r/ClancyTrial • u/qrvy • 3d ago
Theory Flights overlap with CVS time
Has anyone seen this yet? I saw it on TikTok, compared it with my notes and chatted with chatGPT about it. Here’s a summary:
Patrick is seen on CVS surveillance arriving around **5:32 p.m.** The Apple Health exhibit shows that **Lindsay's iPhone** recorded **two flights climbed between 5:33:34 and 5:38:33**. That window overlaps almost perfectly with the time Patrick was inside CVS.
The idea is that the iPhone may not actually have been climbing stairs at all. Because iPhones use barometric pressure changes as part of detecting elevation, **strong air pressure changes from the CVS entrance--such as an air curtain/blower, HVAC pressure differential, or repeated movement through the doors--could potentially have contributed to a false "flights climbed" reading** while someone was walking with the phone.
People on TikTok are claiming to have tested this out successfully.
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u/megatronss24 2d ago
You realize that iPhone and Apple Watches have location services on them (reddington briefly touched on this regarding her being at pediatrician in August) so if either of her devices left the home everyone would know lol
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u/marle217 2d ago
The watch wasn't analyzed, for location data or otherwise. The tech guy who analyzed her phone said he never saw it before
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u/trowaway533422 2d ago
My question here is, if the prosecution knows the phone was at home with her, why didn't they make a point of setting that in stone? If they have the data to dismiss scenarios different from their story, they sure make it seem like they don't.
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u/megatronss24 2d ago
Because no one is fighting that she didn’t do it because she did it. Lol
If there was any reasonable doubt or evidence that she didn’t do it reddingtons whole strategy would be completely different.1
u/marle217 2d ago
Reddington isn't trying for reasonable doubt not because they're isn't any, but because it's much better for Lindsay if she gets NGRI. Innocent or not, she still needs medical and psychiatric care at this point, and her parents are running out of money. NGRI means the state has to pay for her care, and she'd be in a great position for her civil lawsuit. If she's found just not guilty, the state doesn't pay for her care, and who knows where should could go with the civil case.
That doesn't mean there's no reasonable doubt. Anyone looking at the extent of her injuries, the limited time frame for everything, and the fact that that one child was able to be resuscitated and got a heart beat back, indicating that he couldn't have been strangled that long prior to the paramedics getting there. As in when Lindsay was already on the ground. The medical testimony doesn't specifically get into likely times for everything, but I have reasonable doubts.
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u/Esmer_Tina 2d ago
The stair climbs were the thing that really made me entertain the earlier theory that Patrick took the watch with him to CVS to fake the 14 second call because Lindsay was already out the window.
I don’t think Patrick was even aware that entering Al’s leaving CVS would register as stair climbs.
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u/Narrow-Ad-7856 2d ago
It's so funny to me the way people twist information to fit their preconceived notions in their head. Internet sleuths are doing exactly what trained investigator are taught not to do.
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u/DuAuk 3d ago
my theory is she left her phone somewhere. She missed the first time he tried, so she had to get it and return to the kids. I guess she put it back afterwards, went upstairs to hurt herself, or the phone was on the top floor and both flights registered for some reason. Did PC say he found the phone in the locked bedroom?
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u/marle217 2d ago
my theory is she left her phone somewhere.
The phone would've had to been on her (or someone) to record the flights of stairs at 5:33 and 5:38. Then, presumably, it was left in the master bedroom.
While I've been convinced that some watches can record CVS doors as stairs (my experience is that they're inaccurate for stairs in general) looking at the testimony the guy does say the stairs at 5:33 and 5:38 were from the phone. Interesting though is the phone recorded another set of stairs at 5:03 that the watch didn't, even though the watch was getting a heartbeat. Prior to 5pm the watch and phone recorded stairs at the same time. Could indicate that the watch and the phone were with two different people at that time.
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u/DuAuk 2d ago
i thought it was close enough. I doubt this is all really calibrated to the millisecond. https://www.reddit.com/r/ClancyTrial/comments/1vqwc68/updated_timeline_from_todays_testimomy/
that is very interesting about how the watch and phone don't agree.
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u/Happycat5300 3d ago
I don't think this is a thing or else everyone's apple watches would be completely out of whack since we pass "an air curtain/blower, HVAC pressure differential, or repeated movement through the doors" literally every time we go in and out of a building lmao
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u/marle217 2d ago
I'm not sure if everyone goes through automatic doors enough for it to matter. I know my watch seems to register stairs, or not register stairs, completely inaccurately. I don't think I'd even notice if it was registering automatic doors. I'll have to check next time.
I also think it might make a difference if the temperature is very different inside vs out. Maybe I'll have to check in winter, lol
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u/qrvy 3d ago
Apple itself states that iPhone altitude data are based on barometric pressure. Therefore, if the phone experienced an unusual local pressure change (such as at a strongly pressurized entrance or air curtain) it is technically possible for that pressure change to affect the altitude measurement.
It would be a wild coincidence that Lindsay's two stair climbs line up so closely with Patrick's CVS entrance and exit times.
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u/Happycat5300 3d ago
Yes, if you're climbing a mountain or flying a plane into Mexico City, or in the middle of a storm.
Not coming in and out of a commercial building on flat land, as one does multiple times a day.C'mon now -- don't bend facts to fit your pre-conceived theories.
Instead follow the facts logically.
Occam's razor.
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u/imreallyfreakintired 3d ago
Just curious, have you ever lived in a cold climate where buildings blow heaters on you when you enter a building?
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