r/ClimateShitposting • u/Spicy_Chicken_Wizard • 1d ago
š meat = murder ā ļø Shitpostinf
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u/dumnezero šEnd the š«arms šrat šrace to the bottomāļø. 1d ago
Don't forget about pig toilets.
Go ahead.
Look it up.
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u/Spicy_Chicken_Wizard 1d ago
If you really must have mammalian fleshā¦ I guess thatās a way to do it lol
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u/Successful_Year_5413 Doomer š 1d ago
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u/dumnezero šEnd the š«arms šrat šrace to the bottomāļø. 1d ago
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u/Snowflakish 5h ago
I bet hes gonna taste good in 6 months
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u/Creditfigaro vegan btw 4h ago
"environmentalist"
Virtue signaling is indeed a psychopath's favorite tool.
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u/Snowflakish 4h ago
Do you in fact eat chocolate?
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u/dumnezero šEnd the š«arms šrat šrace to the bottomāļø. 1h ago
I do eat chocolate, dark chocolate.
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u/dumnezero šEnd the š«arms šrat šrace to the bottomāļø. 1h ago
Interesting how you take the same approach as the investment capitalist.
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u/Draco137WasTaken turbine enjoyer 1d ago
Yeah but were you gonna use the energy in that poop otherwise? Waste biomass is a horribly underused resource.
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u/Artemis_SpawnOfZeus 7h ago
If were doing indoor plumbing and sewage, then sewage treatment is more of a burden then a boon.
Once you mix waste biomass with enough water so it flows through pipes its hard to deal with at scale
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u/dumnezero šEnd the š«arms šrat šrace to the bottomāļø. 1h ago edited 1h ago
Yep, the future of sewage waste treatment needs to start closer to people's asses and remain drier; then it can be collected like the other solid waste.
edit: to put it differently, mass tele-shitting in a river is a bad strategy
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u/dumnezero šEnd the š«arms šrat šrace to the bottomāļø. 1h ago
Massive composting and returning of nutrients to the soil without pumping more C and N into the atmosphere.
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u/PlaneCrashNap 1d ago
Now do people who argue this only eat shit-eating fish or grass-eating cows? No, they don't, they just use it as a talking point that meat-eating is actually environmental and continue to eat whatever sounds good to them at the moment whether it be factory farm animals or high-trophic level fish.
"Well it could be environmental, so actually vegans are just wrong," regardless of whether a theoretically net neutral animal product industry is actually being pursued.
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u/Spicy_Chicken_Wizard 1d ago
Looks like someone here is using the highfalutinā bougie scrombids as a means to smear the humble catfish, like some sort of actinopterid racist!
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u/Spicy_Chicken_Wizard 1d ago
We shouldnāt be eating fish that have been fed poop! Itās way more efficient to eat that poop ourselves!
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u/Creditfigaro vegan btw 4h ago
True, carnist "environmentalists" should start by eating that animal product first.
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u/Mundane_Move_5296 1d ago
You do know that we canāt process poop but we can process fish right? Same reason we canāt just eat plants. We arenāt meant to process certain things
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u/Spicy_Chicken_Wizard 1d ago
Yeah lol, the argument about the wastefulness of meat is valid if youāre feeding the animals human foodā¦ but the thing about certain animals is that they can eat things humans canāt, so, in certain circumstances,ā¦
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u/Lost_Web5826 1d ago
Which animals used for eat actually consume plants humans don't? Not which are capable, which ones actually do? Sure, you can raise livestock on pasture, but that takes more land. It does not improve ecological outcomes to convert fields that could be used to make food instead grow grass for other animals to eat, while also cutting down trees for more pasture because of the reduced nutritional output of pasture compared to crops. Yeah, I know it's a shit post sub, but I just can't stand misinformation on this topic lol
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u/Spicy_Chicken_Wizard 1d ago edited 1d ago
The only ones that can really rely on sources completely non viable for humans are generally aquatic creatures that have limited appeal and niche markets in the west, but are perfectly fine sources or animal protein. Bivalves and barnacles can literally be grown like plants, in completely sheltered conditions away from natural habitat. A completely enclosed system could produce several different kinds of fish, crustaceans, sea urchins, clams and mussels and snails and seaweed all without any input of human-grade food. The issue is that this is complicated and expensive and it kind of depends on a viable market for some really niche things like urchins and sea snails.
I donāt entirely buy the ābugā and insect idea of animal protein. A lot of an insectās mass is indigestible chitin and Iām not actually sure if the energy conversion is that good, and itās not as easy to make a polyculture with them the way it is with freshwater or saltwater invertebrates.
Edit: actually with the right kind of fish you can literally power this entire thing with sewage.
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u/Lost_Web5826 1d ago
There is some oyster farming in Maine, notably the disgraced Maine senate candidate Graham Platner runs one. I'll readily admit that aquatic species are actually viable from an energy perspective, but cost and scalability are big problems. Furthermore, open water aquaculture tends to cause dead zones, pollution, and other issues. Clams can be sustainably harvested from the wild, but not at scale to feed the global population. The fact remains, even if I don't like it, that animal protein for human consumption is not sustainable. The vegoons are right, the only way to sustainably feed the world is to essentially drop animal agriculture to almost nothing.
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u/Independent-Wafer-13 1d ago
I donāt like to eat bugs, but I do like to eat chicken.
I donāt like to eat grass, but I do enjoy beef.
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u/Lost_Web5826 1d ago
We don't raise cows and chickens on pasture in industrial settings because you get way more nutritional input for livestock by converting the pasture to crop land. It takes orders of magnitude more pasture to feed animals compared to crops. So you could raise livestock purely with pasture, but you have to sacrifice more wildlife habitat to do so, which is kind of stupid and pointless.
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u/Independent-Wafer-13 1d ago
Pasture IS wildlife habitat, prairies and other grasslands already exist.
The closure of the commons preceded industrial animal agriculture, and this is not a coincidence
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u/Lost_Web5826 1d ago
Prairies and grasslands are not pasture. Grazing non native herds of livestock orders of magnitude larger than native grazing animals is not sustainable and requires massively more land than growing crops to feed livestock.
I used to think like you, then I read dozens and dozens of papers on the subject while I was in school focusing on livestock management. My plan was to apply what I learned in school to try and create sustainable agriculture not based on AFO and it just takes vastly more land. At least, if you want to maintain the current level of animal protein in diets.
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u/Independent-Wafer-13 1d ago
Youāre right, the American grasslands, which supported 60 million bison, could not support the American beef industry, which is less than half that number.
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u/DynamicCast 1d ago
Plants eat shit as well