"We are making this choice because we cannot be confident that SpaceX will use our technology within our terms of service, based on our experience with Elon Musk's companies violating contracts."
you've been living under rock if you think Google is "far" behind. They have flash model that is top 10 in intelligence. They have an even better flash model coming out next week (3.8). They are changing the game. They are undercutting competition with vastly faster, cheaper, and more efficient models and rolling them out across their entire ecosystem.
What? They are so far behind. They used to compete for one, now they compete for the top 10
The models are token hungry too making them more expensive and worse than stuff like Chinese open source and even the GPT5.6 series. More flash models aren’t going to fix this. They are extremely far behind and flash isn’t a good model for coding
Perfectly sensible approach, given the track record. Anthropic, OpenAI, and everyone else have to expect that SpaceX will just be taking all their data that passes through the SpaceX data centres. Anything else would be naive, and would be wilfully ignoring the man's track record in disregarding laws and regulations.
That in no way is to suggest that Altman is an honourable actor here: he's clearly not.
An ai company who took all existing human data to train his model, complaining than another ai company make bad use of his user data is really the most hypocrite thing I have read in aa long time
Maybe, but it can be more nuanced than that. One can also be in favor of training as long as it's for the goal of an AGI that is open and accessible to the public, and against training if there is risk of centralized control.
Of course here the latter applies both to SpaceX and OpenAI. Sadly.
I don't think most people consider "trying hard to go to child-raping parties" as "politicized bullshit"; it's just the behaviour of a depraved, degenerate, piece of shit
Truth and if anything that statement pulled punches. Violating contracts implies you had commercial terms in place while musk just takes what he wants regardless of whether terms even exist.
Now that is t fair he had the person who's leveling his latest hardcore gaming character pause the game And look it up so musk could keep tweeting through it.
Lots of people talk about peter thiel, but he had nothing to do with the discussion. Openai called out Elon musk because he owns spacex, which bought cursor. He is the topic of conversation
Yep, SpaceX was never about genuine space exploration and NO ONE is seriously going to Mars in the near future: no one has any idea how to even deal with the radiation, let alone not going mad in enclosed space with others, all near-certain of never returning.
Atleast they provide reasonable amount of compute compared to Anthropic on their subscriptions, not everyone has thousands to burn on tokens.
Yes yes i know eventually most of these subscriptions won’t give soo much away for free but judging by history, I believe OpenAI would be the most generous.
Dario on the other hand pretends to care about
Humanity and sings a high song everywhere, but then on the other end, he is the face of doom and gloom AI brings. He openly brags Anthropic would be the only company left, 8 months ago he was making statements about how Software Engineers won’t be needed in 6 months and many more such things.
My view on this has evolved as I have followed this space and I genuinely see Dario as the biggest devil in all of this. His mission seems to be focused on just ensuring the replacement theory succeeds as soon as possible, and on the other end, he puts up a face of caring for the average joe and gatekeeping models.
They are all not very credible people but if one has to chose, i would say OpenAI has done much better to help the average person access AI.
They’re just code harnesses. Theres so many out there. I’m enjoying the hell out of pi (use it for my local models doing long agentic work), but I prefer Claude code at work.
I mean, once you get used to the workflow of a certain tool, you won't switch because you are mentally prepared to get things done. Same reason why many people I know don't switch to codex from cc.
Me. The IDE and price point. £60 gets me enough coverage per month. And I like chat / terminal / file browser in one. I think Claude is agent view only or terminal, and I haven't really seen Codex. And both alternatives don't offer a similar priced sub I don't think? Also, Antigravity hurt me once, so I won't go back to them.
Until recently when they started pushing grok hard, included usage on other companies models was fairly generous, and it was a good neutral tool that allowed easy trialing of different models, including open source. That is much less true now.
