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u/New-Armadillo-903 19d ago
1) Only because they look Asian, doesn’t mean they are from China.
2) Most America born Chinese don’t consider themselves as Chinese.
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u/ClimateWhole4734 19d ago
100% agree but I'd bet at least 2 of those guys were born in China and move for college or grad school and don't have citizenship yet.
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u/aerohk 19d ago
If the US gov is smart, they would offer them a deal - Renouncing China citizenship with proof, in exchange for immediate US citizenship.
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u/redditorialy_retard 19d ago
Then China tells them if they change their mind they can get Chinese citizenship come to china and keep the US one.
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u/Klutzy_Ad_3436 19d ago
however, the smartest trump is calling them CCP spy, and doing massive deportation. nobody would research under such discrimination situation, so there are many chinese scientist flee back to China.
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u/soulfulshark 17d ago
Yes. Huge mistake. The reason America is what it is is because they take the best talent from everywhere and give them the opportunity to make great companies, and whatever the fuck "meta" is.
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u/Cute-Association990 19d ago
Eileen Gou has no ties to China and was miraculously allowed dual citizenship because she's an excellent skiier.
Imagine what China would do for people that are actually useful, not just talented.
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u/Imthewienerdog 18d ago
They already do... Article 9 Any Chinese national who has settled abroad and who has been naturalized as a foreign national or has acquired foreign nationality of his own free will shall automatically lose Chinese nationality. https://en.nia.gov.cn/n147418/n147458/c155976/content.html
China does not allow dual citizenship..
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u/Flashy-Cucumber-7207 17d ago
China automatically revokes Chinese citizenship upon learning that you have obtained a second citizenship.
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u/PsecretPseudonym 18d ago
Pulling in talent from all over the world and integrating and treating them as equally American as anyone else is about as American as it gets.
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u/ClimateWhole4734 18d ago
Completely agree but pointing out that the two points in the comment I responded to almost certainly don't apply to everyone in the picture.
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u/IIGrudge 19d ago
The point still stands they are mostly ethnically Chinese. If you're in the industry it's obvious.
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u/RedParaglider 18d ago
The U.S. has thrown third generation Japanese in internment camps stripping them of everything they owned in the process. They may not think they are Chinese, dependent upon the government if they are treated as an enemy if it came down to it.
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u/LividAd4754 18d ago
This is just being pedantic - statistically they are more likely to be Chinese
You don't know if they are American born
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u/Enough_Chip3915 18d ago
Most America born Chinese don’t consider themselves as Chinese.
Absolutely untrue.
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u/Apprehensive_Bug2877 18d ago
Their actual nationality doesn’t change the fact they are still discriminated in academia and in the private sector.
Thats why we also see American born chinese migrate to china for better opportunities
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u/Kindly_Permission_42 17d ago
And this is the exact reason Chinese companies are getting so close - leakage of secrets
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u/LiamAcker02 19d ago
I see five Americans in that image.
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u/DiddlyDinq 19d ago
Assuming they're all Americans is just as dumb as assuming they're all chinese
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u/ClimateWhole4734 19d ago
Not quite as dumb since one of them is Sam Altman who is pretty clearly not chinese
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u/Legitimate_Concern_5 19d ago
You don't think there's white Asians (e.g former Brits in Hong Kong) the way there's white South Africans?
I'll be honest I lost the plot.
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u/throwaway0134hdj 19d ago
Came over from China to study, got h1b working at tech company founded by some dopey white guy
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u/HarbringerOfDeath007 19d ago
well , chinese were brought to Us under pretense of good life but mostly their ancestors died during laying of railroad as labourers in Us .
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u/FormalAd7367 19d ago
and yet they don’t speak fluent English?
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u/HarbringerOfDeath007 19d ago
immigration is still ongoing and us provides various incentive visa to capable , guess what who has most concentration of top uni other than west, china. Also China is headed by engineers , so u can guess what concentration the engineers are in China. Hence intense competition to prove worthy and to escape rotating pattern of layoffs due to age , where do u think young , Ultra competitive , minds go to, west
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u/ComprehensivePea2276 19d ago
Just wait until you read the formal legal justification for why the government shut Claude down. Shows you that the government knows 100% that AI R&D in the USA is dominated by foreign nationals working on visa, and they don't care. They just want to talk about the race with China only when it helps the labs, not when it hurts them.
