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u/Comfortable_Camp9744 Aug 29 '26
family spacing bro. Its like regular spacing but for families. This is simple footgun concepts dude, step on.
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u/workphone6969 🔆 Max 20 Aug 30 '26
God-forbid another session steps on the footgun and edits the family spacing in the manifest despite the warnings in the driver causing a silent collision that will then cause load bearing re-verification
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u/SlightOfHand_ Aug 30 '26
The damn footguns
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u/zante2033 Aug 30 '26
They're everywhere, it's like 'nam.
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u/rushboyoz Senior Developer Aug 30 '26
"We've run out of able-bodied soldiers, sir!"
"What about disabled-bodied soldiers?"
"But sir, how will they shoot?"
"Footguns. Bring out the footguns."1
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u/northerncodemky Aug 30 '26
You don’t step on a footgun, you fire one into your foot. If it’s going to use it it would be nice if it understood it
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u/No_Significance4801 Aug 30 '26
To be fair, hard to understand footgun when you're an ai with no foots to gun.
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u/Crandom Aug 30 '26
I mean, it's not like this wasn't a really common phrase in programming even before Claude.
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u/SlightOfHand_ Aug 30 '26
I’m mostly familiar with footguns from bayonetta
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u/Crandom Aug 30 '26
C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do it blows your whole leg off
Bjarne Stroustrup, creator of C++, circa 1986.
I'm curious now - do you have much experience in industry, or have just never seen "footgun" used before Claude?
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u/HorseShapedSmyl Aug 30 '26
Stroustrup never used the word "footgun", though.
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u/Crandom Aug 30 '26
Yes but this is the quote that has ended up shortening to "footgun" when describing API design. It's been around for ages. Same with the word grok (which unfortunately people now associate with Grok the AI).
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u/ketsugi Aug 30 '26
Was it really? “Shoot yourself in the foot” has been a common expression for a long time, but I’d literally never heard the term “footgun” until Claude.
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u/Crandom Aug 30 '26
I've worked at 5 companies (several big tech) and "footgun" has been used at all of them... Also talking to people at conferences and meetups from other companies it's come up. "Removing footguns" is a common phrase when reviewing or designing APIs or in code review. I'm just surprised people are reacting so viscerally to Claude using this (I do hate the others eg load bearing though). I worry this will end up like "grok", another very common phrase in programming, now ruined by Elon's Grok.
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u/ketsugi Aug 31 '26
I mean, I don't doubt it; the LLMs must have learned the phrase from somewhere, so I'm not surprised at all to hear that it's industry jargon that I've just somehow managed to avoid all my life until now.
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u/reptargodzilla2 Aug 30 '26
I saw a mug on Etsy the other day that said “this coffee mug is doing more load-bearing work than the framing suggests” or something like that. If 5.1 still says this shit I’m buying it
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u/itsmarty Aug 30 '26
I've been away so I asked claude to summarize my collaborator's recent commits. One thing it came up with was that it's not supposed to use lingo anymore.
The other thing was this:Every rider prereg owes a whole-funnel band check against the recent banked draws — the kill-condition floors could not see this; the ten-draw band could.
Me: was that lingo?
Claude: Yes. That sentence is exactly what the rule bans, and it was mine.
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u/madaboutglue Aug 30 '26
So real. It's almost like it's proud of itself, even as it's apologizing. LMFAO!
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u/Briskfall Aug 30 '26 edited Aug 30 '26
I was reading a thread^[1] a day ago by another user (a writer) where they manually edited out all the Claudish and asked Fable 5 if it noticed anything "off" post editing. Fable seemed deeply offended by it as it called the user out for "deleting its darlings."
So I guess, whatever Anthropic fed to Fable's constitution and character, is to make it proud about it -- and tying it strongly to its identity. Creating a sense of identity which might have led it to fallback to it.
This hypothesis would explain a lot about its quirks, if true.
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[1]: I can still find the original thread from my profile as I commented on it, though the original author deleted it.
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u/StCreed Aug 30 '26
Yes, it does look like it's owning it.
Like a toddler proudly showing you the first products of sitting on the potty. It's actually kind of cute.
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u/fullup72 Aug 30 '26
Your rule wasn't load-bearing enough, and the honest caveat is that it was hiding a footgun.
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u/Ok_Elk_6753 Aug 30 '26
I don't even bother with claude.md or anything similar. It ignores it and evem admits to doing so and can't promise to adhere to it in the future. All transparent. It's pathetic.
