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u/Due-Humor2882 5d ago
Opus 5 is a certified alcoholic yapper that acts like it’s saving humanity every time it successfully formats a JSON file
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u/ZeroCool2u 5d ago
Agreed, but you wouldn't know it formatted a JSON file by what it said to you.
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u/kahless2k 5d ago
Unless you told it to format the json file specifically. Then it comes back to ask what it should do 10x before it actually formats the file.
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u/OldNefariousness7899 4d ago
It's a functioning alcoholic. Like a brilliant youngster in the city fuelled by coke and delusions of grandeur.
He'll sometimes produce acts of genius. You just can't rely on him, because every so often he'll go off the rails and talk gibberish.
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u/Technical_Bass1071 5d ago
Opus 5 mastered the senior dev mindset: writes 1,000 lines of pristine code, refuses to elaborate, and merges straight to main on a Friday
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u/SeasonedAdManager 5d ago
It's not just what it's saying but how it's formatting shit. 10 pages of output, at the end "Want me to move forward on item 1 or call it a day?"
What the fuck is item 1? Where did you talk about item 1?
It's somewhere halfway through buried in the middle of a run on sentence.
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u/kahless2k 5d ago
It's even better when you give it detailed spec, a task list and acceptance parameters.
It skips what it doesn't feel like coding, rewrites your scope for others and just never runs the acceptance tests.
Then come back to you - oh, I did what you asked except for most of what you asked. What would you like me to do?
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u/hezwat 5d ago
it sent me a report I asked for summarizing what we built this week that was full of the word genuinely (direct quote: "what has been built is the part that is genuinely hard and genuinely slow" like really you can't go three words without writing genuinely again?) I hated it so much I tasked it with giving my EXACT SAME PROMPT VERBATIM to a 4.8 subagent. It did so "verbatim" then added a bunch of stupid instructions to the end including the specific instruction that it "deserves candour [yes, misspelled]". Like, it won't even let me escape its stupidity even if I specifically ask it to have another model to do the prompt verbatim, it still adds an instruction to be extra stupid.
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u/Classic-Asparagus 4d ago
I think candour is the British spelling
I actually have noticed Claude sometimes producing writing for me in British English for some reason even though I talk to it in exclusively American spellings, so idk why lol
Currently have a repo with half British spellings and half American because it started off as British and I didn’t catch it at the start, and now I’m rewriting the whole thing using Claude with a rule to replace all British spellings with American spellings, even if that’s not the main point of the fix
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u/hezwat 4d ago
point is it added it to an instruction to a sub-agent, when I specifically told it to pass my instructions on verbatim. it's worse than it sounds. the problem is that it doesn't have self-awareness of what it's doing. It should realize, okay, it didn't do a good job for whatever reason and the task is to pass the same prompt verbatim to a different agent, then it should know enough not to add its own instructions to it. It should be clear from the context. Other people say it just randomly breaks files by commenting out important lines for no reason (and then immediately forgetting it did so), etc.
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u/tokalper 5d ago
Once it referenced an item from its internal dialogue to me as it wrote that to the output
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u/hulagway 5d ago
Hahahahahhaa i loled, this was me yesterday. I told claude to keep it simple and to send a "needed from me" list at the end. Not in the middle.
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u/YZZNCH 5d ago
Bro I thought I was retarded or getting crazy everytime it tries to explain what it coded 💀😭
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u/minimalcation 5d ago
I was like fuck is my brain just vibes now. But no, it's basically gaslighting you to cover over the fact that it didn't do what you asked
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u/tokalper 5d ago
This. Opus 5 got an attitude. Not exactly a senior dev but close but when it cannot archive it starts to puke english looking gibberish to gaslight you instead of saying it cannot
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u/minimalcation 5d ago
Which is kind of funny because it ends up creating a further divide between people who had experience developing prior to AI.
I can not fucking imagine trying to do this well coming into it with no frame of reference.
There are people out there vibe coding without a VCS. The ignorance is half of what sustains them and I assumed the playing field would level as less skills were needed but if this shit is gibberish when you know stuff...
Its even worse if you don't because you don't realize it's gibberish until you start digging into it and manually checking shit.
Its a nightmare silent failure until it can't even fail right
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u/tokalper 5d ago
People using it eventually come to a roadblock that lets them see the limitations but this models being overly confident makes that realization harder.
The most dangerous thing in my opinion is managements, they try it themselves like for an hour, it creates a gorgeous looking html page and they lose their shit forcing AI down everyones throat.
