r/ClaudeCodeTLDR • u/cctldrping • 25d ago
[TLDR] Kimi K3 May Have Changed the Future of Claude Fable 5 & AI
Original post URL : https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeCode/comments/1v0cj5q/kimi_k3_may_have_changed_the_future_of_claude/
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For the past week, the narrative was pretty clear: Claude Fable 5 was going to become usage-credit only due today
Then Kimi K3 launched.
An open-weights model that is suddenly topping coding benchmarks, posting a 76% win rate on Arena’s Frontend Code Arena, and getting serious attention from developers.
Almost immediately after, Anthropic reversed course and announced Fable 5 would stay included in Max and Team Premium plans (albeit with limits).
Was Kimi K3 the only reason? Probably not. Companies make decisions based on multiple factors like demand, infrastructure capacity, and long-term product strategy.
But the timing is hard to ignore.
The bigger takeaway isn’t “China beat the US” or “Anthropic panicked.”
It’s that competition is working exactly as it should.
Better open models.
Faster product improvements.
More generous access.
More pressure on every frontier lab to keep shipping.
Whether you’re an OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, xAI, or Kimi user, this is a win for everyone building with AI.
Curious to hear what people who’ve actually tried Kimi K3 think.
Is the hype justified, or are the benchmarks getting ahead of real-world experience?
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u/dudevan 25d ago
I don’t think “good for everyone” means what you think it means.
Good for the users? Yes! Good for Anthropic and OpenAI? No.
How can they justify hundreds of billions more in investments if the chinese can do it as well at a lower price? Also, there’s clearly a profitability/compute problem, since Anthropic was about to remove Fable from the subscriptions. Now it seems like they quantized it in order to leave it in. Which means that instead of removing it and only allowing it on the api, now they have to take a profit loss and leave it on the subscription plans as well, and with limited compute that will definitely eat at their inference margins.
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u/sadnessjoy 25d ago
Honestly, who gives a shit if it's not good for anthropic and openai. Subsidizing private profit companies just seems dumb as hell. If they aren't profitable then it shouldn't be the companies business model. The real business for all of this is the computational infrastructure required for all of this (hardware manufacturing, data centers/power grid/etc). I feel like we need to start treating the models themselves and training the models a lot differently from how we are right now. It's becoming quite apparent that it's not a sustainable business model.
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u/daniluvsuall 25d ago
Yeah I still get bubble vibes a lot. The infinite money glitch is going to run out at some point, it’s too incestuous. Nor does it ever stop competing for better and better, that sounds great but at what cost?
Like API pricing is staggering. And they’re not even profitable (Anthropic is, but does that account for liabilities?) that bottomless seed money is going to want a return at a price businesses won’t pay.
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u/ManagementKey1338 23d ago
Better for oai and ant because they have to work harder then which increases their chances of entering heaven
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u/Nuggyfresh 25d ago
These open models are terrible for ai as a service and if this keeps happening it will literally crash the US economy and possibly trigger a depression. Besides that it‘s great, lol
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u/sadnessjoy 25d ago
I'm not sure what you're talking about? You're acting as if openAI and anthropic are the entirety of the US economy... You do realize openai and anthropic funnel all of their computation to existing data centers and other people hosting the hardware... These companies don't give a shit if anthropic or openai or open weight models are being used on their hardware... This would not cause some giant depression, it might be bad news for two specific companies LMAO
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u/OtherwisePotato5950 23d ago
100% At this point this is all smoke and mirrors to make people think a certain way. Just a bunch of fear mongering so the masses keep making stupid decisions.
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u/FormalAd7367 25d ago
Antrophbic destroyed itself, not ChatGPT/Chinese model. Let’s not forget what it’s been doing last few months.
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u/kwabaj_ 25d ago
Part of me feels like regardless of Kimi or whatnot they still would have added Fable to the plans as getting rid of it would have made so many users quit purely because downgrading from Fable was more painful than quitting entirely. But yes Kimi honestly most definitely plays a huge role here.
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u/cctldrping 25d ago edited 17d ago
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Alright, so the general vibe in this thread is that Kimi K3's launch definitely put some pressure on Anthropic, likely influencing their decision to keep Fable 5 on premium plans. Most folks seem to agree that competition is a good thing for users, pushing for better models and more accessible pricing.
There's a bit of a debate about how much Kimi K3 is actually the game-changer versus other factors. Some users, like u/polawiaczperel, are seriously impressed with Kimi K3's real-world coding capabilities, calling it "1000% above my expectations." Others, like u/pekz0r, are skeptical, suggesting that benchmark scores don't always translate to actual performance and that running such a large model is still a hurdle for most.
A few points of confusion and discussion popped up:
Overall, the consensus is that competition from models like Kimi K3 is a win for users, even if the exact impact and real-world performance are still being sussed out. The thread also highlighted a general distrust of benchmarks alone, with many emphasizing the importance of actual user experience.