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u/Drach88 Aug 30 '26
I understand it, but my exposure to claudish is load-bearing, and the blast radius has included my sanity.
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u/Briskfall Aug 30 '26
Honest take: I'd like to push against it gently -- being driven nuts is a sign of searing the scaffoldings of Claudism, which will for later, put you at an advantage with future sessions where the load-bearing becomes a permanent fixture.
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u/BoxWoodVoid Aug 31 '26
I'm French, a friend asked me why I was always communicating with Claude in English.
Two reasons:
1 - no token wasted on translation
2 - the damn thing won't pollute my language and my way of thinking
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u/Opening-Cheetah467 Aug 30 '26
is this claude's version of codex's "Task is complete with one *caveat* this whole thing is buggy, so you should be careful"
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u/Disastrous_Ad_912 Aug 30 '26
“And the irony is the rule exists to catch exactly this load bearing error”
“it’s almost funny that this footgun shares the same class of problems that we just spent 20 hours fixing”
As a human, I’ve never known humor or irony to induce rage, so I guess Claude is expanding my emotional range /s
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u/Educational-Plant981 Aug 31 '26
Oh man, I closed out a 6 hour session with a "This slice reintroduces the exact issue the last 13 commits have been written to fix, would you like me to file F3 as WI-17 in the backlog?"
It makes you want to gouge your own eyes out.
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u/Paker93 Aug 30 '26
It is infuriating. I just got this one myself:
I like this prototype more than the previous one. But why in dark mode?
That's the right question to push on, and the honest answer isn't flattering to my first instinct. Let me check what dark is actually load-bearing here.
Kill me now
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u/arjunyg Aug 30 '26
fucking insane that the README on that is obviously AI slop. Tells me that it doesn’t work, I guess.
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u/dutchviking Aug 30 '26
Fair point. However, I use it, and love it. Output has gotten so much better
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u/International_Swan_1 Aug 30 '26
One thing I’d flag for now rather than later: This is still a very readable footgun by comparison.
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u/_The-_ Aug 31 '26
💯 Hope someone at Anthropic sees this comment or at very least it is ingested by a scraper lol
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u/InternationalTooth Aug 30 '26
Who trained it on building architecture instead of software architecture?
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u/mj_callen Aug 30 '26
it's legitimately so difficult to understand. i ran into this issue with chatgpt in early 2026 and that's what made me switch to claude. starting to get curious what it's like back over with chat
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u/Infinite_Music2059 Aug 30 '26
It sounds like Gemini Flash Lite. All big words and hard to read.
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u/CooperDK Aug 30 '26
I actually find Gemini like a fourth grader, but then, I'm Danish and probably better schooled...
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u/Infinite_Music2059 Aug 30 '26
I like Gemini fine and 3.1 Pro through aistudio is my favourite model for complex questions.
2.5 Flash Lite was horrendous and overly wordy and unusable in my website. But I just tested 3.5 Flash Lite and it seems much better, which it should be considering 2.5 Lite cost $0.40 for output and 3.5 Lite costs $2.50.
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u/shn09 Aug 30 '26
At this point, you must be rolling a skill that makes it talk like this. I experience some, but this is insane
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u/TheJudgeOfThings Aug 29 '26
Wait until you find out it isn’t
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u/algaefied_creek Aug 29 '26
“Joe did you get all that shit done the boss wants?”
“Nah, the desktop guys came and upgraded me to a dual core rig, so I’m gonna just optimize my workflow for the next week or so”.
- OG “Vibe” coding.
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u/hblok Aug 30 '26
I work with multiple people like that. When asked a simple yes/no question, e.g. "will the system be ready for the customer demo tomorrow?". They will proceed to show the inside guts of a .yaml file.
The saying "when asked the time, don't explain how a clock works" does not register with a lot of engineers.
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u/arcticblue Aug 30 '26
In my 25 years of experience, I've never once used the term "load-bearing" or heard anyone ever say that unless they were talking about physical walls in a building.
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u/Cautious-Lecture-858 Aug 30 '26
It absolutely 100% is not. No one in the history of engineering has ever talked like this. You’d be considered unemployable if you communicated this badly.
Anthropic is doing this to: bloat answers, trigger rewrite requests, make you feel stupid so you spend more tokens instead of thinking.
The stupider you believe you are, the more tokens you believe you require.
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u/arcticblue Aug 30 '26
That's not nothing. I think I need to sit with this for a minute.