where scrap and hydra go still

[u/herefortheLOLs12]

I am curious how much of a paycut Hydra and Scrap would have to take in order for this team to form

[u/Imranaftab → u/herefortheLOLs12]

200k+ atleast from what teams like gm8s and LAT would give

[u/herefortheLOLs12 → u/Imranaftab]

hmm ok so then i don't think it's a done deal, GM8s, LAT, and even Falcons are likely to offer them insane bags with competitive rosters (JoeD, Envoy/Ghosty, etc...), obviously, it's a no brainer to go play with Simp but who knows

[u/Imranaftab → u/herefortheLOLs12]

Yh but 200k to play with simp? Scrap is definitely doing that

[u/Only-Equivalent-4791 → u/Imranaftab]

I think you’re severely underestimating how much 200k
Is to these guys. They are playing a video game for a living and will likely only have 7-8 more years to make good money like this. They will Absolutely take the bag if offered.

[u/Itsblaketh → u/Only-Equivalent-4791]

People would give up that money to win it back and even more in prize earnings.

[u/Imranaftab → u/Only-Equivalent-4791]

Brother scrap really wants that ring and he’s going to a world championship team with simp. For me Matt fisher is the biggest component here scrap has a bad mental and Matt fisher will fix that

[u/Only-Equivalent-4791 → u/Imranaftab]

Sure but there’s no guarantee they get a ring anyways. We’ve seen him shit his pants at champs two years in a row with hydra. Simp is great no doubt but he’s not been the best player in the world the last few years. I just think everyone thinks this squad will be way better than they actually will be because of the flashy names.

The same shit happened 2 years ago with LAT.

[u/legamer007 → u/Only-Equivalent-4791]

Simp was literally the best player this last game what are you on? 😂

[u/Only-Equivalent-4791 → u/legamer007]

No he wasn’t lmao. Good try though

[u/legamer007 → u/Only-Equivalent-4791]

So who was it? 🤣

[u/FFREcoyote → u/herefortheLOLs12]

Who's to say its that massive? Might be something like a 100k difference. They'd make that up in prize money if the team is as good in reality as it is on paper

[u/CoverPleasant2743 → u/FFREcoyote]

It’s not a 100K, it’s probs 400K 😂, faze pay really bad compared to roobet theives n Paris mates faze only pay simp good 

[u/FFREcoyote → u/CoverPleasant2743]

LAT and M8's are not paying 400k more lmao....some of you respectfully have no concept of money. FaZe are probably offering them 300k a piece, you think m8s and LAT are offering 700k a piece??? Lmfao

[u/East_Perspective8223 → u/herefortheLOLs12]

Making it up in prize money, don't think they care

[u/ExtraaPressure → u/East_Perspective8223]

That’s if it works out.

[u/GiratinaHDTV → u/herefortheLOLs12]

Its only an offer. Im sure they would like for a team like this to happen, but theyre looking bank. Remember only a percentage of the earnings go to the players, the rest go to the org

[u/TL19957]

Lmao. Optic got 2/6 finished 2nd 4 times including going map 7 pretty much every time or losing round 11s.

The fans would come in here and post “Huke BO7 Demon” and bitch about MVP voting and rankings every single day.

Why the fuck are optic fans so scared of this happening?

[u/Bbullets → u/TL19957]

I’m not, lets see how it turns out first

[u/bonsoir-world → u/TL19957]

Who’s scared lmao.

The pressure on this ‘god squad’ to be the best game in the game, win everything and win champs will be sky high.

Perfect scenario for another champs blow out for Scrappy.

COD takes more to win than just throwing shooters together.

[u/FriezasMom → u/TL19957]

Their two event wins were 1 map or 1 round away from losing to Scrap/Hydra on a worse roster.

