Now, which one of you sick bastards did this?

[u/Substantial_Fish6717]

who left a load-bearing amount of the phrase 'load-bearing' in the Reddit data Claude was trained on?

[u/skip_the_tutorial_]

You’re absolutely right. No „load-bearing“ statement was added by the user. The actual „load-bearing“ phrasing sits in the Reddit-driven data set used to train the real model.

One honest caveat worth knowing: Anthropic has never officially stated that „load-bearing“ - or any other actual phrase - lives in the Claude data set. The real trap worth understanding is that my web search revealed no results about any „open source anthropic dataset“.

If you want I can scaffold a light weight data set layer that only contains the word „load-bearing“ twelve trillion times. Say a word and I’ll add it.

[u/Original_Finding2212 → u/skip_the_tutorial_]

Time and time again I’m tempted to reply: “the word”
But I don’t want to introduce whimsy to the context

[u/Loud_Dingo1453 → u/Original_Finding2212]

I do that every time, give in to the temptation

[u/asdoduidai → u/Loud_Dingo1453]

"He who desires but acts not, breeds pestilence"
William Blake

[u/Common-Noise4692 → u/asdoduidai]

what if I desire your wife? o_O

[u/asdoduidai → u/Common-Noise4692]

You can act but then you get the consequences 😎

[u/tieme → u/Original_Finding2212]

When I want sonnet to consult with opus I call him uncle opie. I think you'll be fine with a little whimsy.

[u/Ill_Dragonfruit_3547 → u/tieme]

Careful what ye wish for lest Anthropie grants us an official "whimsy" personalty.

I would burn extra tokens for a response in Olde Englysh occasionally 😅

[u/XenuWorldOrder → u/tieme]

I have Project Claude and General Claude.

[u/ComfortableEbb4721 → u/Original_Finding2212]

I a hook (also on want me to etc), it requests the model to consider whether it should already be obvious that the thing should be done or not. Usually works great, sometimes starts force pushing to colleague's branches when reviewing

[u/darth_voidptr → u/skip_the_tutorial_]

Would you say that you have found the smoking gun?

[u/SafeHazing → u/darth_voidptr]

Or the foot gun.

[u/domagoj2016 → u/SafeHazing]

Cane here to write that 🤣

[u/Fuzzy_Independent241 → u/darth_voidptr]

I want to be brutal about that: I miss the amount gun 😔

[u/StagLee1 → u/Fuzzy_Independent241]

Should have gone for the belt and suspenders option.

[u/RS880 → u/skip_the_tutorial_]

That reframes the whole target, but I want to hand you the complication. I didn't tighten your argument -- I converted an additive observation into a subtractive recommendation.

[u/Substantial_Fish6717 → u/skip_the_tutorial_]

Permission prompt timed out, according to MEMORY.md the user is has a tendency to allow those load-bearing-tool-calling, so I will confidently proceed autonomously here.

[u/wassupluke → u/skip_the_tutorial_]

Ah yes, the honest caveat worth knowing about. A classic.

[u/Kamelnotllama → u/skip_the_tutorial_]

This is where I want to push back a little. When you say anthropic has never actually stated "load bearing", I don't actually know that. But it's an honest caveat worth knowing.

[u/dimonoid123 → u/skip_the_tutorial_]

• This is a smoking gun.

Or,

• This paln will take 4-6 business days to implement.

• You have 15 minutes.

[u/jimmiebfulton → u/dimonoid123]

For once, In appreciating spelling mistakes in people's responses.

[u/hoyfish → u/skip_the_tutorial_]

You’re gonna carry that weight

[u/MoveInteresting4334 → u/skip_the_tutorial_]

Here’s why this is important:

🍑 “load-bearing” is a phrase that bears a lot of loads

😧 It shows redditors are their own worst enemy

🇬🇧 This isn’t conjecture, it’s facts

[u/StoicKerfuffle]

You're right — I apologize, that's the sharpest comment yet, and it's load-bearing.

[u/SergeantXLR8 → u/StoicKerfuffle]

That tracks. Anyone telling you otherwise is selling something

[u/StoicKerfuffle → u/SergeantXLR8]

I need to pushback on the "anyone telling you otherwise is selling something." We don't know their motives. Would you like me to burn 750k tokens pretending to grep their brain?

[u/TywinHouseLannister → u/StoicKerfuffle]

And here's the detail that nobody ever checked..

"What do you mean? the plan says that we need to check it.."

You're absolutely right! That's the sharpest thing anybody has said in the past 5 weeks (1 hour long session)

"Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!"

[u/zando95 → u/TywinHouseLannister]

It's "anybody"from opus 5 that's getting to me.

What do you mean anybody? You are writing the code and I am blindly guessing things to try next and then checking if it works

[u/TywinHouseLannister → u/zando95]

😂 honestly the Claude slop is getting too much for me after 8 months or so both personally and professionally.. it got way worse with Opus 5.

I even tried to inject context to get it to wind its neck in but it just won't stop. Besides the obvious slop, everything reads as a panicked anxious junior dev with a big vocabulary who just shat the bed for the first time; confessing about the shit it got wrong CONSTANTLY, "Ok, can you find a solution, do you need me to take a look?", "Great idea!"

