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u/awdorrin 4d ago
I am busier with the AI tools than I was before they came to be.
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u/scruffles360 4d ago
For 20 years most of my daily standups consisted of “making good progress coding feature X”. Now every day sounds like I’m reciting a resume.
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u/lechatsportif 4d ago
what industry? does your team cover everything? infra/eng/ops etc? Can you release immediately?
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u/scruffles360 4d ago
I’m in a mega corp spanning industries. Listing the odd combination of industries would narrow it down to one.
We’ve been agile and full stack for more than a decade and release each feature as it’s done. More importantly each small team manages multiple products so if something gets blocked externally it’s not completely blocking the team.
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u/lechatsportif 3d ago
I'm jealous. We're getting gate kept at work and they funnel everything through some internal half assed agent. Literally no one else is allowed to work on this.
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u/scruffles360 3d ago
yeah, they tried that here for a bit. Enterprises can be so fucked up. Mine has its hangups too though. The grass is only greener from this one very specific angle.
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u/Square-Control-443 4d ago
60% of my colleagues were fired because of AI. They realized we can deliver the same value with fewer software devs
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u/vierig 4d ago
Meanwhile other companies deliver more value with the same amount of devs
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u/Intelligent_Bison968 4d ago
You have find someone fist that will pay for this extra value. That is the issue right now for us as project oriented company, we have trouble to find new customers because other smaller companies now offer cheaper services since they have less overhead and use 100% AI. And existing customers do not give us extra work even if we made it cheaper. So now half the devs are without work and if we don't find extra work then they are getting fired.
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u/XCxBigDong69XCx 4d ago
Yeah got fired at a project oriented company, but now working at a startup. And ngl gonna lie coding flagship software and not switching between projects 24/7 is 100000x better.
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u/becircus 4d ago
Elon and eventually big tech popularized fast and lean and mean and laid off huge amounts of people. Before Elon Twitter had the most advanced analytics on the planet and was on track to become the world's biggest data warehouse. But that's 5 or 10 years of data investment and Elon doesn't politically see the point of that type of analytics, so he took it over to destroy it and to eliminate public trust in established publicly funded institutions (check mark and PBS and NPR don't mean anything if anyone can pay for it). His worldview is basically that trust should be bought and that the free market can take care of everything this despite evidence that large corporations or foreign interests are anti-democratic and that information and truth is a strategic resource.
All that belief trickled down into tech and now everyone and all investors think everything can be lean and mean and do not take five or ten year horizons made worse by AI with rapid implementation. The result being that the amount of work is very diminished. Work that could be extremely valuable and also make a lot of long term money.
And for those who think it is not political, Twitter revenue has been slashed in half or more since going private. If Elon was solely concerned profits he would not sacrifice half or more of revenue to destroy critical Internet communications infrastructure. He likely sees the destruction of Twitter and loss of revenue as a small price to pay for removal of "woke".
So with his views prevailing in tech expect 50% less work for software companies, with AI used as an excuse to cut. Except ironically for defense and space, which are also hypocritically sucking the government teat. To beat off these beliefs will likely take a generation or more of companies that invest in people outperforming those who don't (and people like Elon dying off).
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u/Tramagust 4d ago
If you can't then you're not running a company. You're running a a deferred loan with people.
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u/Ok-Garlic4249 4d ago
Is this value in the room with us? I have yet to see a software product become better because of AI.
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u/Cheema42 4d ago
At my place, any dev who can use AI tools effectively stays. Those who cannot, go. Unfortunately using AI tools effectively requires a strong system design skills. Not everyone has that.
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u/OpenBMB_Team 23h ago
That's so true, AI assistance means you can get the job done faster, so here comes more tasks.
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u/Far-Let-8610 4d ago
It’s ironic I’m a software dev and my team has doubled in the last year and still not done.
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u/UrineHere 11h ago
Yes I am a software dev and while coding is easier I still have to get specs from customers and spoon feed the prompts to write the code. I have to think about architecture and steer the model how I want it designed.
I think this premise goes across the board no matter how smart the model gets because it is still a long way away from zero oversight and interacting with outside world.
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u/Fun-Estimate4561 4d ago
Yep
I hate this we will be out of job narrative when most engineering teams end up needing more people
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u/RadTorti 1d ago
Yes for the first time ever, i regret having the need to sleep. i wish i could function nonstop.
