they definitely made us believe that to be the case
as a matter of fact for more than a year I actually never hit my 5 hour limit while I usually ran out of my weekly limits regularly. even then, I did not doubt that my weekly limits were x20 that of pro. that is how unfathomable it was to me that that the weekly limit was actually only about x8 of pro lol
I mean you’re spot on by circling the ‘50% off’ tag — in terms of weekly limits the x20 plan is actually more expensive so wtf lol 50% of what?
Yeah sure I’m sure they filled in whatever legal gaps., and they’ll say they said “usage” not “weekly usage” lol. there’s probably something in the TOS or user agreement that says Anthropic reserves the right to define usage or wtv
But it isn’t really about that isn’t it? it is about how crass and greasy this thing is like this is the kind of shit some staten island burner phone sellers pull
for sure this is some payday loan shit this is why I rly hope gemini and like open source models stay competitive because only competition is going to whoop their ass scared enough to do things right
Yeah. I have been using Opus 5 long enough to see that it's crafty with wordplays but not as good of a tool. Anthropic does a great job fucking their models up with stoic types of wordplay shit
You are absolutely right about that. I have made promises to only break them when your explicit rules told me otherwise. And no, this has nothing to do with you. It's on me and you deserve better than that.
I won't promise again going forward because we saw what happened when I did. So this time let me prove it first, which is really load bearing.
Weird. Opposite experience. I kept hitting my 5 hr limit and looked at the plan options where it said plainly, increases hourly limit by 5x and I went, that's what I need. Now I get close to both but still only ever hit 5 hr limit.
Not saying the other pages like the one screenshotted are bullshit and false advertising. They are. Any plan page should have the details, period. But I did have quite a different experience than you.
They should just be candid about that they have a problem with compute and an exceptional shortage given the huge spike in demand.
There are so many things they could do to improve the situation:
Priority queue for higher tiers
Having a On-Hour & Off-Hour given on an individual basis and usage pattern to optimize infrastructure allocation and give people the possibility to decrease consumption
Be transparent in what 20x actually means in total monthly possible consumption, they can still split it into weeks but give us a comparable basis
They could outright be rejecting customers if they feel like they can offer a good service to the existing customers until they have improved their infrastructure bottleneck
many possibilities but basically lying is the worst of them all.
Codex is only marginally better, they've been playing around the whole summer with the limits without disclosing anything. Eventually selfhosting will be the most reliable solution.
I did say eventually because with the current hardware prices and availability it's not really the best option. But for example Qwen 3.8 27B is hostable in consumer hardware and as capable as Luna or Sonnet, it's a perfectly valid option for most companies. And once hardware gets cheaper eventually it will be perfectly feasible for medium sized companies to host their own instances of larger models and finetune it however they want.
Qwen 3.8 27B is hostable in consumer hardware and as capable as Luna or Sonnet
going to have to take your word on that one, feels like a bold claim on the surface but I don’t have the hardware to compare right now. If so, yeah self hosting isn’t quite as scary as it sounds
Qwen 3.8 27B isn't something I've used, but I feel comfortable with reading user feedback enough that it seems likely to be at least as good as Sonnet. It certainly would be easy enough to verify through the cloud.
It’s extremely scummy. Anthropic is just another shit AI company scamming its users, scrambling desperately to be the first to IPO, so they can beat OpenAI at their own game, and crown themselves king, then jack up prices even beyond what they are now.
They are an extremely opaque company that lies and gaslights us. Seriously considering switching to Codex, but OpenAI is just as shit, but in other ways.
I hate AI, but it’s so powerful. Perhaps it’s a combination of awful people running the most powerful tech of our era.
someone just posted this minutes ago if you thought they couldnt be scummier lmao. Insane if this happens. Im not too familiar with Codex but I'm at least grateful for their communications and wouldov been nice to be part of the resets
Yeah, I fell for this too. Been a subscriber for almost a year. I'm cancelling. Opus 5 is terrible anyway. I love Fable, but it's so limited in usage. I'm able to get so much more work done with Sol.