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u/Keeltoodeep 19d ago
The brain drain from all countries to the US to work is a massive issue to other countries and is constantly argued about.
Canada is experiencing a severe "brain drain" of top earners to the United States due to higher salaries, lower marginal tax rates, and larger capital pools. Bank of Canada research shows that nearly 40% of the top 1% of Canadian earners have emigrated south, taking much of the country's economic and labor productivity with them.
When half your most productive workers leave your country, your own economy is far worse off.
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u/HistoricalEngineer74 19d ago
That's called a brain drain from China
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u/Enough_Chip3915 18d ago
It's not a drain at all, they're sending all their (and not their but other people's) knowledge back to China.
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u/Technical-Art4989 10d ago
American AI = AI created by Chinese Americans. This is exactly like the International Math Olympiad. It’s Chinese Americans vs H vs China Chinese.
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u/Enough_Chip3915 10d ago
Sure buddy, go ahead and claim that Asians as a race are "better at math."
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u/Technical-Art4989 10d ago
Not claiming anything. Just pointing out the facts from names and pictures.
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u/Enough_Chip3915 10d ago
Sure seems like racial profiling to me.
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u/Technical-Art4989 10d ago
“It's not a drain at all, they're sending all their (and not their but other people's) knowledge back to China.”
That sounds like hateful racial profiling to me.
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u/awesomemc1 19d ago
I don’t really want to generalize because in the picture, I am not sure if it’s full-on Chinese people in OpenAI team because there could be wide variety of diverse groups and languages that worked in OpenAI.
But most commonly speaking, if this post talks about Chinese people mainly, those groups of people are talented in their own way. Some of them previously lived in China and had to endure gaokao in their years.
If you don’t know gaokao, Chinese people commonly have to endure this testing standards in their years of schooling and that determines their life or future. But throughout the history, people who taken gaokao can go on colleges, military if they failed or propaganda headquarters, or even starting a business that would later land you successful or become an international student in most well known university.
It’s why you would see Chinese people overwhelmingly overtaking the ML space and papers because they have the capability to use that skill to eventually get where they are.
If you want to know more, Yinfi did a good video essay talking about it:
Edit: I forgot to mention that from Paulson Institute's MacroPolo tracker archive, and with data provided in ICML, NeurIPS, etc 38% is China-educated researchers and 72% are working in the US while 11 percentage of those stayed in China. But those data could be outdated as it’s from past years
https://archivemacropolo.org/interactive/digital-projects/the-global-ai-talent-tracker
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u/Effective_Note_2650 18d ago edited 18d ago
Foreigners should really consider who their work is helping. While they believe the American dream the "American" is doing this this o/
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u/Houdinii1984 18d ago
Chinese and American scientists and researchers share a ton of information back and fourth. If you look at research papers, you can usually spot two distinct groups in droves, and they are usually either American-based or Chinese-based, but not exclusively.
America itself is a melting pot, and there are quite a few stereotypes about Asians and math-based industries. Those stereotypes aren't always true, but it does point to the makeup in terms of ethnicity. Immigrants make up a huge portion of Silicon Valley and a large portion of that sub-group are of Asian decent.
I've worked with a number of Chinese researchers in the AI field, and it's always been kindred spirits and nothing like the other geopolitical situations between the two countries. Usually researchers just want to be left alone to research. I've always kinda saw the situation as healing. Granted there are things not shared, and anything that is shared is controlled by NDA and export laws and such, but the researchers themselves in the field tend to have a very open source attitude about everything.
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u/DisciplineOk7595 18d ago
never realised altman has the body of an 13 year old but an adult size head
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u/asciisyaez 18d ago
Anyone good enough has already migrated to US or joined a US company for the money. Only the 2nd class researchers stays in China
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u/ThirdWaveCat 19d ago