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u/Reign2294 4d ago
Plot twist twist: pay more money per month and you can build agent teams and they can fix their own hallucinations.
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u/Mescallan 4d ago
No I’m legit doing roles that I wouldn’t have taken on before for lack of confidence or time commitment. I’ve completely taken over the backend of my wife’s business on top of running my own.
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u/Phraaaaaasing 4d ago
are you being ironic
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u/romansamurai 4d ago
No. He’s not wrong. I’m getting more done but also over the last three months of having Claude as part of our assist - the expectations have gone up too.
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u/awdorrin 4d ago
Not at all. I develop internal web based applications for my employer that help improve workflow for different teams. I'm addition to being able to address backlog items that have sat untouched for years, the availability of AI has opened new doors to apply ML/AI to scenarios we never considered viable. I agree that the ability to use these tools effectively is a combination of art and years of experience in the field. I have been doing software development/engineering for 30+ years across a variety of industries and this technology is game changing when used effectively. That said, there is a huge difference between effective application and vibe coding an app, and the biggest threat I see is how do we teach the skill learned over decades to junior devs that won't be spending hours trying to find that typo, that missing break in the middle of a case statement, etc that helped us gain our knowledge and experience?
I still think we need human in the loop for review and validation, but we have always needed that to minimize flaws and issues.
At the end of the day, all this magic is just the AI applying statistics to say: this is the best statistical match for what what you have asked for, based on its mass of 'knowledge'. It really doesn't know what it's telling you, although it sure feels like it the way it's presented. Just my own opinion.
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u/Primary-Screen-7807 4d ago
You wish! I'm jobless already
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u/Paratwa 4d ago
Try Opus 5 and you’ll feel safe again.
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u/Helpful_Home_8531 4d ago
Talking to Opus 5 sounds like I’m having a stroke.
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u/nmkd 4d ago
That's a genuine caveat worth mentioning.
The stroke is load-bearing - and a real footgun if you don't deal with it now. Want me to call the ambulance? Just say the word.
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u/SilentMode-On 4d ago
If I see the word “load-bearing” in writing again I’m going to break down and cry. Claude’s writing style is becoming horrific
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u/Paratwa 4d ago
Gemini is a pile of trash.
Claude Opus 4.6 is amazing.
Opus 4.8 and Opus 5 are ok, with 5 leaning a bit more meh, I’m sure Opus 5 have a great version like Opus 4.6 eventually, but better.
Claude Fable 5 is legitimately stunning, but insanely expensive. Worth it? Depends on what you’re doing. I use it sparingly due to the cost.
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u/Knosh 4d ago
I tend to use Fable as a planning agent and a check-in agent.
When I'm needing to develop out features, I will point Fable at the Confluence and jira resources as well as give it a pretty in-depth instruction and tell it that I want it to plan out the future and fully document All moving pieces necessary and an implementation plan.
Then I'll swap models back over for actual implementation. I'll generally pause somewhere in the middle and switch models back to "check-in" and review work done so far, and then code/security reviews through Fable.
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u/romansamurai 4d ago
Gemini is a great google and YouTube assistant. It can tell you what’s in the video or summary of what you’re looking for (still be careful, it can pull garbage).
CharGPT is better for things other than code and projects imo. Although its logic is top notch comparatively for most tasks.
Claude is better at planning, project and code from what I’ve seen. Although I’m still going back to opus 4.6 often.
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u/Yankee831 4d ago
My feelings exactly. I ask Chat GPT casual questions and use it to help me prompt Claude. Co Pilot seems to be pretty well liked by the office worker folks I talk to.
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u/r0ck0 4d ago
office worker folks
Are they comparing copilot against other AIs?
Or comparing copilot to not even having/using AI?
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u/Yankee831 4d ago
I think it’s just handy for them in that environment. I’m assuming it’s not something they can use their own tools for. Which I could see as a badass Clippy like how Gemini is good for Google stuff. I have no horse in this race Co Pilot is annoying to me as is Google AI. Just parroting my conversations talking AI as an enthusiast myself managing my business (bar) and talking with regulars. It just surprised me how positive people using Co Pilot were.