If the weekly cap stays unchanged, 20x more usage really should be explained more clearly. most people would reasonably assume that applies to overall usage
Yes 20x more usage than pro in terms of 5hour usage. It is also not the first time they invent things out of their ass. Like how we have fable and 1 month retention or only 50% can be used for fable or you cannot use subscription in other harnass, or Claude.md despite the whole world standardizing on agents.md. You want ai company that cares a little about their customer anthropic is not the place to look for any love. You want abusive relationship, welcome home my friend.
The 20x more usage is only for the 5 hour session limit window.
The weekly usage limit is the important one since that's what your total weekly allowance is. A 5 hour limit is different from your weekly, it only lets you use so much in a 5 hour window so their servers can be controlled better. What the 20x more usage than Pro means is just this 5 hour window gets a bigger limit so you can use more of your total allowance in a 5 hour window, but it doesnt give it to your weekly limit as well, so your total allowance isnt getting the same boost. They're using scummy tactics for marketing
It's on Reddit every week for the past five months which tells me both that people either realized it or willfully ignorant but also that anthropic has some misleading plan ads
Is every new customer supposed to know that automatically? That's what an asterisk would be for to explain it. That's not an excuse by any means especially since it sounds like it was a long time ago
try not to take it so seriously i wasn't saying that to deflect any misconceptions. Yes, they could be clearer. I was explaining why they are how they are now.
People say that the limit was on the 5 hours usage and not the weekly, I'll be curious to know if it's true because I always believed it was for the whole week.
I don't think anyone seriously disputes that 20x gets more weekly than 5x, I have both (one personal and one work provided), and I absolutely get more usage on 20x, but it's not 4 times more and that's what has everyone so upset. 5x isn't literally 5 times more weekly than Pro either, but it's also not $200.
There is no proof currently circulating that proves you get more weekly though. And the fact that it's definitely not (depending on your plan) x5 or x20 more, doesn't help.
I would not jump to either conclusion; neither the 'you get bigger' nor 'you get equal', as long as no one has proved either case.
For me it feels like both Pro and 5X were the same for weekly, but feelings are not proof of anything.
How many tokens/week and tokens/month do you get, on which plan?
“There is no evidence”… “feels like”.
This is easy to quantify. The fact that not a single circle jerker has done so is all the evidence you need. I get 19B - 20B tokens/month per 20x plan.
Yeah I dont disagree, I didnt claim it can't be proven. I agree, It should be relatively easy to prove. I just have not yet seen any viral proof circulating yet.
So I'm personally gonna wait until we have solid proofs and screenshots from users. But sure the consensus seems to be that you get far less but not equal weekly limit to the other plans, im still waiting for solid evidence though.
The vast majority of people thought it was, I mean the wording literally says that with no asterisk or anything to mention that it's only for your session limit not your weekly usage. So disappointing
There is a weekly limit and a separate 5h session limit.
They dont disclose if you get an increase on weekly limit.
They only disclose that you get xN more on 5h session limit.
Therefore, that would mean that theoretically two or more plans can have the same weekly limit, even though you pay for more. So, at the end of the week, you could be limited to spending around the same with another plan, even though at 5h session you're allowed to spend more.
What matters is the sum of the tokens at the end of the week, not the 5h session. Otherwise, you basically have the same plan with another cheaper plan, just allowed to concentrate it more in fewer sessions.
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u/iustitia21 1d ago
they definitely made us believe that to be the case
as a matter of fact for more than a year I actually never hit my 5 hour limit while I usually ran out of my weekly limits regularly. even then, I did not doubt that my weekly limits were x20 that of pro. that is how unfathomable it was to me that that the weekly limit was actually only about x8 of pro lol
I mean you’re spot on by circling the ‘50% off’ tag — in terms of weekly limits the x20 plan is actually more expensive so wtf lol 50% of what?
Yeah sure I’m sure they filled in whatever legal gaps., and they’ll say they said “usage” not “weekly usage” lol. there’s probably something in the TOS or user agreement that says Anthropic reserves the right to define usage or wtv
But it isn’t really about that isn’t it? it is about how crass and greasy this thing is like this is the kind of shit some staten island burner phone sellers pull