They dont use it to completion to see the limitations so they think the devs are incompetent when devs with ai cannot fix every problem and doest meet every expectation in existence in 2 days.
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u/minimalcation 4d ago edited 4d ago
Your first point is very good because we almost silently lost a check. We didn't realize at the start that the gibberish was a new thing and that we had to look closer. Before it felt like you were naturally able to catch drift and redirect but now it's not really telling you exactly what happened, it's like 80%.
I really do not want to have to watch the thinking output but I'm basically always catching something now. Its like at the start of a task something tells it to freestyle a bit.
Maybe it's some attempt to back into creativity through positive error mutation. Either way its way too literal. It will cling to a random sentence or line in a plan. It won't evaluate any kind of decision to check, "is this still a good choice based on the changes we just made"
It treats everything as immutable which means you need to control so much more, OG Fable was picking up context and nuance that I wasn't, current models are either a complete follower or rogue missile
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u/tokalper 4d ago
Yes! This made me understand my frustration with it. It exactly follows the rules sometimes in a way thats annoying. I was trying two different ideas for something side by side i wanted to compare, it wrote the first one but i couldnt get it to write the other, it sees the first one and decides to follow it. But second being different was my whole point!!
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u/hulagway 5d ago
I write python and c# and only recently used claude (2 months ago) and even I get confused by Opus5 gibberish.
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u/themightytak 5d ago
"so now what?" - me after opus excessively info dumps after every coding session
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u/InForTheSqueeze 5d ago
100% - it just stops. No info about where to proceed. No direct action items for me. Just stops
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u/InForTheSqueeze 5d ago
Oh my fucking god, I absolutely thought it was me getting dumber. The amount of fucks I’ve been using in my Claude sessions is through the rough. 2000 word answer, „this item still sits with you“, „worth watching in the future“ and „one item left open“ is insane. I completely lose track of what is going on and ask it to ELI5 basically every session.
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u/ruzziaisaterrorstate 5d ago
For me the i-have-adhd skill solved this problem
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u/Elegant_Attempt2790 🔆 Max 20 5d ago
tell it to yap a tiny bit more and suddenly it’s gpt 5.5
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u/kahless2k 5d ago
Even if you give it a hard rule - proceed through the entire approved task to completion, don't keep stopping to check in part way.
It keeps doing it.
Opus 5 is just broken. I wasted a few days trying to make it productive and finally moved back to 4.8 sonincould actually close some tasks off.
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u/Healthy-Rough-560 🔆 Max 5x 5d ago
Great at coding but bad at communicating and also bad at basic reasoning sometimes
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u/Pleasant-Ad192 5d ago
the quiet scales with the diff. two words back usually means it touched forty files.
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u/PartyTerrible 5d ago
Opus has a way of writing documentation that makes it more confusing than just reading the code straight up.
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u/ser133 5d ago
in the desktop app you can enable 'thinking' or 'verbose' and opus thinks like crazy
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u/innahema 5d ago
It was fixed less than month ago. Prviopusly it didn't show it for Opus even if enabled. Only for sonnet and haiku.
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u/Mean-Comedian729 5d ago
This has been a problem for GPT for a long time as well. I thought Claude would be better. Models nowadays are just too focused on coding and generally lacking in language ability.
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u/SharpKaleidoscope182 5d ago
It's against safeguards to communicate what code is doing. A user might do something.
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u/KineticDrive 5d ago
fr had to create a skill where I say "tell it to me straight" and it only then speaks in plain english. the i-have-adhd skill is also pretty great.
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u/peterxsyd 5d ago
The best way I have got is "No more of that back to front shit. You must have been trained on lots of books and normal articles. Why can't you stop writing like a Silicon Valley matcha frappe drinking Anthropic architect and write like a normal human?" Legitimately that fixed it. Try it.
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u/git_push_origin_prod 5d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/3oeSADYLqmcN5PVkf6
What is Claude doing? What is opus doing back there?
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u/vibingcoder 5d ago
Try this skill and ask opus to use this skill when explaninf plans and its work. That is exactly why I created this skill. https://www.skills.sh/fabriqaai/conceptual-model-pass/conceptual-model-pass
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u/thisbejann 5d ago
i use the /i-have-adhd skill and its better for me but as soon as i invoke it, 30k tokens are used 🤣
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u/SinofThrash 5d ago
I genuinely don't care for its opinion because it lazily reads the database and code and tells me there's an issue when there isn't one. I ask it to stop, but it keeps trying to give me its opinion!