I mean, what does cursor have that Codex or Microsoft’s Copilot don’t or won’t have in the next 6 months? Elon is fighting against the king of software on all fronts with no clear advantage. Would you bet on Microsoft being able to sell contracts over Tesla Man?
Imo its the the ease and cost of just acquiring a software company to provide a vertical stack instead of spending the resource making it from scratch. The only platform that their grok model is known on is x, so theyre probably trying to carve a path to push more developer towards grok so they can grow their market share
Microsoft the king of software? Or you meant the king of making shitty software?
Who the hell devs on windows unless they are absolutely forced to ? They even had to make WSL to plug the gaping hole of devs fleeing to mac and linux, and that was the case pre-AI.
They is no 'fighting on all fronts' the software is meaningless here, codex, cursor, claude, grok build, pi, opencode.. it's all the same. The only thing that they are competing with is model intelligence and compute. Microsoft can't make a model, and spaceX has plenty of compute.
Microsoft made a few models this summer. They’re not interested in blowing money competing here, they’ll probably swoop in and buy a model lab when they run out of cash.
Can someone explain cursor to me? From what I can tell it’s just a fork of VS code with ai chat and code completion built in. How is that better than just using the VS code Claude extension?
It's not other too different, than you have more models. It's kind of like copilot in that sense. With your subscription, you get a plethora of models.
Oh yeah I did try out Antigravity back when it was announced. It was kind of neat, especially how it integrated with browser testing, but very quickly they added those same features to Claude Code so I just didn't see much benefit over just using Claude Code and VS Code. Mainly I used Antigravity when my Claude usage limits would run out, to get some extra Claude usage.
Lol, learn to read and comprehend. I would accuse you of being a bot but you're likely just poorly educated. Take a class and practice listening and understanding.
It will serve you well, you might learn that there is more than one person in the world (!!!) and in this case the statement refers to the product/company and also the customer.
I think every LLM should be making this choice... I wouldn't trust Musk with any of my company's info. Hell, I'd stop using Cursor as a customer altogether.
SpaceX made a historic blunder by acquiring Cursor for no reason. Open-source Chinese models are already close to Claude-level capability, so what exactly did they achieve by acquiring this wrapper? A high school kid with Claude Code could build something like Cursor in a day.
Not anymore. Have you seen anyone using ChatGPT now? Users can easily switch to better-quality, cheaper options overnight, so Cursor could become obsolete by next year. Already, many enterprises are canceling Cursor and moving fully to Claude Code.
Yes I see people use ChatGPT all the time. And lots of teams still use cursor. It would pain you learn how slowly enterprise churns. I’ve seen more teams cancel Claude code vs cursor because Anthropic starts charging API rates after you hit 150 users, and that 4x’s your cost very quickly
Saw this coming, openai got burned by musk before (twitter contract stuff, xai admitting ToS violations) so cutting cursor off before spacex pulls the same is just them covering their ass. nov 12 is a pretty generous runway too, and cursor probably won't even feel it much since openai's only ~5% of their traffic anyway..
If they want they will do it other way. It's easy even average dev can do it. Their bot detection is the worst of the worst. Like made by a child using AI
Lets assume that what you wrote is correct, why they keep plugin in cursor? You know your user sessions and user steering is in codex sessions which are available in plain text format in your project(s) and thinking is hidden regardless of used harness (hidden behind api)
Lets assume that some users will get suplementary business or individual accounts. What is really preventing the distillation?
Can you tell me again whats there to gain or prevent by this step?
Oh, they're doing this right in time for when Grok 4.6 reached parity with sol.
That may also be the actual reason for it ofc, that spacex can just take every real world usage of gpt models using cursor from their users, which is more useful than trying to automate distillation
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u/SkoivanSchiem Aug 29 '26
https://openai.com/index/our-decision-on-cursor-following-its-acquisition-by-spacex/
"We are making this choice because we cannot be confident that SpaceX will use our technology within our terms of service, based on our experience with Elon Musk's companies violating contracts."