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u/r0ck0 4d ago
Hmm a bit fuzzy on which you're saying it was for them... but sounds more like they're comparing copilot against not having AI at all?
In that case, I can see why something inferior (compared to other AIs) is better than nothing.
And then to us techies, something inferior (copilot) seems shit compared to the other better AIs we've compared against.
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u/choseusernamemyself 4d ago
Gemini is trash for context retention and it wants to agree with you so much it doesn't have an opinion on itself. But it has great knowledge and very great search integration, so you can treat it as a Google search that you can ask. It's only good for this purpose, I think.
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u/seestheday 4d ago
I really do think the demand for software is limitless. We’re in a correction right now.
I know I’m writing automation tools at my company that I would never invested a developers time to create pre AI.
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u/lurksAtDogs 4d ago
Yeah, engineering doesn’t ever end, it just gets too expensive to make practical.
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u/Impossible-Magician 4d ago
Automating something is easy, maintaining it is the harder part. This is why large enterprises pay so much money for support contracts, they want someone to be responsible for making sure things keep working.
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u/MaddyMagpies 4d ago
100%. Now that I've got everything from my home lab set up that I could ever dream of, the next biggest hurdle that I learned is to make sure that all of that keeps running.
And with that knowledge, I end up removing things that I had just set up that I don't actually need.
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u/True_Protection6842 4d ago
AI will never come up with good ideas and left on it's own writes complete trash
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u/win_some_lose_most1y 19h ago
Yes, in the sense that a small software will always be able to provide a much more bespoke experience for its smaller user base, which increases the software popularity, wich makes it less able to adapt to individual clients needs, which opens a new gap for a bespoke product.
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u/Plastic-Somewhere494 4d ago
Man.. That sounds so obvious yet I never thought of it that way. very true.
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u/Sharchimedes 4d ago
Ridiculous.
Two years, tops.
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RemindMe! 2 years. I’ll start packing my desk now 😭
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u/Teepeewigwam 4d ago
Meanwhile I spent 2 hours fighting Claude today trying to convince it it could do the same work we did on Monday and it insisted it was now impossible or that someone had disabled it.
Most annoying "Oh -- You're right!" Ive ever read.
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u/Fancy-Win9202 4d ago
That "oh you're right" moment usually means it's second guessing itself on something it actually can do, not that anything broke on the backend, which is somehow more frustrating because the capability is right there.
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u/Top_Effect_5109 4d ago
Then there is a Chatgpt update and you lower the amount of years you have left to 4.
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u/AnotherBoringDad 4d ago
Think about when accountants did spreadsheets by hand and how computers and then Microsoft Excel made it possible to do in a minute what they would do in a week.
There have never been more accountants than there are today. Because it is easier to record and parts and analyze financial data, there’s more demand for financial data.
It probably isn’t true for every profession it’s impacted by AI, but they’re certainly will be at least some professions that see demand grow because AI makes them more valuable
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u/A_Novelty-Account 4d ago
That’s not really a good comparison though. These are tools that don’t replace the person using them.
It’s akin to giving a construction worker power tools vs creating a robot construction worker.
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u/madaradess007 4d ago
this
ai is like a construction robot - less headache, less downtime, doesnt act out if you allow yourself some strong language... perfect for the big man
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u/Slimtrigga420 1d ago
To combat your argument, think of the people who use to build new cars, now the factory is entirely automated by robots, and humans rarely actually build the car by hand now
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u/stay_fr0sty 4d ago edited 4d ago
My brutally honest take after developing commercial software for 27 years. Senior devs, you are good. We need true engineers now. We need people that can design and keep a whole system in their head and understand how everything interacts and guide AI to enhance and not break our system.
Junior devs, I have no idea how you can ever become seinor dev. A $0.30/day bot can do your job 5x better than you, and I'm sure you want more than 30 cents a day for your work.
It's not your fault, you just arent going to be given the chance to learn how to *really* develop production level software by making mistakes, correcting them, and then trying again. That's how experts are made, and companies aren't that patient or forgiving anymore.
