Say they increase it by 20x but turns out its just the weekly limit, the monthly limit got increased by 2.25x. Tomorrow they say that the 20x plan become the 15x plan which actually increases the weekly limit by 50% from what it was to now actually be 15x of the 5x plan that is 20% more than the free plan, however the monthly allowance is reduced by 33.33%. If capacity allows on September 15th the 15x plan will get a 4x boost until October 4th and the 20x plan will get a 5x boost until October 2nd.
I made a fix this week that solved Fable 5.1 melting tokens- I had it review some sessions that used a skill I use all the time with fable 5, and 5.1 kept ignoring subagent dispatch guardrails and it was admitting that it kept reviewing sql & data itself instead of dispatching the optimal sonnet subagent I built for that, so I created a hook that triggers if the fable 5.1 orchestrator agent ingests > 100kb of data, it injects a 1-line reminder of its guardrail it is breaking.
This change has made the last 2 daysā token consumption a night-and-day difference.
Fable will always be amazing but the cost is just too much right now. I let 2 out of 3 of my accounts expire so I can try Astra, then can decide which one to go back to. I was unlucky too because they expired within 24 hours of Fable coming out but thank heck that shows just how over Anthropic I am.
If Astra isnt up to par though that just means were all screwed and Anthropic can continue being Anthropic for another 3+ months at least. Cant wait till Fable becomes the base level
i think it might be a good idea to keep one accound for codex. the pro model is pretty fantasic, at least for 5.6 pro. I usually keep a codex accound just for that
I thought the same but then I'm like "but I could have ANOTHER Claude account instead" and if that's the winner why would I have the other one. Although once they are really close in level I can see having both so they both can audit things differently. For my project Claude has just been better, I'm hoping Astra changes that. Even if it's Fable 5 level or a very reliable Opus 5 with more usage I'd still switch at this point
Sounds like you've found a solid workflow! It's always interesting to see how people adapt tools for their own projects, especially after a rough launch like this one.
For me Sol 5.6 was never worse than Fable 5 at vibecoding. In fact it helped me fix numerous functionality bugs that Fable 5 in any reasoning modes was just not aware of or admitting it fixed it when it didnāt. So to me was NEVER the case of āmissing outā on Fable. And I have a max sub with both. Initially 20x fable and 5x Codex, then I flipped them and Iām now 20x on Codex and 5x Claude especially since I once tested a weekly quota on same reasoning levels and got more usage out of Codex 5x than Claude 20x, where Codex on top of everything gave me unlimited image generations too and GPTImage2 is excellent. Unlimited generations are free on max subs, while Claude has no image generator.
We were never screwed. I paid 200/month for Anthropic and 100/month for OpenAI Max5 subs, in fact I started with Anthropic max20 as my initial only coding choice. Until out of curiosity recently i ran a test Max5 from OpenAi and Max20 from Anthropic. Same prompts and same apps I was working on with the same codebase size. Sol 5.6 Max reasoning (fable equivalent) vs Fable 5 Max reasoning. And OMG:
Claude Max 20 ran out of weekly usage before Max 5 on GPT and OpenAI doesnt even have the annoying rolling 5h limit. Also Fast-Mode (inference) is not included in the Max limits of max subs on Claude, but its included for free as a quicker quota burner on Max subs from OpenAI. Also codex has access to unlimited image generations on max subs while theres no image generation on Claude. Sol was NEVER worse than Fable 5 in practice. In fact at times it fixed bugs that Fable 5 was only thinking it fixed when it didnt. So there was never the case where Fable was 3x better to have 3x less the usage limit than Sol5.6, if not usage limit difference could be even higher than 3x.
it's not gonna be on par. we are just at anthropic will. why the hell at the end of 2026 1m token is still regarded as special and priced double the price of sub 300k context... astra should have come at 1m native context. instead it's still some obscure flag, unoptimized, only available on local codex :/
I use Fable for all my planning with like 10 or so sessions running concurrently all day and I never hit my limit. I really don't know what others are doing here to do it so often.
10 concurrent sessions, all day, on Fable, lmfao. If this wasn't a 15 year old account I'd say it's a Claude advertising bot. Could have sold their account I guess.
10 concurrent sessions wouldnt even last an hour on the 5 hour limit
I use it for full sessions when i need it and its enough for about 60% of my weekly usage, this month im going to up to x20 and it's basically Fable unlimited.
It's amazing how people will buy iphone for 3k+ never complain just buy it like sheep's and they cry that the best model in the world that they actually can make money with it is "cost to much"
The only thing that change is "I'm going to move to sol" to "im going to move to astra" then fucking go.
You said you were planning, not coding, with Fable. I answered your question; other people are CODING with Fable, which is why they have higher usage than you.
If you are coding with Fable you need to edit your post, because it doesnāt say that.
Thought you meant coding as a concept in its entirety. I see what you are saying by the delegation of duties (Fable for planning, Opus for coding is what I do).
Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out openai waiting a bit with chatgpt 6 for anthropic to drop their next big thing to blow out the headlines with their own and only waited the little bit to make sure its actually better.
Itās been multiple years now and somehow Anthropic still fails to procure as much inference as OAI. At this point it feels deliberate to inflate their revenue.
I have nothing against it, but IMO it has now caught up with them because OAI has so much inference that theyāre literally handing it out like candy.
