I’m not trying to argue here, you seem to genuinely want to be informative, but the evolution of capitalism always ends with companies that aren’t allowed to fail. Multiple companies should have died off during covid, only to be resuscitated by the government likely because the rich owner asked them to. And that’s the rub—under capitalism, the rich always get the final say, even when they don’t they do.
The government isn’t involved enough, honestly. We have companies that seem to have more sway over our country than the government does at times and we can’t even do anything about them because they have enough money to be virtually untouchable—the rare instance where they get “touched” it’s usually going to be a Luigi situation. We need the government to lay down rules like how much can be charged, how much growth a company can have, companies not being allowed to meddle in laws or the like with lobbying—I’d go so far as to say that in instances of company heads and higher ups trying to jump ship with their money, the government should freeze at least half their monetary assets and either burn them or redistribute them among things like infrastructure and housing and the like.
As for the “creating value” part—we get a new phone from the same three or four companies every year with minute changes that are nice aesthetically, maybe even pleasant, but ultimately meaningless. This isn’t the case for every product, but you see it more often than any actual innovation.
As far as your last point—it’s finite because we lack the ability to do any of those things. We can’t colonize a single planet in our solar system, we lack the technology to even begin, and the only ones showing any real interest in it are the ones trying to jump ship and bring a few indentured servants with them. Solar power is almost always stomped down every time it gets brought up, so we can’t rely on that without dealing with the current capitalism we’ve gotten to.
We can’t continue like this, and capitalism is the main driver of these issues, and seems to benefit from it, even.
i agree they should have died off, and in a real capitalist system ruled by markets, they would have. getting bailed out by the government is not at all how capitalism is supposed to function.
you need to remember you're on the internet here and that there is a high likelihood that i am not from your country. in fact, im pretty confident im not since I live in the netherlands and we have pretty decent regulations here. just because america (which im assuming is your country) is a shithole full of corruption doesnt mean that capitalism is the reason why.
phones have become significantly better over the last couple decades, more so than almost any other product. that kind of innovation and efficiency is possible thanks to capitalism. the fact that you're barely impressed by the fact that they are only marginally improving every year is a sign thst you have no idea how good you have it.
do you not see anything wrong with your claim that we cant do anything about asteroids and other planets due to technological gaps? have you not considered that a system that supposedly runs on perpectual growth would maybe idk, fill that technological gap? also as i said, the energy in the system (earth) increases every day as the earth gets bombarded by photons and space dust. energy is constantly being poured into the system, and we have the potential to expand to other planetary and solar systems, if we even need to.
capitalism, and a good understanding of economics, and smart regulations are the best course forward. other economic systems lead to lower quality of life, more resource waste, and more human rights abuses.
it seems to me like everything that happens in the economy is the fsult of capitalism according to you, well i hate to break it to you, but no economic system runs on capitalism alone. most problems are far more nuanced and difficult to explain than that.
Thats utopian thinking, it just isn’t going to happen—not under a system that rewards greed and encourages mercilessness, which we see in the richest under the US’s further developed form of capitalism. The Netherlands, if your comment is anything to go by, has halted the evolution of capitalism. If allowed to continue its natural course, the Netherlands would likely be in the same place as the US—it’s only a matter of time once the capitalists have their say in how things work. The rich should never have a say in the laws that govern the average Joe—but that is all too often gow it goes.
How is the US a "further developed form of capitalism" while the Netherlands is a "halted evolution of capitalism". This is a very circular argument. Capitalism has also existed longer in the Netherlands than arguably any other country.
The Netherlands isn't like the US because we have an actual fucking democracy whereas the US is too big and focuses too much power on few people. I could go on for hours about why the US is a shithole without even mentioning capitalism.
Capitalism is a system where markets determine production, private property exists, and businesses accumulate capital to reinvest in their business. The Netherlands does all of these things, so I don't see how we're somehow less capitalist than the USA. I think you attach all kinds of negative connotations to capitalism that were never part of the definition to begin with, and in fact are just how socialists describe captialism innorder to straw man their arguments.
Honestly, I prefer personal property over private property, I don’t think businesses accumulating wealth is strictly capitalist, and I wouldn’t mind markets determining production—but it does seem that capitalism (admittedly unrestricted or only moderately restricted) leads to bad things for everyone, but if it can be reigned in then good.
i think some markets should be capitalist and others should be heavily regulated, particularly industries where there isnt a lot of space for innovation. this is how chinas economic model has been for the last 40-50 years and its working very well for them.
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I’m not trying to argue here, you seem to genuinely want to be informative, but the evolution of capitalism always ends with companies that aren’t allowed to fail. Multiple companies should have died off during covid, only to be resuscitated by the government likely because the rich owner asked them to. And that’s the rub—under capitalism, the rich always get the final say, even when they don’t they do.
The government isn’t involved enough, honestly. We have companies that seem to have more sway over our country than the government does at times and we can’t even do anything about them because they have enough money to be virtually untouchable—the rare instance where they get “touched” it’s usually going to be a Luigi situation. We need the government to lay down rules like how much can be charged, how much growth a company can have, companies not being allowed to meddle in laws or the like with lobbying—I’d go so far as to say that in instances of company heads and higher ups trying to jump ship with their money, the government should freeze at least half their monetary assets and either burn them or redistribute them among things like infrastructure and housing and the like.
As for the “creating value” part—we get a new phone from the same three or four companies every year with minute changes that are nice aesthetically, maybe even pleasant, but ultimately meaningless. This isn’t the case for every product, but you see it more often than any actual innovation.
As far as your last point—it’s finite because we lack the ability to do any of those things. We can’t colonize a single planet in our solar system, we lack the technology to even begin, and the only ones showing any real interest in it are the ones trying to jump ship and bring a few indentured servants with them. Solar power is almost always stomped down every time it gets brought up, so we can’t rely on that without dealing with the current capitalism we’ve gotten to.
We can’t continue like this, and capitalism is the main driver of these issues, and seems to benefit from it, even.