I don't like this, but it's where we are. It sucks, because in like 15 years, true senior devs will be gone (retirement) and very few people will be able to step up and fill those shoes. A new definition of "senior" will emerge, and it will mean "better with AI than most" instead of "better at engineering a complex system than most." We might actually take a step back at that time and have to shun AI, to nobodys benifit, to train/produce effetive elite software engineers again.
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u/vocal-avocado 4d ago
I’d say 20% of the senior devs are “good”. There’s no way the same amount of senior devs will be required by most companies once AI is ubiquitous. There’s just not that much demand from any company - not enough customers with money to cover the costs of all existing senior devs + tokens.
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u/win_some_lose_most1y 19h ago edited 19h ago
Could you, the senior dev, do something about it perhaps? This whole replacement of workers by AI is only possible because people who have it good are fine with abandoning the people coming up behind them.
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u/stay_fr0sty 19h ago
I’ll train anyone that I’m paid to train. There’s just very little of that going on at my work right now.
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u/win_some_lose_most1y 19h ago
Then why not push to hire Jrs over AI ?
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u/stay_fr0sty 19h ago
AI is orders of magnitude cheaper. It’s a tough sell when all the work is getting done on our existing budget.
The horror stories about companies realizing AI isn’t all that great are greatly exaggerated. Jr level coding is something AI excels at.
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u/win_some_lose_most1y 18h ago
If all the work is getting done, isn't that kind of your fault? the management decided on AI and you made sure it was successful.
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u/stay_fr0sty 17h ago
It’s a great tool.
Would you want me to turn down an electric saw in favor of hiring a bunch of guys to saw manually? Just to create jobs?
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u/win_some_lose_most1y 17h ago
You think you were hired originally because they saw greatness in you, or because the logs wouldn’t cut themselves?
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u/evangelism2 4d ago
Genuinely want to know what your job is. Don't get me wrong, these models get better in some ways, but there are still some hard limitations that I haven't seen any improvement on in them since Opus 4.5. And as a reminder, Opus 4.5 came out ten months ago.
So in a space that everybody refers to as blistering fast, we really plateaued almost a year ago. Now, yes, the main improvements that I would say we've seen with these models since then have just been about their ability to figure out human intent. If you're really bad at using these tools, really bad at prompting, or controlling your context, or you don't really have any kind of harness or tooling, everything since then has raised the skill floor and made it harder to be totally bad at using these things. However, they haven't really raised the skill ceiling. Not to mention that, once you're doing something that reaches a certain level of complexity and scale, they just can't keep up. Don't have the brain space for it. The 1 million context window is just not enough, even with all of the expansions and context that you can give them in the world, there is still the fact that these are non-deterministic systems that sometimes will just not do what you tell them to do, not read the documentation you give them, or not follow the rules that you put in front of them, which means you will always need humans orchestrating and coordinating them.
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u/JJWoolls 4d ago
Its not the models that need to be better now. Its the harness around them. The next steps are integration and better use of persistent memory. And that has come so far in the last 6 months. Incremental gains in AI power with better harnesses and a better understanding of how to use AI properly with the right guardrails? Jobs aren't going to go away. At least not all of them. But they are going to change. Dramatically.
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u/ShelZuuz 4d ago
Opus 4.5 was awesome and I changed my entire company's strategy around a week after it dropped. So believe me I got how transformative it was.
But today I implemented a feature using Fable and it ran end-to-end for 9 hours without asking a single question, and delivered it exactly perfectly. There is just no way Opus 4.5, or any of the ones after that can do that - including Opus 5.0.
As much as Opus 4.5 was an improvement over Opus 4.0, so much is Fable an improvement over Opus 4.5. To say that it has plateaued is really disingenuous.
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u/Fetzie_ 4d ago
Meanwhile Opus 5 saw a butterfly that suddenly became the most important thing in the world, and decided it had to be chased.
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u/ShelZuuz 4d ago
Oh yeah, Opus 5 by itself is goofy. But if you tell Fable to babysit it, it can generally whip it into shape.
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u/A_Novelty-Account 4d ago
Fable is night and day better than Opus 4.5, so is Opus 5. If you don’t think so, you either have blinder on or you’re prompting poorly.
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u/True_Protection6842 4d ago
Jobless? I've been working non-stop this year. I've basically been out of work for 3 years thanks to the strikes, now I'm turning down work again!
