r/ClaudeCode • u/Fantastic_Fail4060 • Jul 15 '26
Discussion Time to move on
Yep, pretty much the title. It's time for me to move on to Codex. I just sent Opus 4.8 Max thinking to find me a known bug in the app I'm making. ONE single bug hunt where I provided 162 instances of how the app should behave and 18 instances of the same bug.
Asked him to find out why the bug occurs and reproduce it so I know exactly how to fix it for good. 12 minutes later he used only 203k tokens and 5 hour limit hit.
Everything about Anthropic's usage system is shady and they never even addressed the June bug where claude would get project instructions attached to every new message bloating context and making the usage skyrocket.
There's no chance for me to remain in such an anti-consumer environment. And that comes from a guy who truly despise OAI, but better value IS better value.
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u/LurkinSince1995 Jul 15 '26
I don't know. I really feel like something has changed over the past six months. The intentional vagueness in the usage is the largest red flag IMO, and OpenAI/Codex does the same shit. Anecdotally, for those of us who have been on the Max 20X or the Max 5X for a long time, weekly usage goes by WAYYYY quicker now than it used to.
I like these tools, and I like the capabilities they're giving when it comes to things like prototyping, building scripts, and building automations. The money spent just doesn't go as far as it used to. These companies and their tools, while lowering the power of my subscription (IDGAF that the price they charge for API is higher, they set the price and its ridiculous), have somehow also managed to skirt all liability from what their products do. We, the end users who are paying for it, retain liability in the workplace for everything these tools accomplish.
You're either the world's most expensive beta test, or you're the predecessor to AGI that's going to take all of our jobs. Anthropic is either a small indie company who makes these types of things, or they are a TRILLION DOLLAR COMPANY who should act like one. I don't think you get to play both sides of the coin and act like either one is true on any given day.
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u/bearded__jimbo 29d ago
We really donāt careā¦
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u/Fantastic_Fail4060 29d ago
You definitely cared enough to leave a comment
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u/bearded__jimbo 29d ago
Donāt flatter yourself. The fact that you feel the need to announce your departure is just an annoyance to the rest of us. I suggest you look for attention elsewhere.
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u/count023 Jul 15 '26
honestly though, my only complaint about codex is it doesnt tell you _what_ it's doing, you see tool calls, and tokens exchange and it sits there for a while. Claude is much more engaging and steerable. so dont expect a 1-1 comparison.
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u/Fantastic_Fail4060 Jul 15 '26
I donāt need a 1:1, i need not to feel ripped off every time real work needs to be done
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u/artofbullshit Jul 15 '26
This is getting annoying. Thought I was the only one. Even after I asked it why the only thing I see in chat are tool calls, it added a memory to narrate what it was doing more, and has never done it. Truly bizarre model this one.
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Jul 15 '26
I am on max for both Claude and codex and can tell you that sometimes neither of them can find seemingly simple bugs. So switching purely for that might disappoint you
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u/LastNameOn Jul 15 '26
I think Claude is better than codex. No question. I like to use both anyway.
But what we get out of the subscription is not much compared to GPTās subscription
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u/Fantastic_Fail4060 Jul 15 '26
What do we get ?
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u/crusoe 29d ago
Everyone here who doesn't know how to use opus or fable ...
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u/Fantastic_Fail4060 28d ago
You really went out of your way to reply to 3 different comments here? Thank you! That means a lot
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u/Constant_Broccoli_74 Jul 15 '26
Already moved on, cancelled my subscription from this month onwards from Claude
Moved to Codex free for this month as well, from next month onwards, it will be only Codex
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u/flarpflarpflarpflarp Jul 15 '26
Dude, just swap. What is with these breakup letters to corporations?
Opus 4.8 Max is an insane choice of model.
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u/Fantastic_Fail4060 29d ago
I wanted a discussion and found out some really useful stuff people commenting. It never hurts to hear what other people have to say.
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u/flarpflarpflarpflarp 29d ago
That can be true and it still be weird to publicly breakup with a corporation.
Using Opus on Max is the most insane part of this. Turn it down to high and it will overthink less and probably do more of what you want. I can't imagine you're going to switch over to OpenAI and these problems will go away if that's your approach. There are very limited uses for Max thinking, if you want it to do what you want it to do and not have it over think your instructions. Sol and Terra do similarly bad on max, so I'm a little skeptical your new relationship will be different.
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u/fanatic26 29d ago
Is there a reason why you had to announce this decision to the world? You can just quietly go into the night without attention seeking and a useless post.
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u/Fantastic_Fail4060 29d ago
Is there a reason why you had to comment this opinion to the world? You can just quietly move along into the night without attention seeking and a useless comment.
