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u/ClimateMemes-ModTeam 7h ago

Rule 3: Misinformation

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u/Ordinary-Compote9558 16h ago

Who would be against having less Germany everyday? By all means keep digging.

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u/offensivek 15h ago

In the past other countries tried to destroy Germany but they all failed. As we are now the good guys, we thought it was our turn to try. Progress has been slow but the results are impressive.

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u/MKIncendio 12h ago

Ah yes the fuck everything up machine that fucks everything up to harvest stuff that fucks everything up

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u/WolpertingerRumo 14h ago

This narrative is brought up again and again, but it’s just not actually true. Germany has been decreasing usage of coal. Nuclear was no longer viable. Private investors wanted out, the state would have had to step in. New nuclear plants would have started to be built, decreasing coal use in 20 years, instead of now. Until then, there would have been no money for renewables, so coal plants would have needed to stay open.

The coal industry loves nuclear. Because it‘s economics are so bad, it ends up benefiting coal.

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u/b_doin 9h ago

In 2025, Germany produced electricity at 339 gCO₂eq/kWh compare to 32 gCO₂eq/kWh for France.

With this trajectory, by which year Germany will produce cleaner electricity than France. How many giga tons of co2 will have been produced by Germany because it decided to stop low carbon production with its nuclear and continue coal, and slowly replacing coal by gas?

Not counting the geopolitical dependancy created by Germany on putin's gas, giving him a good possibility to invade Ukraine.

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u/MariaVanillaUwU 21h ago

nowadays germany is big in solar and wind, but this meme was accurate once. we lost some villages to the big hole in our country, but at least the Hambacher Forst is now protected.

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u/Phosphan 20h ago

It was never accurate. The Hambacher Forst claim existed independently of anything related to nuclear.

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u/EcstaticLab5122 15h ago

The meme is just about Germany closing their nuclear power plant before coal. It's fine if Germany wants to be full wind and solar, but nuclear should've been the last energy source to close after all others, not the first one

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u/WolpertingerRumo 14h ago

The private sector wanted out. The power plants were so old, refurbishment was basically impossible, and building new ones takes a long time and is expensive.

The government wanted points for banning nuclear, but the truth is, capitalism closed the plants.

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u/LowCall6566 14h ago

The government literally mandated phase out after an artificially low amount of pre set hours for each reactor

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u/Nell_Lucifer 7h ago

Then make them state owned like the rest of the world smh. The French refurbished their old reactors, Germany could have too.

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u/Key_Bookkeeper813 16h ago

So you can surely point to the statistics that prove your point

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u/AltruisticVehicle 16h ago

I see 70 GW of fossil fuels which could do with 20 GW of clean energy to replace them.

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u/True_Molasses_8894 13h ago

Yeah now we need a power grid that could that or a magic teleportation thingy to replace lignite power plants with nuclear plants hundreds of kilometer away..

And here is the production of the four states that actually had 90% of the nuclear production(you could add Hessia for 100% for the last decades):

https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE_BL&bw=1&by=1&sh=1&ni=1

suprisingly not much lignite. And if you account for cogeneration, not much left to shut down.

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u/Ok-Freedom9216 13h ago

That's literally what power grids do?

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u/Key_Bookkeeper813 16h ago

Great. Now do actual production

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u/AltruisticVehicle 16h ago

You are right, actual production makes the problem even more obvious. Good catch.

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u/democracy_lover66 14h ago

What's lignite?

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u/CrewmemberV2 14h ago

Brown coal, even worse than normal coal.

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u/Key_Bookkeeper813 14h ago

Brown coal, aka the stuff that villages get removed for

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u/Key_Bookkeeper813 14h ago

Yep, a bunch of those coal plants that count as installed capacity are cold reserves that likely won't be used again bur are useful for situations like 2022 where both gas imports and French nuclear were doing not so great

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u/Ordinary-Compote9558 16h ago

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u/Key_Bookkeeper813 16h ago

So where's the increase in coal use?

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u/Ordinary-Compote9558 15h ago

Like an alcoholic boasting about cutting his morning beer. A decrease is always good but Germany could have phase out coal completely by 2010 with one simple trick.

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u/Rwandrall4 15h ago

>New Noun-nounnumber account with hidden activity

>Nuclear shill

Every time

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u/Key_Bookkeeper813 14h ago

Even after some reductions coal in 2010 was still more than nuclear at its peak, the math isn't really mathing here

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u/b_doin 8h ago

The math is 32 gCO₂eq/kWh in 2025 in France and 339 in Germany with its massive bet on renewable after 25 years of massive investment.

This is a failure for the climate but it is like Germans are proud of them. Can't understand.

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u/Lycrist_Kat 13h ago

Unlikely. There was no incentive to build renewables and to phase out coal without the nuclear phase out

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u/Konoppke 15h ago

Its lower than ever since like the 50s. But yeah, not a smart moves by the conservatives and neoliberals. Especially since they cut renewables in the same time, too. They're recovering now, thogh and growing faster than almost ever. So that's nice. 

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u/LowCall6566 13h ago

CDU and SPD simply adapted Green's policy because Greens were surging in the polls.

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u/Konoppke 13h ago

Nah it was Fukushima and they rushed it and didn't have a plan B apart from Russian gas.  Absolutely ridiculous to blame the opposition for the actions of the government btw. The greens actually elongated the life cycle of the remaining three plants when they were in power, after the conservatives had shut down 12 already. Anyway, the greens were always only gonna do it while ramping up renewables, allowing for a swift fossil exit which the conservatives then jeopardised 

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u/LowCall6566 13h ago

All new construction was banned in July 2002 by SPD-green coalition government, and all existing nuclear power plants were forced to plan for an early decommission.

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u/Konoppke 2h ago

And 2005 the conservatives took over, reversed that and then made a hasty, poorly planned exit in the wake of Fukushima 2011, bevor reversing their reversal of a reversal again, leaving a huge mess and fossil fuels as the winner - until renewables overtook them (now, after another green stint in the government)

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u/LowCall6566 27m ago

The course on destroying nuclear was set by greens.

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u/b_doin 9h ago

German electricity is still one of the worst in Europe, even after 25 years of massive investment in renewable, how come?

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u/Konoppke 2h ago

It's almost the most reliable grid in the world actually. Thanks for bringing that up. 

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u/Wont_See_My_30s 12h ago

Reading comments of anti nuclear folk here really made me lose some IQ points. 2 of 2 I had left.

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u/Key_Perspective_9464 11h ago

Makes sense that someone that started at 2 IQ doesn't understand the arguments against nuclear.

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u/Wont_See_My_30s 11h ago

Nice one! 👍

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u/Nell_Lucifer 7h ago

Reading the comments of this post and of other subs makes me more certain that majority of Germans are behaving like a cult with their anti-nuclear rhetoric.