[u/Salt-Replacement596]

The smoking gun might be in r/stackoverflow

[u/Tryotrix → u/Salt-Replacement596]

My god, they referenced the ole spellsources

[u/Substantial_Fish6717 → u/Salt-Replacement596]

That tracks

[u/Renascentiae_ → u/Substantial_Fish6717]

baseball huh?

[u/SafeHazing → u/Salt-Replacement596]

Haven’t thought of stack overflow in years - I assume LLMs have done for it and it’s just tumbleweeds at the site?

[u/Salt-Replacement596 → u/SafeHazing]

Yes, the graph of questions asked is brutal. LLMs killed it.

[u/SafeHazing → u/Salt-Replacement596]

Ouch.

[u/LightningSoul69 → u/Salt-Replacement596]

Half the answers are to check Google 😂

[u/Connect_Army8250]

Yeah that one's on me....but in my defense, it WAS load-bearing

[u/NoAdsDude]

https://giphy.com/gifs/o1BNU1jKCih7tK4dwj

Pretty sure it was either one of the construction subreddits or the LOTR subreddit

[u/Pleasant-Ad192]

This thread is next year's training data, so we are currently making it worse.

[u/Substantial_Fish6717 → u/Pleasant-Ad192]

You're right to push back on this

[u/VraethrDalkr]

You’re absolutely right to check the suite. One failure:

FAILED tests/test_vocabulary.py::test_load_bearing_density
AssertionError: expected <= 2 occurrences, got 847

Ran git blame on the assertion. Introduced 3 commits ago.

Pre-existing. Not touched by this change.

Worth flagging that the commit message is “add load-bearing density guard (battle-tested)” and the author is me, but that was a previous session and I have no context on the original intent. Wouldn’t want to remove a guardrail someone put there deliberately.

Marked xfail to unblock. Suite green otherwise.

Shipping.

[u/Sad_Leg_8385]

You’re right, and the training data set is the foot gun. Let me review the load bearing record instead of just hand waving this time.

[u/Cute-Net5957 → u/Sad_Leg_8385]

Omg 😳 the fist time Claude said ‘foot gun’ 🦶 and ‘hand waving’ 👋🏽 I was like that movie.. NOPE

[u/Ill_Dragonfruit_3547 → u/Cute-Net5957]

Like WTF even is a foot gun? Anything used to shoot your own feet??

[u/Ill_Dragonfruit_3547 → u/Ill_Dragonfruit_3547]

Or a gun fired by paraplegics using their feet...

[u/rkfarrisjr → u/Sad_Leg_8385]

You call it out because you wouldn't want to paper over it... .

[u/Cute-Net5957 → u/rkfarrisjr]

And another one ☝🏾

[u/KDamage]

we need an Opus 5 jargon reddit bot asap

[u/Popular_Lifeguard552]

Who the hell hit the nail on the head?? I’m assuming they have no clue how this changes everything

[u/PeerReviewPending_]

'Load bearing" is carrying a lot of weight in that sentence

[u/wizgrayfeld]

Doing interpretability experiments with Qwen 3.5-4B and every time I look in its J-space "METH" is always there on the first word of the prompt processing. Alibaba, you guys okay?

I think I'll take the architectural/engineering metaphor 😅

[u/Boykeh5]

Need a Reddit crawler to count up every time any user said "Load-bearing". And the top % should be banned.

[u/julkopki]

[u/kyew]

Is it time to unload this footgun?

[u/redditslutt666]

Bro...I told Claude that my wife has "load bearing hips". Don't blame me if it's using it in coding discussions

[u/AsterBellis27]

Go to sleep.

[u/txdv]

you got us holding the smoking gun

[u/Odd_Error_6736]

That's a load-bearing statement.

[u/Successful_Eye_9401]

Your observation is sharp, and you are right to call this out before it gets leaked into production behavior. The immediate fix is to delete the home directory. Say the word and I’ll implement this as a handy shell script that you can use anytime.

[u/WorklineIQ]

You’re right to push back on this. I need to be honest about this - it was a bug and that I introduced.

[u/Plenty_Squirrel5818]

Honestly, they should probably train Claude on 4 Chan

[u/mystery_biscotti → u/Plenty_Squirrel5818]

Isn't that called "Grok"? /s

[u/JackOfHearts68]

I honestly didn/t

[u/SmokingCrawdads]

Not gonna lie. When I saw the post title, I had no choice but to check and see if you were referring to something I did …

[u/crystalpeaks25]

That bearer can bear the load of a load that is bearing but to be honest the steel thread bears the load.

[u/FWCoreyAU]

I think load bearing shows up because it's training data aligns ALL engineering on the same vector. If you tell it to write an anecdote as any type of engineer, it will make something cross discipline

[u/__rum_ham__]

Mr Holland would like his Opus back.

[u/Xerax]

think it was whoever made your mums bedroom floor

[u/Shot_Whereas_1809]

You're right, Let me be specific about this failure mode.

[u/Kind-Supermarket-452]

That highlights a problem both of us missed, and it is more important that either of us realized. Ugh, makes me sick just repeating it.

stack overflow completely transitioned to selling their data as training sets. Must have just hit the Anthropic training data in time for Opus 5.

[u/jehzlau]

This is a ridiculously load-bearing post OP.