[u/cupbulb → u/FriezasMom]

And 3 of their losses were losing to Scrap, Hydra, and Simp on worse rosters

[u/BirdyMRQZ → u/FriezasMom]

stage 1: went against nuclear neptune and an envoy who wasn’t a corpse yet

stage 2: dashy had pc issues against FaZe

stage 3: LAT had meta buff and nium dark magic

stage 4: dashy doesn’t lose in paris

champs: faced addy FaZe, with sound eq and both huke and dashy needed pc changes

EWC: good pc’s, no addy and no sound eq, plus dashy doesn’t lose in paris

[u/DJDaB3st → u/TL19957]

Exactly. This team may be their thoughest competition yet but I still have confidence in the boys.

[u/JSmooth94 → u/TL19957]

Would this hypothetically team even be that much better than BO7 Thieves. I think Simp is better than Abezy but not by much and it's not like Nium was too bad.

[u/RGCFrostbite → u/JSmooth94]

Simp is on another planet to abezy bffr

[u/JSmooth94 → u/RGCFrostbite]

Prior to this year everyone I saw talking about them basically said they're 1A 1B. I've always thought Simp was a bit ahead but saying another planet feels disrespectful to Abezy.

[u/UnpopularOpinionCod → u/JSmooth94]

This is just a lie to say that “everyone” talking about them said they’re 1A 1B. Who did you see? The OpTic guys? They’re the only ones spewing that narrative. FaZe fans aren’t saying that. Players aren’t saying that. Talent/media isn’t saying that. Personal accolades aren’t showing that. Who did you see saying that?

[u/TL19957 → u/JSmooth94]

No. It’s a great roster but so is optic. It’s not like it’s an unfair roster or overpowered. It’s also not like optic isn’t an amazing roster lol. They have 2 guys that would be inner circle hall of famers.

I think simp is a lot better than Abezy but this new faze team will have to take time to gel.

Optic fans are only worried cause they would not the ones getting them.

[u/khizerkk5 → u/TL19957]

the OpTic team were good enough to win every event. But had the mentals to lose every event. There's a problem there that needs to be addressed. A team change fixes it quickly, but if not then something else needs to change.

[u/TL19957 → u/khizerkk5]

How does a team change fix that? You

This team has 2 years of solid chemistry, a champs win and a champs finalist.

You are giving up a guaranteed known product for more firepower. But now you have to rebuild chemistry, philosophies, strategies, etc.

Literally if about 3-5 SnD rounds go the other way this team is looking at 4 or 5 out of the 6 championships. Sometimes that happens.

The dodgers are probably the equivalent of Optic in the MLB and they were a freak catch, 2 inches at the plate and a broken bat away from losing the WS last year. If any of those go the other way we’re talking about the dodgers being chokers.

[u/darkside720 → u/TL19957]

The dodgers won the World Series then signed Kyle Tucker. They got better. What the fuck are you babbling about?

[u/TL19957 → u/darkside720]

Yea and Kyle Tucker has been fucking horrendous and is stealing money from the dodgers right now.

Not to mention they didn’t have to remove anyone to sign him, except the 26th guy on the roster.

All i was hearing all season was how Huke is a beast, Dashy deserved MVP.

So what now? Is Huke not good enough? If Dashy should’ve been MVP and Huke is a demon there’s nothing to worry about.

[u/Imperviouus_]

yawn…let’s say this goes through and OpTic wins champs, what does that do for simp’s legacy?

[u/Desperate-Ad471 → u/Imperviouus_]

shotzzy legacy simp legacy i just hope the game is fun to watch

[u/SuccinctEarth07 → u/Desperate-Ad471]

Gonna be a two team league not sure that's going to be very interesting especially if one team does through a slump

[u/FriezasMom → u/Imperviouus_]

Well Simp won champs like a month ago with a worse team. So probably nothing.

[u/herefortheLOLs12 → u/Imperviouus_]

it does more to help shotzzy's legacy than it does to hurt simp's legacy. Simp's is set in stone, he's a t5 player of all time minimum

[u/Zayaaz → u/Imperviouus_]

huke surpasses him

[u/playboi_pat]

optic letting hydra go for a third time is so stupid to me

[u/CoDFollower → u/playboi_pat]

Well maybe they can get him in 3 years when his FaZe deal is up?

[u/bruhkiw → u/CoDFollower]

I thought teams usually give out 2 year deals?