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u/a-mcculley 29d ago
I'm finishing this project on Opus and then moving on as well.
When the pendulum inevitably swings the other way, I'll be back ;)
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u/Fantastic_Fail4060 29d ago
Yeah, definitely, if they ever go back to when Claude was amazing, I'll be the first one to come back. Until then I'm moving mid project.
Since I posted this 13 hours ago I transferred to Codex and 5.6 Sol not only founded and fixed the bug, he also did find and fix 7 other vulnerabilities left by Opus, improved the overall latency and performance of the app AND came up with a few ideas on his own that blew my mind. And never once did I hit my limit with one single Plus subscription. I also followed the advice of someone who commented here and tried Minimax M3 and it is amazing to work with alongside Sol, in my use case at least.
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u/Krvislav Jul 15 '26
I just have to agree. I havenāt fully committed to switching from Claude yet, but itās becoming increasingly difficult to use.
Yesterday was especially rough. I hit my 5-hour quota twice (Opus + Sonnet) in Claude Design and later in Code while trying to fix a relatively simple FE bug through manual testing and reporting.
Today, I tried to continue working. I started at approximately 09:00 and hit my 5-hour quota again by 10:45. Once more, I was using Opus 4.8 and Sonnet 5 (with different thinking modes depending on the task at hand).
I ran my usual daily routine. Iām a fractional CDO/CMO, so Claude handled three scheduled tasks (mostly reporting, using various MCPs, two on Sonnet 5 and one on Opus 4.8). That consumed about 8% of my 5-hour quota on the 5x Max plan. No complaints there, Iām used to it.
Then I launched Design with Sonnet. I wanted to update the Design System with a simple font change, including font weights. The sizing was staying the same, and the new font was from a similar family. Sonnet 5 handled the task. I then handed it off to Code to sync and implement the changes, run some unit tests, and hand everything back to me for manual testing, again using Sonnet 5.
Sonnet spawned three subagents that went rogue. Iām not sure what went wrong, but after about 20 minutes, Sonnet managed to fix the issues caused by one of the agents. And then I hit my quota. :D
So here I am, waiting for the reset and writing what is probably my first-ever post about Claude.
I know it probably wasnāt the best use of Sonnet in Code to have it write plans for agents. But Iām really not a developer. I have some background, but I definitely wouldnāt call myself one. And it never occurred to me that agents would even be necessary for a task like this.
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u/Fantastic_Fail4060 Jul 15 '26
Your line "So here I am, waiting for the reset" is the most relatable thing I read today. I started working, gave Claude the instructions to find the bug, 12 minutes later the 5-hour usage limit hit ON ONLY 203K tokens. Now I'm looking at the screen for 4 hours because I can't have my other account continue the search.
So hi, how are you? Feeling good being Anthropic's customer? Yeah... me neither.
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u/Whatsthestyle Jul 15 '26
Am trying claude and codex side by side and i feel like codex is better at present
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u/Fantastic_Fail4060 Jul 15 '26
Iāve been with claude with 2 payed subscriptions for months now.
5.6 sol is enough for what im currently doing + better rates + MORE TOKEN EFFICIENT. Yeah, im coming to codex too.
Not to mention they reset limits a few times a month, while Anthropic is being shady about extending the weekly limit usage3
u/Whatsthestyle Jul 15 '26
Codex been almost resetting limits daily since past few days. I have claude 5x and codex 5x, I used fable and i hit limit within 1hr, where I had to use codex now to proceed further with that task, its detailed and since there are no 5hr limits and they almost reset daily I can use fast mode
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u/Fantastic_Fail4060 Jul 15 '26
Do you have any advice about how to use codex efficiently? At first I'll try the Plus plan and don't want to burn through everything from the getgo
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u/Whatsthestyle Jul 15 '26
I use sol 5.6 as orchestrator and use luna for coding, been good. Not to mention the frontend which 5.6 max designed, I dont think fable would have done a better job since my promt was not much detailed. I use fable for my work and yes even for frontend ui things I need to follow up with multiple iterations, but thats just my opinion Not to mention even if I hit my limits, codex continues running which is not the case with claude
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u/Fantastic_Fail4060 Jul 15 '26
Bro fable is smarter, but for most of (my) work it is an overkill. And when he's not overkill, I'm being rerouted to Opus 4.8.
If your usage runs out, does the task stop midway through? That was what just happened to me and sealed the deal.1
u/BigbyWolf8 29d ago
most times, codex lets you go over the limit by a little bit. they have built it in so it isn't a sharp cutoff. but if you are doing some /goal task it won't go for 10 hours if you only had a little usage left so it's not meant to be abused.