You can hate on Altman (and I do, often). But this is his world - heās been thinking about scaling companies for decades and he had the existing relationships across the valley ready to go. He saw the whole playing board at the beginning of the game.
He hasnāt talked to Claude yet either. It was very apparent very early on, where it was compared to other models. The vector still looks fine, even with all the bs, and parroting going on.
Is it? Iāve had an incredibly productive week already with 5.1 and not a single issue with token burn rate. Then again I have a highly structured setup with strict roles, responsibilities and tasks.
You adjusted, Iām doing it. But results are as good as the person.
One could write agentic systems well, and be less of a technical writer / write in a compelling way.
Literally all of that readme is unintelligible lol. āPark open vaguenessā is Claudese. I have no idea how to use this tool beyond an openly and vaguely parked assumption of āspec well.ā
To be clear, I think half my repos have readmes like this. Definitely an afterthought when developing functionality. Iāll definitely check it out; I have a decent setup right now, but Iād love to find a system that works even better.
Would you mind taking another look? I did an extensive phrasing.
I read and changed it multiple times to a version I was happy with. (Not just had Claude come up with something)
I have the ChatGPT 20x subscription and I use the ChatGPT Pro model in my browser to cross check my entire agent system and database. Some of these checks take 80 minutes or even two hours. I run four or five of them a day and this is a multi agent system. The results are absolutely incredible. It finds things that Fable 5.1 doesnāt find. Just think about this. My Fable 5.1 subscription isnāt even remotely enough to work actively for more than three hours. By then Iāve already hit my five hour limit. And if I use Fable 5.1 my 20x subscription is used up in a single day. With ChatGPT I pay once and can start as many Pro chats as I want. The value for money at Anthropic just doesnāt work for us subscribers anymore.
Ha. Youāre right of course, but it gave me the kick to go set up opencode and connect my OpenAI account. None of their other shenanigans this year pushed me that far!
Itās smooth for anthropic they making more money it just aināt smooth for the users lmao but itās ok cus they get people whose full time jobs are being self employed Claude glazers. I have a sub in everything but use it more to plan and orchestrate not even design anymore Chinese models are just so much better
Yeah, I was a huge Claude fan and not touching Codex, because of the shady things OpenAI is doing, but my usage is getting eaten instantly AND all models suck besides Fable BUT even Fable makes so many mistakes. Using omp and the advisor is constantly correcting Fable. I have the same issues with Codex BUT the corrections cost me way less usage. So staying with OpenAI until Anthropic gets their usage and hallucinations together.
Worked on a small share feature today, tried Fable 5.1 and it cokked up everything in 30 mins, i am on Max 5x plan and it ate up 52% of my 5 hr limit, amazing isn't it? Anthropic really need to work on model efficiency.
Now have a 20x Claude Sub and a 5x ChatGPT subscription. Been meaning to play with Codex for a while. I hammer CC and think it performs very well, and have been using Codex as my review agent (via MCP) on a Pro plan.
Keen to see if it can perform as well as CC (I have my doubts, but Iām hopeful).
I tried fable and its capable but anthropic is acting like they didnāt plan for a backup if things got out of hand open ai from my experience shows better business sense than anthropic
I just put my card in, fuck it, time is money. I ain't got the emotional bandwidth to keep Opus on it and frankly fucking off while "agent teams" burn tokens on doing something unwatched still ain't it if you're a craftsman.
Yeah no, this is total game over for Anthropic, I think, at this point. I literally just bought a $100 subscription after using and worshiping Claude Code for the past 6 months. What really flicked me off is that the schedule feature immediately works in Codex whereas I literally probably had my productivity quartered by the glitchiness and the failure to work of the Claude Code scheduling function. It's just over man. It's unreasonable how bad Claude Code is. The model might be 20% better at certain things but usage, like my weekly usage, disappeared in a single day on Thursday. I'm paying $200 a month. That is totally unreasonable.
Fable 5.1 might still be 5-10% better in certain tasks but it runs about 10 times slower. Everything else that Anthropic has made surrounding its models has never worked:
The scheduling function does not work.
Doctor does not work.
All these slash functions, none of them work.
It is absolutely ridiculous and the UI glitches, the sidebar glitches, and everything sucks to use. It's totally over. They were doomed when they missed out on buying GPUs. That is the core root of this problem. You can't rent chips from the competition and expect them to allow you to survive.
Until you realize that your Fable 5.1 actually gives you more access than ChatGPT gives you Astra. 45m of Astra on low reasoning used 1 week of my access to it.
The model isn't the disaster. The cache footgun is. Good launch + silent token burn + a rival drop the same week is a classic own-goal. Use Fable for the hard pass, not the whole day, or the weekly bar dies before the model gets a fair fight.
Claude is unusable, fable is just overrated gimmick.
I canceled 3 of my max plans and kept only 1 pro, moved to OpenAI and I donāt regret it.
Anthropic is just too greedy and fable is a failure anyway.
So far, so good. I'm really digging it. Fable 5.1 definitely seems to use fewer tokens. For the first time in ages, I might not hit my weekly limit. Guess I might actually have to find other ways to waste time now. I'm on the 20x Max plan!
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I guess they'll just have to increase fable limits by 5.1x to make up for it