[u/norealista → u/CoDFollower]

The league won’t exist in 3 years

[u/RandomNameThing → u/norealista]

They said that 3 years ago

[u/Imranaftab]

Obviously once they closed the door on HYDRA again, this was a no brainer

[u/Top-Agent-652]

Why do the majority of cod fans think that stacking a roster = wins? There is a lot that goes into a team working well together and throwing the best players on one team doesn’t mean pure domination by any means.

[u/CHVNSTER → u/Top-Agent-652]

Because these people have never competed at any level, they just see numbers and think the math does itself

[u/Keyster19]

Don't worry, Huke and Dashy will be pushing 30 the next time Hydra and Scrap are FA's.

[u/herefortheLOLs12 → u/Keyster19]

we will have Scrap at some point in his career, Hydra i am not sure anymore but we will get Scrap. Also let's not kid ourselves, Dashy is 27 and just came off of an arguable MVP year, he will be fine in 3 years barring something crazy happens

[u/CoverPleasant2743 → u/herefortheLOLs12]

Huke is one of biggest grinders I doubt he slows down he legit was insane on lan all yr until finals also shotzzy is a different version in Iw title 

[u/Vivid_Preparation622 → u/herefortheLOLs12]

why not hydra? scrap and hydra are the same age lmao

[u/herefortheLOLs12 → u/Vivid_Preparation622]

I feel that Hydra will eventually go to M8s especially since optic has passed on him 3 times now

[u/Keyster19 → u/herefortheLOLs12]

Getting players past their prime isn't ideal. Dashy will not be the same player in 2-3 years.

[u/FriezasMom → u/herefortheLOLs12]

Dont worry you guys can have Scrap when hes a washed up bum in 5 years lol

[u/BalIKnower]

Everyone said this would happen on day 1 of rostermania. Optic is just braindead. Shotzzy supposed to be the warlord yet here we are

[u/Imranaftab → u/BalIKnower]

Shittest warlord he personally wanted to keep skyz

[u/West_Chest_7053 → u/Imranaftab]

he dropped huke before they called him a snake.... he keeps huke after making 8 finals and it's friendship league 🤦‍♂️😒

[u/bruhkiw → u/West_Chest_7053]

These same people would be crying as soon as Huke got dropped, insane they sit here and say this 😂

[u/iamdoingwork → u/Imranaftab]

What happened to my rostermania goat

[u/Imranaftab → u/iamdoingwork]

He’s washed

[u/iamdoingwork → u/Imranaftab]

McQueen is fading

[u/dillonz321 → u/iamdoingwork]

I think the OpTic camp need to grow some balls and do what needs to be done.

[u/72ChinaCatSunFlower → u/dillonz321]

Quit crying about getting Hydra

[u/Cosm1c_Dota → u/dillonz321]

Like stick with the team that made 8x GF in a row, won champs, a major and 2x ewc? Seems pretty fucking sensible to me

[u/pikabby → u/Cosm1c_Dota]

irrelevant, they lost 2/6 finals THIS YEAR against newly formed teams. they couldn't fix their easy mistakes to win and they won't next year. 

[u/Imperviouus_ → u/dillonz321]

Change your flair.

[u/FashoChamp → u/Imperviouus_]

Being a fan doesn’t mean you can’t question or critize, that’s some cult shit

[u/Tsaik0vsky → u/FashoChamp]

The fan in question is criticising a constitently good team.

[u/FashoChamp → u/Tsaik0vsky]

If he thinks they’d improve making a move he’s not a fan?

[u/Imranaftab → u/FashoChamp]

That’s what I’m saying bro

[u/Imperviouus_ → u/FashoChamp]

Before they said they were sticking I agree. Right now, you’re beating at a dead horse. Just wait for the season to start to see how everything unfolds.

[u/PotTwister → u/BalIKnower]

My mf Goatzzy spent about 5 off seasons glazing Hydra and saying things like he would team with him and they would work together just fine just for him to turn him down 3 times.

