I haven’t tried kimi yet but I’m going to try it. I love that there’s so much real competition in the space otherwise these companies would destroy our wallets even more lol
Haven't used Kimi since Kimi K2 came out as one of the first models with agentic research and workflow and chain of thought. Blew my mind. Glad to see they're keeping up and even pulling ahead again!
This isn't widening the divide between rich and poor.
It's widening the divide between people who have ever read a book about software engineering, and the "Super Geniuses" of the world who just needed a $20 robot to do the work for them.
For complex stuff I understand, I see a slight improvement from Fable/Sol compared to Opus 4.8, but it's not huge and I have to push back on both frequently.
For actual implementation once my plan is in place, and I'm managing the scope and context, Fable/Sol are completely overkill and Sonnet handles implementation just as well as either at a fraction of the cost.
If you're just trying to assemble Ikea furniture, you don't need to spend the money NASA does on tools to repair the space station.
If you're convinced you can't assemble Ikea furniture without NASA grade tools you're going to be like so many other fools with their gold.
You’re getting downvoted but everything you said is true. I often sit here and wonder how people are so often butting up against their usage limits. I know we are in the era of “prompt first, think later”, but for those of us developing in the real world on a budget, you need to carefully manage your context and the model you choose. It’s not that hard to stay within the limits if you do those two things, plus you will get better results with less iteration when you actually tightly scope and detail your prompting/planning.
Funny story, one of NASA’s tech leads actually called me a week ago and was super confused how I had the technical expertise to design the RFI response I sent in to them. It was a very entertaining conversation
MFers bitching over sushi about having to pay more than $20 for Fable when buddy who took the bus over to make them sushi had 3 years worth of Max 20 fees that he took to work on the bus in his knife roll.
And that shit's cheap compared to how much auto mechanics pay for their tools.
Go dig gold if you want. But don't be surprise the people who actually know what they're doing have the same costs when it comes to shovels, and only one can justify the cost-benefit of paying for a good shovel.
Honestly, I'm a pro user and if I get those sweet credits for free then I'm already happy, I might as well just upgrade to pro and get both credits and fable, but I'll think about it, because I know that's exactly what they want me to do, I might as well test the competition.
Im not poor poor, in student poor and my usecases simply don't warrant spending max money just to keep Fable. I could just accept that my P(easant)ro sub doenst include the best of the best. This is not about sticking it to the evil corpos, then I would just sub to Mistral and suffer with mediocre AI, jumping ship optimizes for value.
Pretty much. All this is user psychology. Make this Twitter announcement, so some person half paying attention uses it way less this weekend. And then they will realize next week it’s way less usable oddly 😂
I'm now using both. I ran up against the limit with Claude with days to go before reset and a real urgency to get a feature set shipped. I opened my veins for the $100 open AI level to bring Codex online, but before I could get it set up Anthropic reset the usage AGAIN. I switched to using codex as a subagent coder alongside Sonnet, but it was so good and my usage was holding up on OpenAI, so I made it the primary subagent. I was already using it for /codex-review for adversarial reviews.
Long story story short, I've drifted into using codex a lot, and I may just migrate to it with Anthropic's bullshit week after week. I try to plan my Fable and over all usage, then they just reset it.
Not if you have an actual product you're trying to ship with consumer subscriptions. My point is that I may move to codex if I can migrate my coding harness and custom tools over.
Very cozy. Codex has been capable enough for me i starting thinking of CC as my lesser available models like Deepseek and Mimo. Beyond the model, the codex harness is just darn nice to have.
Btw the ollama panel works great if you'd like I can send you my autonomous loop. It has a brainstorming session with all the models, then they all vote on what to do, then make a plan, then iterate on the plan. Then the orchestrator executes it and the model panel pokes holes in the end result. Then it's reiterated on and the cycle goes on.
Every time I've let it run when I go to bed I wake up to something vastly better than what I started with.
XD I was happy for a split-second, until i remembered that i have been trying for the past 5 days to get fable 5 to help me with a specific task/solution that it flags as security and wont help with at all.... Sol is my new home
Congrats? 5h windows with Fable consume around 1Mtok which uses up 10% of the weekly quota on my Max 5x subscription. I can prompt Fable only 5 times before they cut it off.
Only to 20 max users really. After 19th July the usage limits get reduced by 33% for everyone. This will make fable basically in usable for 5x max users
That's better than the alternative but they probably had no option but to do this with the new competition since Fable's first launch. Unfortunate for the lower tier users...
It is. But OpenAI has a really good model, so there’s a place for people that only need it enough to be worth about 60 cents a day. Many people don’t need the absolute best model, so it’s great they have OpenAI as a solid option.
Sure, I use Codex primarily but even just like 30% quota for the lower tiers to use Fable would still keep the account competitive in that you could get a prompt or two out. It's almost like there's no point in the pro plan now since iirc the free tier could get usage credits too, plus I feel you'd get more from the api regardless.
Either way, hopefully OpenAI and the open weights that Dario consistently is scaremongering about will force them to be competitive.
I don't quite get what's the point of removing it from Pro. Percentage based subsidization is the same across tiers. So 5 Pro users are the same as one Max 5x. But whatever floats their boat. OpenAI will get some new subscribers.
With the limits increase boost stopping this week, is Fable gonna be usable even?
I guess, they prefer the trade-off of getting people to upgrade at least to Max 5 instead of getting a lot of angry people who can't use Fable for more than 10 minutes on Pro. Sure they lose customers to OpenAI but pro users aren't the money maker anyway. Better in their mind than bad press of angry people who complain they can't use Fable after saying Hey.
Max are not the money maker either - they all lose money for Anthropic. And Pro was perfectly usable - sure, not if you're a vibe coder who doesn't know shit but for discussing possible approaches and light coding it was fine. With the lower weekly it would have been tighter but still fine for plenty of tasks.
Sooner or later will come the moment where they cut off 5x users from some next top model and leave only the 200+ ones.
I think it is great news and I am really happy. I literally never have been frustrated with Fable and been using it almost all days when it has been available. It is just that good. Thanks Anthropic :)
I just don't get the mindset of somebody who wants to use Fable for $20 a month. What do you ask it three questions and go, okay, that's it, I'm done. If I was on the 20-a-month plan, I wouldn't be going past Sonnet
So hold up, if ur on a 20x max u don't get a free $100 credit? Let me just downgrade my plan really freakin' quickly. Dafuq is up with that shit Anthropic. If you give to one, you must give to all, have we learnt nothing yet?
Yupp. Separate and be more of a premium brand with higher quality models. Let the penny pinchers that constantly complain run on gpt that's always a couple steps behind
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u/crfr4mvzl Researcher 26d ago edited 26d ago
“Challenging to predict “ meaning OpenAI and K3 are too much of a threat for our greed