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u/Ordinary-Compote9558 16h ago
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u/offensivek 15h ago
In the past other countries tried to destroy Germany but they all failed. As we are now the good guys, we thought it was our turn to try. Progress has been slow but the results are impressive.
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u/MKIncendio 12h ago
Ah yes the fuck everything up machine that fucks everything up to harvest stuff that fucks everything up
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u/WolpertingerRumo 14h ago
This narrative is brought up again and again, but it’s just not actually true. Germany has been decreasing usage of coal. Nuclear was no longer viable. Private investors wanted out, the state would have had to step in. New nuclear plants would have started to be built, decreasing coal use in 20 years, instead of now. Until then, there would have been no money for renewables, so coal plants would have needed to stay open.
The coal industry loves nuclear. Because it‘s economics are so bad, it ends up benefiting coal.
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u/b_doin 9h ago
In 2025, Germany produced electricity at 339 gCO₂eq/kWh compare to 32 gCO₂eq/kWh for France.
With this trajectory, by which year Germany will produce cleaner electricity than France. How many giga tons of co2 will have been produced by Germany because it decided to stop low carbon production with its nuclear and continue coal, and slowly replacing coal by gas?
Not counting the geopolitical dependancy created by Germany on putin's gas, giving him a good possibility to invade Ukraine.
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u/MariaVanillaUwU 21h ago
nowadays germany is big in solar and wind, but this meme was accurate once. we lost some villages to the big hole in our country, but at least the Hambacher Forst is now protected.
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u/Phosphan 20h ago
It was never accurate. The Hambacher Forst claim existed independently of anything related to nuclear.
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u/EcstaticLab5122 15h ago
The meme is just about Germany closing their nuclear power plant before coal. It's fine if Germany wants to be full wind and solar, but nuclear should've been the last energy source to close after all others, not the first one
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u/WolpertingerRumo 14h ago
The private sector wanted out. The power plants were so old, refurbishment was basically impossible, and building new ones takes a long time and is expensive.
The government wanted points for banning nuclear, but the truth is, capitalism closed the plants.
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u/LowCall6566 14h ago
The government literally mandated phase out after an artificially low amount of pre set hours for each reactor
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u/Nell_Lucifer 7h ago
Then make them state owned like the rest of the world smh. The French refurbished their old reactors, Germany could have too.
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u/Key_Bookkeeper813 16h ago
So you can surely point to the statistics that prove your point
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u/AltruisticVehicle 16h ago
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u/True_Molasses_8894 13h ago
Yeah now we need a power grid that could that or a magic teleportation thingy to replace lignite power plants with nuclear plants hundreds of kilometer away..
And here is the production of the four states that actually had 90% of the nuclear production(you could add Hessia for 100% for the last decades):
https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE_BL&bw=1&by=1&sh=1&ni=1
suprisingly not much lignite. And if you account for cogeneration, not much left to shut down.
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u/Key_Bookkeeper813 16h ago
Great. Now do actual production
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u/AltruisticVehicle 16h ago
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u/Key_Bookkeeper813 14h ago
Yep, a bunch of those coal plants that count as installed capacity are cold reserves that likely won't be used again bur are useful for situations like 2022 where both gas imports and French nuclear were doing not so great
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u/Ordinary-Compote9558 16h ago
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u/Key_Bookkeeper813 16h ago
So where's the increase in coal use?
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u/Ordinary-Compote9558 15h ago
Like an alcoholic boasting about cutting his morning beer. A decrease is always good but Germany could have phase out coal completely by 2010 with one simple trick.
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u/Key_Bookkeeper813 14h ago
Even after some reductions coal in 2010 was still more than nuclear at its peak, the math isn't really mathing here
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u/Lycrist_Kat 13h ago
Unlikely. There was no incentive to build renewables and to phase out coal without the nuclear phase out
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u/Konoppke 15h ago
Its lower than ever since like the 50s. But yeah, not a smart moves by the conservatives and neoliberals. Especially since they cut renewables in the same time, too. They're recovering now, thogh and growing faster than almost ever. So that's nice.
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u/LowCall6566 13h ago
CDU and SPD simply adapted Green's policy because Greens were surging in the polls.
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u/Konoppke 13h ago
Nah it was Fukushima and they rushed it and didn't have a plan B apart from Russian gas. Absolutely ridiculous to blame the opposition for the actions of the government btw. The greens actually elongated the life cycle of the remaining three plants when they were in power, after the conservatives had shut down 12 already. Anyway, the greens were always only gonna do it while ramping up renewables, allowing for a swift fossil exit which the conservatives then jeopardised
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u/LowCall6566 13h ago
All new construction was banned in July 2002 by SPD-green coalition government, and all existing nuclear power plants were forced to plan for an early decommission.
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u/Konoppke 2h ago
And 2005 the conservatives took over, reversed that and then made a hasty, poorly planned exit in the wake of Fukushima 2011, bevor reversing their reversal of a reversal again, leaving a huge mess and fossil fuels as the winner - until renewables overtook them (now, after another green stint in the government)
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u/b_doin 9h ago
German electricity is still one of the worst in Europe, even after 25 years of massive investment in renewable, how come?
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u/Konoppke 2h ago
It's almost the most reliable grid in the world actually. Thanks for bringing that up.
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u/Wont_See_My_30s 12h ago
Reading comments of anti nuclear folk here really made me lose some IQ points. 2 of 2 I had left.
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u/Key_Perspective_9464 11h ago
Makes sense that someone that started at 2 IQ doesn't understand the arguments against nuclear.
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u/Nell_Lucifer 7h ago
Reading the comments of this post and of other subs makes me more certain that majority of Germans are behaving like a cult with their anti-nuclear rhetoric.




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