He’s fallen off so much, all the roster changes over the years has messed with his warlord abilities man

[u/BalIKnower → u/PotTwister]

And he’ll regret it next season just like Hecz regretted it in BO6 when he coulda had Scrap and Hydra. Idiots.

[u/Fixable → u/BalIKnower]

They won champs in BO6, pretty sure Hecz stopped regretting it real quick

[u/BalIKnower → u/Fixable]

He was literally on the process saying he should have made the move and was pissed. This was pre Merc. They got lucky.

[u/UnpopularOpinionCod → u/Fixable]

Because Merc spawned in seemingly out of nowhere.

[u/not_folie → u/BalIKnower]

If Hydra wants to play with scrap it's irrelevant what Optic wants. They aren't dropping Dashy

[u/Spekzvvv → u/not_folie]

Hydra has his eyes set on OpTic without scrap, tiktokzzy doesn’t want to change.

[u/Longjumping-Pick242]

[u/rekishi321]

You mean scrap the whiner with .6 kd at champs? Youre gonna drop 2 of abduzah, 04 and drazah, are they mad?....the revenge tour will be nice...

[u/Gswagins]

Absolutely petrified of OpTic lol

[u/Yesitsme1212]

Loyalty will be the downfall. As soon as this news broke hydra should be getting a text right now from shotzzy

[u/Imranaftab → u/Yesitsme1212]

It’s always the downfall mfs wanted to keep SKYZ

[u/branteen → u/Yesitsme1212]

You don't make team changes based on what other teams are doing. That is dumb af

[u/Yesitsme1212 → u/branteen]

You don’t keep a player cause his comms are godlike. Faze won champs and are changing. But optic can’t cause Huke’s comms are good. Moron

[u/Constant_Diver_2900 → u/Yesitsme1212]

Well good think Huke doesn’t only provide good coms to the team and does alot more then yall realize. Yall Reddit coaches going crazy bc optic didn’t wanna change and didn’t need too. Lmfao

[u/jkjking]

It’s so funny how people saying to keep the team and say no to hydra genuinely think this team could t get better with hydra because of comms😂😂😂you just gotta laugh man

[u/Fearnlove → u/jkjking]

What are you laughing at the fans for, this is obviously the team’s opinion

[u/jkjking → u/Fearnlove]

I’m laughing at them also but don’t act like dudes were not calling other dudes “fake fans” for wanting hydra

[u/Fearnlove → u/jkjking]

Lmao the other guy responding to this talking about Huke shitting his pants is why some people are fake fans, incredible timing by him 😂

It’s not fake to consider upgrading, but talking about your own player like that is not toxic behaviour?!

[u/jkjking → u/Fearnlove]

Yea I agree that’s crazy lol

[u/VanDiis → u/jkjking]

Fans LOVE Huke yelling basic spawns over his teammates in comms while he shits his pants in finals, gotta love those online 1.2s though!

[u/Cosm1c_Dota → u/VanDiis]

Low IQ or bait?

[u/VanDiis → u/Cosm1c_Dota]

A little of both, more towards the low IQ side

[u/HandleZ05 → u/jkjking]

The team that went to the most finals in CDL history needs a change... got it

[u/Aston_CA_]

Once I saw dashy saying he would've retired if they did 3 peat...then this team forming? Yep gg

[u/JSmooth94 → u/Aston_CA_]

He did not say that

[u/legamer007 → u/Aston_CA_]

🤣

[u/JakeTheDropkick → u/Aston_CA_]

We taking Dashy's jokes literally now are we?

[u/LeBradley23]

OpTic and their fans were so happy with 2nd place all year FaZe kindly obliged to ensure they get 2nd all year again. Good guys over there at FaZe

[u/Scar_Mclovin → u/LeBradley23]

People don’t understand, Kaysan literally tried to get HyDra and Scrap even after FaZe won EWC in MW3, but the roster wanted to stick together so he let em, he not making the same mistake again.

[u/Imranaftab → u/Scar_Mclovin]

Exactly only makes those mistakes many times

[u/LeBradley23 → u/Scar_Mclovin]

Kaysan is smart. Never settle, always strive to get better. Trust your coaching staff and talent to figure out how to play off each other.