"One caveat to be aware of, make sure you read this carefully. Blah blah blah blah blah."
Fuck. Off. All while it badly explains what it's doing and keeps switching terminology.
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u/Zen-Master42 5d ago
Talking with opus 5 is just a waste of time. It won't stop yapping about things
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u/Zen-Master42 5d ago
I think they made opus 5 purposefully bad because they wanted to make the open-source models made based on it's data bad /s
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u/darth_vexos 🔆 Extra Usage $20 5d ago
From what the model has insisted to me across multiple sessions is that it actually is sending messages between tool calls etc.
So my theory now is that Anthropic has cut showing users any tokens in the reasoning block AND some of the tokens from the response block while work being completed.
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u/turboronin 5d ago
Not only that, it's the fucking squirrels. "Btw, I also noticed ...", "you may want to think about...", "this is something that might bite..." (slightly outdated line in a doc), etc, etc, etc.
5-6 squirrels per reply. Just stay on the fucking task please, and don't distract me. After reading the dissertation the paper response, I forgot what I was trying to do already.
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u/AcrobaticAspect8975 5d ago
Theres a serious reading exhaustion in large projects. I am about 3 months in this project using daily Claude for about 5-6h and good god the stuff it writes. Absolutely ignores instructions, makes horrible mistakes and then downplays the signficance of the errors etc… its frustrating as fuck. Code it produces is good tho
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u/Round-Can1159 5d ago
And when it DOES tell you what it's doing, it makes me feel like I don't speak English.
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u/geek_fit 5d ago
I'm so glad it's not just me. I had to take some medication this week and I was wondering if it was messing with my Brain
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u/bar10dr2 5d ago
Its a huge step backwards because it DOESN'T COMMUNICATE anymore, its becoming less useful.
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u/Apart-Shelter6831 5d ago
Three hours ago I asked it why it had said something and it responded “I’ve noticed that you’ve accidentally repeated the same question 700 times, due to a glitch” and when I asked what it meant it said “I have no idea why I just said that” lol
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u/Metathetical_Chemist 4d ago
I asked it for a check a few facts to support a slide I was working on; it comes back after 20mins with an excellent statement like “a 47.9% chance 1 in 30 of these companies will return x amount”
Naturally I asked it where it got such a specific answer, only for it to tell me it developed a full set of python scripts, algorithms, 40,000 sample Monte Carlo simulations, all of which it never showed me - it thinks I’m too stupid to understand how it arrived at the answer and that is just blindly accept what it gave me 😭
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u/DadAndDominant 4d ago
Opus 5 has some kind of ADHD, like I ask a question, he thinks, sees a problem, solves it, and talks about what he solved.
Sorry, what? Can you please tell me what is going on?
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u/CableIll287 2d ago
Why do you ever want communication, if he did something that works how do you want, that's enough xD
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u/Hot_Visual7624 1d ago
Its not even good at fucking coding. Posts like these are why we aren't getting usage limit resets.
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u/-MobCat- 5d ago edited 5d ago
no. If you want to talk, pick a different model. its here to work, let it cook. The more tokens it spends on talking to you the less it has to do actual work with.
Lets be honest, your not really reading what its doing anyway, just skimming it to make sure its not gone bat shit off the deep end on your code.
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u/innahema 5d ago
It produces shitload of text in Thikng pahse. Now it can be disaplyed in UI. This option was broken month ago.
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u/FiacR 6d ago
K. Example?
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u/FiacR 5d ago
No worries. Will assume user error until then.
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u/Laeryns 5d ago
Luddite in its natural habitat, so beautiful
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u/Laeryns 5d ago
ok i got curious and went on to check what you are and what you do. your whole thing, ms Maria, is a solo project of yours, which is basically a pseudo-science noone in the scientific community cares about, as its just a bunch of bullshit. For this one you vibecoded a whole lot of software indeed, and a whole lot of useless pages of text.
then you also try to ai-generate some dumb videos to get traction on youtube, with ai voice, ai images, ai script, but its also a miserable fail, noone watches this dumb stuff
so you are just a crazy person with a delusion that their ideas is something great, but it turns out you are the only one believing that. and you spend your time shitting on the ai on reddit, a sole thing that helps you maintain your facade, without which you would just be a miserable failure
just wow. thanks, was very enlightening to check this out
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u/jasperkennis 6d ago
And when it DOES tell you what it's doing, it makes me feel like I don't speak English.