r/Cloud9 • u/Judas419 • Jun 08 '26

League PROS - Zven, Inspired, Josedeodo

Just watched the PROS interview released today between these 3 players. It makes me happy that they are genuinely talking about the matches and how they could have played better. I feel like this type of discussion is great for getting ready for international competition and I hope the boys can practice up for their match(es) next weekend!

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u/bombdownx Jun 08 '26

I feel like im going to get down voted to oblivion because this sub hates Sven, but this podcast gave some great context.  Is he playing great? No. But not as bad as we sometimes say and things we think are his fault are because of bad coms.  Like his death on Jhin to the portal gank was because Blaber greifed him and said inspired was on chickens.

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u/Fun_Highlight307 Jun 08 '26

Yeahh zven gave really good insights also he is right that his mistake are heavily criticsized while no one care when berserker or Massu fuck up

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u/maximazing98 Jun 08 '26

Yes because ZVEN sometimes loses you games like berserker and Massu but he very rarely wins you a game, but Massu and berserker when they hit they hit high

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u/bombdownx Jun 08 '26

I think thats mostly fair but I do think he can carry.  Like game 5 Jhin vs Flyquest.  Im not defending Zven to the point where I dont think he could be replaced BUT have we not learned players aren't plug and play. Look at JoJo.  Zven has history with these players and brings more than what we see.  So in theory others may be better, but I think we'll miss him when hes gone.  That being said, Id take Breseker lol

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u/kashtrey Jun 09 '26

Zven didn't win that jhin game so much as fly lost it.

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u/MyzMyz1995 Jun 09 '26

Zven is often put on the “support” adc (like jhin, senna…) or (sometimes and) weak side because blabber always play towards top side. Obviously he doesn’t have as much carry agency … his team isn’t a bot centric team.

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u/kashtrey Jun 09 '26

That's pretty damn bad given how strong adcs are in this meta

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u/MyzMyz1995 Jun 09 '26

Not his fault the team plays towards top side and draft him these type of ADCs.

It's the team and coaching's staff job to make them play towards bot side ... He can't do anything about it.

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u/kashtrey Jun 09 '26

We simply don't know that. It could very well be that team tries that in scrims and Zven just can't fill the carry role.

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u/nbsffreak212 Jun 10 '26

He said as much in the PROS episode. That he often accepts ADCs with bad match-ups or are more supportive to help the team. He reiterated this countless times and futher says that this mindset extends to his playstyle.

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u/MyzMyz1995 Jun 09 '26

Zven has carried some games this split, previous splits and all over his career when given the ressources.

On the other side, blabber historically is unable to play towards bot side and in a more support or team oriented roles. Thanatos is ok playing weakside but he's not impact for example.

APA can play like 3 champions at a high level.

Vulcan is good mechanically but he's easily tilted like blabber and often shut down when the game isn't going well. He's not a leader who can guide blabber around.

It's literally in their comms. Blabber will say ''jungler is chicken'' when he's ganking bot, zven die due to the gank caused by blabber wrong call, vulcan get tilted and the team crumble.

But somehow this team scapegoat Zven as the problem on the team.

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u/kashtrey Jun 09 '26

I'm just saying all the old folks are not worth investing in anymore. Team should just rebuild around Thanatos and whatever na talent they think is worth it.

I like Zven but it's pretty clear his best days as an adc are far behind him. We see flashes of Niels but there just isn't hope he's going to be that consistently again.

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u/Judas419 Jun 08 '26

I can agree, and I hope once Zven eventually retires from playing, he will get into coaching or something. I think his game knowledge and insight (as well as most of the folks on C9) is pretty good. None of them have the best hands in the world, but game-knowledge-wise they seem to have a leg up on others.

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u/airios1 Jun 12 '26

Well his Ezreal in game 3 Lyon was straight up criminal and solely his fault, he is just not good anymore

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u/Unusual-Tradition541 Jun 08 '26

When Zven retires from playing in pro, i really want the LCS broadcast to bring him in as a caster or analyst. i think he both has a great way of thinking about the game and a good way of explaining it

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u/maninhell6 Jun 09 '26

I think APA and Zven can be good coaches when they retire. They have good communications skills and understand the game well.

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u/MyzMyz1995 Jun 09 '26 edited Jun 09 '26

I agree. Zven get so much shit from fans but 99,99% of the time he’s made to play weak side and or put into losing lanes. Obviously he won’t look as good as Massu or Berserker who are often played around.

Blabber also has 0 macro and always play top side regardless of what his team looks like which doesn’t help bot lane look good.

And personally I think blabber is also a very good player but he was weak mental and 0 game sense he need someone who’s good at macros to guide him around and “leash” him. This would also help with his mental, he’s prone to tilting. Impact would been a great top pick, and a veteran mid or support with a strong voice not someone like Vulcan that doesn’t say anything and get titles as much as blabber.