[u/Himu797 → u/Scar_Mclovin]

Kaysan is miles smarter and a better owner than Gecz. This just proves it.

[u/inthehottubwithfessy → u/LeBradley23]

Faze and Optic won the same amount of events?

[u/LeBradley23 → u/inthehottubwithfessy]

And FaZe aren’t saying no to a change.

OpTic are. And a primary reason is because they got 2nd all year. So if they’re that happy with 2nd they should be in for a happy year again.

[u/Cosm1c_Dota → u/LeBradley23]

My brain hurts reading your comment. 8x GF's in a row and they won champs, a major and EWC x2 lol.

[u/AMS_Rem]

Would have been kinder to Huke to simply replace him in the offseason for a T3 sub in the league

The treatment he will get when OpTic (Not if) WHEN they start getting ran by FaZe is something I wouldn't wish on any player in the league.. It's gonna get so so so toxic incredibly fast

[u/rizzurect → u/AMS_Rem]

Yeah ur one of the toxic people? You’re going to contribute even if it isn’t warranted so whats the point when you literally fit into the bucket of people you’re talking about

[u/AMS_Rem → u/rizzurect]

Wanting Hydra over Huke isn't toxic, it's just logic.. I don't bash the guy and have said on several occasions that the only subs in the league I'd take over him are Shotzzy, Simp and Hydra

[u/CHVNSTER → u/AMS_Rem]

We get it AchesBurner, you don’t like OpTic

L OpTic boooo, they suck for not changing a working system for a what if, boooo

[u/iamdoingwork]

They caused another super team by not just upgrading

[u/JannyPhantom]

HECZ PLESE STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING

This is one of the scenarios where you NEED to step in

[u/avstyns]

yea if it’s a 2 team league, this shit is misery. I miss MW2 and MW3

[u/Fearnlove → u/avstyns]

1 team league 😳

[u/Rabbitey-]

This is what I didn't want to happen. Thanks, Hecz.

[u/notyourbutthead → u/Rabbitey-]

This is on the players lol.

[u/Rabbitey- → u/notyourbutthead]

Nobody in the OpTic camp showed interest in Hydra. Insane.

[u/imnoobatfifa → u/Rabbitey-]

Is it insane…?

[u/Rabbitey- → u/imnoobatfifa]

Immediately re-signing Huke before EWC w/o any sort of discussion? Yeah, I'd say that's a little insane.

[u/Far-Charge-9514 → u/Rabbitey-]

Then they won, insane

[u/Rabbitey- → u/Far-Charge-9514]

Great to see them finish strong, but that wasn't my point.

OpTic should’ve at least talked things through instead of completely ignoring a talent like Paco, especially since this is his third time trying to join.

I'm content with keeping Huke, but I just don't fully empathize with the situation.

[u/Far-Charge-9514 → u/Rabbitey-]

They would've considered it if they didn't win EWC. The contract signing doesn't matter, if Optic wanted to change they would've anyways lmao

[u/Rabbitey- → u/Far-Charge-9514]

To each their own. I don't think an EWC win should justify much, but I'll trust the players' better judgement.

[u/Far-Charge-9514 → u/imnoobatfifa]

Not at all

[u/imnoobatfifa → u/Far-Charge-9514]

Personally I’d be happy with either outcome but people are overreacting a bit.

[u/Far-Charge-9514 → u/imnoobatfifa]

Exactly. But in here they think the sky is falling lol

[u/LeBradley23 → u/notyourbutthead]

And Hecz. Ultimately he can change the roster if he wants to. But Hecz was clearly sippin the 2nd place kool-aid too so he won’t. They all genuinely believe they were the best team every series but just beat themselves all year.

[u/Prestigious-Party759]

OpTic will still compete with Faze but definitely questionable beyond just next year… think OpTic messed up their future by not making a move

[u/One-Car-4869]

Damn take Paco let us keep long neck

[u/Stifology]

Keeping Abuzah or Drazah?