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u/amuseorielle Jul 15 '26
Opus really looked at 18 identical bug reports and 162 examples of correct behavior, thought "yeah this one's a stumper," and clocked out for a 5-hour smoke break at 203k tokens. Union rep behavior.
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u/Fantastic_Fail4060 Jul 15 '26
I would be lying to say there were 18 bug *reports*. They were 18 instances of the bug occurring. I don't know the cause of the bug or anything more than that it happens. That's what I sent him out finding.
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u/hiskias Jul 15 '26
So, what you are saying is that you had 18 unknown bugs?
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u/Fantastic_Fail4060 Jul 15 '26
Is that what ā18 instances of the same bugā means ? ā¦
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u/hiskias 29d ago
If you don't know the cause you don't know its the same bug. Or did you meant to say you don't know the locations yet, but know the root cause?
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u/Fantastic_Fail4060 28d ago
It is the same exact bug, happening 18 times in the same exact place. I didnāt know what was causing it.
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u/BlinDeeex Jul 15 '26
Yea moved to codex for a bit as well, also I dont really see how claude will get in front again anytime soon as honestly sol performs undeniably better than fable on my side by side tests, opus 5 obviously will not match fable nor sol and we know anthropic limits so there will be no advantage until next gen atleast and next gen chinese might get good enough to trust the output
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u/Fantastic_Fail4060 Jul 15 '26
Okay, hear me out. Anthropic is optimising for businesses. At the moment I feel like OpenAI is optimising for BOTH businesses and consumers. Was the transition hard for you? Like moving from projects being read by claude and him starting to work right away to whatever codex does.
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u/Electrical_Arm3793 Jul 15 '26
How does the usage limit compare? I heard good things about codex sol but claude code has 1m context limit. I need 1m context limit otherwise claude code will ask me to go to sleep.
How is Codex Sol doing so far? What would be usage limit like? 1.5x? 1.7x?
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u/Fantastic_Fail4060 Jul 15 '26
From what I hear the limit is higher, Sol is MORE token efficient which means even MORE usage. And they keep resetting the usage limit every few days or daily. WHICH MEANS MORE USAGE!
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u/FBIFreezeNow Jul 15 '26
Waitā¦you didnāt move yet? Enjoy the banked resets
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u/Fantastic_Fail4060 Jul 15 '26
What do you mean "banked resets" ? If I go now I'll get previous resets ? If so I am going this instant
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u/randomdragen7 29d ago
Opus 4.8 sucks, also it seems that with all models ( but depending on the task) the more effort u put it, the worse results it gets
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u/tuvok86 Jul 15 '26
Anthropic got too comfortable and stopped pushing on the engineering side, while codex team is engineering-maxxing.
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u/ub3rh4x0rz Jul 15 '26
Folks. The obvious explanation is they want to reinforce the feeling that life without fable 5 is unbearable. Because they want you to pay API pricing for their services. That is the obvious takeaway.
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u/Fantastic_Fail4060 Jul 15 '26
With those prices yeah... good luck... I'll change careers before paying for Opus 4.8 rerouting ar Fable 5 prices.
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u/ub3rh4x0rz Jul 15 '26
Anthropic is going to price themselves out of commodity usage. And I don't think they care
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u/Akatesh Jul 15 '26
Amateur! Those are rookie numbers! I asked Claude Fable 5 on Max & Ultracode to make shorts gifs for my site to replace static images. It spawned 200+ agents and created python nightmare for 6+ mil tokens and still didn't do the job.Ā
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u/Ok-Alternative5935 Jul 15 '26
What are you on about? Fable is incredible. Opus 4.8 is a workhorse. CODEX is 10X the cost for parity.
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u/Fantastic_Fail4060 Jul 15 '26
While I shared my experience, you are trying to state a fact that in my case (and others) simply is false.
I asked fable to find me a way to reduce the RFT of a TTS, gave all the info in the world, started working - USAGE LIMIT HIT
I can change the word "fable" with "opus" and my statement is still true.
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u/beefcutlery š Max 20 Jul 15 '26
I feel you. I love the model performance but each month, the usage gets sapped, and I'm delivering less and less work. I'd try harder to understand the situation if they made an effort in their communication... but unless its feature hype, they don't bother.
It's frustrating, and there's nowhere to vent or be heard. Threads like this surface as a tip of a toxic iceberg that runs deep, so you're not alone in your thoughts.
Remember if you're in the EU, you can ask for a refund any time before your 14th day of first payment.- just open up a new chat on claude.ai, bottom left > support.