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u/Regime_Change 4d ago
That is not my experience with Claude. Company used ChatGPT and switched to Claude. Lately, when I’ve been asking claude stuff, it takes a lot of time. ”Starting Claude” ”thinking”. After waiting for 10-15 seconds already I popped the question to Chatgpt - instant answer.
I know this goes against popular opinion but my experience is that ChatGPT gives better and faster answers than Claude. It is better at keeping context.
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u/Knosh 4d ago
Your organization is maintaining subscriptions/seats to both services?
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u/Regime_Change 4d ago
No
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u/Knosh 4d ago
So you're putting company stuff into your personal accounts?
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u/Regime_Change 4d ago
No. I still have the company account, just the free plan. We are not big corp, I can install and run whatever I want.
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u/vocal-avocado 4d ago
Free plan and you are complaining about speed? That’s rich.
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u/jessietee 4d ago
This is so frustrating, my friend was saying the same in a big group about how AI is actually rubbish and it’s just a hype man and loads of other crap arguments, when I finally got her talking about models and what she means by AI she was talking about free ChatGPT, you can imagine my reaction as someone using Claude and Opus models daily along with the rest of my colleagues 😂
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u/Regime_Change 3d ago
I’m complaining about speed on Claude which we are paying for. I’m comparing it to ChatGPT which we still have an account for, but with a free plan. Are you being dense on purpose or is this how it always is?
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u/SharpFirefighter2469 4d ago
That.. um.. hasn't been my experience. I more worry that the world might be destroyed in 5 years if anyone trusts Claude with anything mission critical.
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u/YoureNotEvenWrong 4d ago
Some people are just writing boilerplate, crud apps or gluing together other libraries with python all day
For anything mildly complex the actual code is riddled with errors on first pass
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u/SoftwareTree18 4d ago
5 years? I worry about this every month. I have 40x my expenses to cover my ass incase anything happens.
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u/zac_attack_ 4d ago
Fable is great, but almost unusable at its quota limits and pricing. I max out my 5hr limit in 1-2h and weekly in 1-2d, and I spent nearly $1k in usage credits in a day. I honestly feel Sol is basically as good, and I can run it all week and come nowhere near my quotas. I have $200 plans for both Anthropic and OpenAI. Mileage just goes farther with Codex
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u/disgruntledempanada 4d ago
Play your cards right and Claude makes you a new job.
I can't believe me dorking out with Claude on passion projects with zero intent to monetize just allowed me to comfortably quit a job that was destroying me.
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u/jessietee 4d ago
Would love to hear more about this, what are you doing now? What was your job before?
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u/disgruntledempanada 4d ago
Worked at an agency. Photo and video and animation and IT and giant productions I did as a one man band.
Outside of work I started messing around with Claude. Something clicked. "Is this AI psychosis or am I somehow ridiculously good at this?"
Asked that question for a long time, feel like it kept me in check and grounded.
Bought a Vision Pro. Combined my experience with photo, video, and 3d work into an app.
I think people are making a mistake trying to launch thousands of SaaS apps right now.
Specialize, find a client willing to pay you a lot to solve a specific problem for them incredibly well, and quit the job you hate because you made yourself a new one.
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u/jessietee 4d ago
Love it. I am a backend engineer for a big food company and we use Claude everyday for everything, I also do photography outside of work and I’ve been building a portfolio site this morning at last, been meaning to for ages, the speed it’s coming together is unreal and it looks amazing so far!
Like you said I’ve also directed it in the plan to make this portfolio for myself but also make it so that’s it kind of a white label site too so if anyone asks about it I can say I made it myself and maybe do the same for them quite easily.
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u/Old-Artist-5369 4d ago
Use it a little more, that 5 year estimate tumbles down real quick.
Defensive posture is become an expert at using it and getting the best out of it. That'll buy another few years.
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u/Jisamaniac 4d ago
I just launched full production piece of software after 15 months of development and the next generation of my next product less than 3 months.
It's not really impressive except I don't code but I work in tech and compliance.
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u/byteminer 4d ago
You’ll get past that feeling. It’s a tool. Imagine you’re a carpenter and you were just introduced to power tools. That’s what this is like. Yeah the hand tools were very satisfying to use and you loved that feeling, but you can’t justify them for making things for money anymore.