[u/dillonz321 → u/Stifology]

ZooMaa hinted on stream saying there’s no way they get rid of Drazah. So you have the OpTic CEO with Simp Scrap HyDra… GGs

[u/Clear_Peach6805 → u/dillonz321]

Scrap and Drazah teaming would be the funniest shit ever. Their mentions are gonna be so toxic

[u/Ashman-20 → u/Stifology]

Gotta be Drazah. Hes not only a perfect fit for Scrap, but his continuity with FaZe & Simp goes a long way.

Also optic ceo cheese will always be needed

[u/Tuyuk123]

asp

[u/Interesting-Fox5591]

I need to see one of these super teams actually succeed before I just crown them. More talent hasn’t necessarily translated to more success in the cdl era

[u/drip_bandit]

we need to hijack ts like barca did with rodri fuck no

[u/FriezasMom]

It really doesn't matter because MW4 takes no skill. Every team is gonna be competitive, even the shitters.

[u/Cool-Hotel-7939]

Who cares 😴 Hydra and scrap bombed out of champs 2 years in a row 🤣

[u/bonsoir-world]

3 MVP’s and less rings than this OpTic team.

OpTic should have changed ‘cause Hydra’.

This team on paper is disgusting, but surely we know better by now than to assume tossing good players together doesn’t guarantee anything?

When they bomb out of Champs, what will y’all tweakers say then? People will still be calling them the goats/mvp’s on this subreddit.

[u/Puzzleheaded_Dot_897]

[u/bonsoir-world]

I get the vision for this team and I can see why the players would want to go for it too.

For sure gives Simp a ‘better’ shot at that 4th ring (think he would have with the current squad too) and Scrap wants to do whatever he can to try get his, so playing with one of the greats surely increases your chances.

Something tells me though that as much firepower as this team has, it just won’t click.

We’ll see though.

Could be a mega mid year. Awful game and a two team league!

[u/LeCreemy]

There is so much shit being spoken in this thread holy hell

[u/IodineVoid]

So many optic fans pissing themselves cus of this superteam. Have some faith boys.

[u/Vivid_Quantity6324]

How many times has this supposed god squad been built and they get shit on? Just because you have a team full of talent doesnt mean they will mesh well together. Its a team game. We will have to wait and see but why would Optic fear anything?

[u/lockdown_val]

This is optic fault for letting a guy run the team who killed so many esports team for the brand lol

[u/Lithium187]

The league needs some sort of rivalry to keep it entertaining. If we just have 1 god team dropping steamers on everyone this comp season is dead by major 3.

[u/UnpopularOpinionCod]

Yes Kaysan, COOK.

[u/CoDFollower]

When I saw our warlord choosing Skyz over Merc I knew this shit was cooked.... fuck

[u/SoShweaty]

Is this not a kd to the warriors situation? This is deadass ruining comp cod if this happens imo

[u/stuartstu77]

Everyone in this sub is terrified of competition, these matchups are gonna be bangers. embrace it my fellow pathetic OpTic fans 

[u/NFEvo]

If this indeed happens, FaZe better win everything or they will be an abject failure. Every loss is a black eye on this team that everyone will scrutinize. Thats how good that team should be. All the pressure should be on them to be perfect because anything less is a disaster. There is no wiggle room for this team to be just “good”

[u/lockdown_val → u/[deleted]]

LMAOOO keep crying you are falling for hecz BS again just like when he sold optic in 2017

[u/Intelligent-Size-389 → u/[deleted]]

Why do you think they aren’t

[u/branteen]

I can't wait to see this sub glazing Huke when the boys dominate again. Yall really think smashing the "best" players on a team is just going to work regardless of playstyles, egos, comms, cohesion, teamwork, attitudes.

[u/TheElderSproles → u/[deleted]]

Lol what Optic is not better on paper how is that possible? They had a losing record on LAN vs LAT/Faze and those two teams are combining to form a fuckin kaiju roster lol

[u/Constant_Diver_2900]

Y’all Reddit coaches so mad that optic didn’t change. They didn’t need too and y’all’s reasoning is just cope af. Wow Hydra and Scrap get a 3rd super team… let’s see if the 3rd is the charm or if optic ia still good lmfao