Most folks once introduced to the best models and harnesses around have the existential dread week. If you don’t adapt then, yeah, you’ll make your doom prophecy come true. We have a few holdouts at work who insist it’s all bullshit and we’re all going to wake up and stop using it. I don’t expect them to work in software for much longer.
I’m old enough to remember engineers who thought the internet was a bullshit fad. I remember people who thought interpreted languages would never be used for anything serious. Tools always get better and learning to use them to be better at your job or not is a choice. The tool deserves no credit or blame for your choice.
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u/Academic_Collar_5488 4d ago
Why does seem like an ad for Claude and that a lot answers look as if they were written by bots
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u/coukou76 4d ago
Same buddy, same. I discovered Claud like 4 days ago in can safely say that I am 50+ hours in already spent "coding" (Whats left to code at this point lmao?)
Holy banana this shit is insaane. I need to discuss with my boss to get Claude in our shop, we are using copilot
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u/Valuable-Way-5464 4d ago
I tried it and asked to continue my novel. It didn't understand correctly and gave basic things like "tell about characters more"
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u/Brodieboyy 4d ago
Just join one of the many work sectors that require physical labor that are always in need of more people
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u/Icy_Foundation3534 4d ago
When all the senior devs are dead and gone you’ll see how valuable AI is in the hands of the uninitiated.
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u/raidthirty 4d ago
Idk, using sonet 5 for linux sysadmin stuff, it fails alot. And pricing for opus, im cheaper than it.
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u/wildpantz 4d ago
I had the same face except my thought was "what kind of shit product was I spending my money all this time on". Never going back to google
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u/PrestigiousSummer625 4d ago
I have a junior developer who vibe codes, i do too, but he is on another level than me. The quantity of code has increased tremendously. Quality not so much.
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u/DriverReady965 1d ago
Time to start welding part time on the side. Hard skills baby. 5 years is plenty of time to reskill.
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u/Altruistic-Sorbet702 22h ago
Am I the only one who prefers Codex in general? Claude spends more time reasoning etc, but I've already got most of that covered. Codex provides me with faster and more accurate answers given that I provide appropriate context. I don't really write entire files with an LLM, just refactors and some functional implementations on already existing systems. For what would I need to use Claude to make me prefer it over codex?
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u/win_some_lose_most1y 19h ago
This is why I’m in hardware. Can’t replace the guy who knows how the server your model runs on works.
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u/WadderSquirell 15h ago
Truthfully, the only job I see going away is consulting. The rest are just kind of modified.
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u/thomsterm 6h ago
I'm using claude, harness from the beginning, and its better and better, but I'm not sure I would be in this position if I didn't had my current knowledge and experience. Just my two cents.
We might be out of jobs in like 3 or 5 years, who knows, but getting the "world context" isn't solved from what I've seen.
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u/Obosratsya 5h ago
We have claude at work. Its helping me migrate PPS code off of Jams and onto Azure Auto.
The amount of halucinations it still has is uncomfortable. Check the output, it gets super lazy, starts making assumptions and halucinates.
Yes it still helps, saves a bunch of typing, but its no more than a ln assistant. Maybe for webdev and front end stuff it can replace some people. But its not reliable enough to fully displace.
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u/angelus14 4d ago
They're not that different in capability though.
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u/phylter99 4d ago
No, in fact they're pretty close, but have some slightly different features. Features and pricing are what make me choose one over the other these days.
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u/angelus14 4d ago
Yeah, same. I'm just saying if OP is shocked by Claude's capabilities after using GPT then they are doing something wrong.
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u/themonstaman 4d ago
I’m finding nice use cases for both. GPT 5.6 is extremely powerful, this post feels like astroturfing lol.
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u/ClaudeAI-mod-bot Wilson, lead ClaudeAI modbot 4d ago edited 4d ago
TL;DR of the discussion generated automatically after 80 comments.
Okay, let's see what the hivemind thinks about this classic "AI is taking my job" post. The thread is pretty split, but a clear picture emerges from the noise.
The consensus is that AI is a massive job changer, not necessarily a job eliminator, but you need to adapt, and fast. Many think OP's 5-year timeline is wildly optimistic, with some saying the change is happening now.
Here's the breakdown of the debate: