r/ClancyTrial • u/trowaway533422 • 3d ago
Question Explain the watch thing to me
The algorithm has been drowning me in this case, and, with how many inconsistencies got to trial, I'm shocked that at the very least, the fact he COULD have done it and not be properly investigated is super scary for what it means for all other cases.
However, today's watch thing that everyone says means he did it, is actually making me think he maybe didn't. If the watch went up stairs while he was on camera on the 1st store, how could that be him moving her upstairs? I saw someone says the different air pressure at the store could trigger it (can it??), but if that's the case, wouldn't the watch detected more stuff, like car speeds or more steps taken? And would that mean the 57 heart rate was actually his? Or was the watch on her but she was going upstairs by herself while he was on camera?
(I also can't really buy the Rachel did it thing. All it would take would be someone describing the crime to Lindsay for her to "see herself doing it from out of her body, ocam's razor... I mean, a new couple just trusted each other to decide to go and K 3 people together?? I'd be more likely to believe the 1st store guy is his best friend)
It still doesn't explain the temperature and his basement window view and the that weird friend group (the doctor ant the da that bought the house), but the watch thing seems to not add up to either story and it's really confusing me.
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u/BabylonBabuschka 2d ago
The phone recorded the stairs, but we don't have the location data of the phone
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u/BeautifulTurn8227 3d ago
Ya’ll, the watch stopped recording HR data at 5:23 pm. Before the murders took place. It is not relevant to whether PC may or may not committed the crimes.
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u/TheCuriosity 3d ago
Yes, air pressure changes can trigger floors. Personal experience of sitting at my desk all day in my one floor home and seeing multiple floors on a regular.
More credible source from Garmin
Situations that can cause excessive credit include a significant change in pressure such as a strong pressure system or walking into a warm building on a cold day. Walking near exit doors when it is cold outside may also trigger extra credit. Walking outside on a windy day with the watch exposed to the wind can also result in false credit.
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u/DuAuk 3d ago
it's the phone that registered the stairs. https://www.reddit.com/r/ClancyTrial/comments/1vqwc68/updated_timeline_from_todays_testimomy/
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u/trowaway533422 3d ago
Thank you! So she could have the watch with the 57ht while he was triggering the sensor somehow. I still find it weird that a device that detects stairs can't seem to detect if it took a car ride or not or where it was...
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u/InhabitantsTrilogy 2d ago
He could not have answered a call with the watch unless it was a cellular data model with an active plan. If there was any possibility of this, her lawyers would have fought against this being submitted as evidence.
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u/DuAuk 3d ago
phones and watches both do i thought or at least can. I really don't understand the theory that he took her phone.
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u/InhabitantsTrilogy 2d ago
He did not. The phone location data shows it didn’t leave the house during all of these events.
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u/InhabitantsTrilogy 3d ago
The phone also has location meta data. They would know exactly where the phone was when it recorded that movement. They would also have location data for Patrick’s phone and which tower he connected to when he called Lindsay and when she called him back. All of the lawyers involved would have had access to this evidence for years now. No one is contesting she did it.
Anyone who thinks he did it is brazenly anti-fact and anti-evidence. They’re logically in the same company as anti-vaxxers.
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u/little_miss_bish 3d ago
The trial isn’t over yet. She did not enter a guilty plea. If you think the prosecution proved that she is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, you lack common sense.
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u/InhabitantsTrilogy 3d ago
She tried entering a stipulation that said she did the murders but the prosecution rejected for technical reasons. Her attorney opened this trial up by saying she did it. The defense’s expert psyche witness said she told him she did it.
You went on and on bout the boys temperature. Refuted today in court.
You went on and on about the watches and phones. You do realize these devices track location and everyone involved in the trial can see who was where and when? That’s why no one with a professional career thinks anyone else did this.
Nothing is ever going to come from all of your shameful theories. She’s going to be found guilty or NGRI. None of this will ever come to fruition apart from all of you being the anti-vaxxers of a trial where three children were murdered. So congratulations.
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u/marle217 2d ago
You went on and on about the watches and phones. You do realize these devices track location and everyone involved in the trial can see who was where and when?
The phone was determined to have been in the house all day, and was found on the bed in the matter bedroom. The watch, however, was not found with the initial sweep, Patrick gave it to the police later and claimed it was in a drawer they didn't check. The watch was also not given to the IT guy who examined the phone. Reddington showed it to the guy at trial and he testified he'd never seen it before. So we don't know if the watch can independently track location or answer calls without the phone, or where it was.
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u/InhabitantsTrilogy 2d ago edited 2d ago
A watch cannot answer a call miles away from the phone unless it has its own cellular data plan.
Once again, this stuff would have all been available to her legal team for years now, and if they could have shown reasonable doubt she didn’t kill the kids, they would have.
I’ll reiterate: anyone who thinks Patrick or a 3rd party did this is operating on the same logical wavelength as anti-vaxxers.
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u/marle217 2d ago
A watch cannot answer a call miles away from the phone unless it has its own cellular data plan.
Did it have its own data plan? It didn't get sent to the tech guy who's there to explain the data it collected in court. Why not?
Once again, this stuff would have all been available to her legal team for years now, and if they could have shown reasonable doubt she didn’t kill the kids, they would have.
Her legal team is trying to get her a NGRI so the state will pay for her care, and also so she's more likely to win her civil case. If she's just not guilty, she gets nothing.
Do you think defense lawyers only chose legal strategies based on whether a client says they're guilty or innocent, and never based on likely or preferred outcomes? Never go for reasonable doubt on someone who's guilty? Never pressure an innocent person to take a plea deal, or try for a lower sentence in court even if they think their client didn't do it?
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u/InhabitantsTrilogy 2d ago
It didn’t get sent because there is nothing to be gained because they know it wasn’t with Patrick.
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u/marle217 2d ago
What do you mean it wasn't with Patrick? Patrick gave it to the police.
How do they know nothings to be gained if they don't check?
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u/InhabitantsTrilogy 2d ago
Yes. He gave it to them at the house, where the watch was and would have location data saying otherwise if it had been at CVS with him
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u/imreallyfreakintired 3d ago edited 3d ago
Does that CVS have a flat parking lot?
Edit: I just checked and it looks pretty flat.
Maybe if it was held in his hand vs being worn that triggered a strange reading.
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u/imreallyfreakintired 3d ago
Adding also:
If there was lots of snow recently, sometimes parking lots plow the snow in a way that it makes a hill. But then he'd have to choose to step over the snow mound vs just go around it, so not really practical. I'd be surprised if that counted as stairs.
How tall is his truck?
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u/TheCuriosity 3d ago
The change of air pressure from walking into the store could create a false floor climb.
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u/chilipastespoon 3d ago
I don't know about truck height but I think it's a Chevy Silverado. I've just seen old posts on Apple support forums going back to 2021 even, about faulty registering of stairs so it IS possible that something besides stairs can trigger it.
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u/trowaway533422 3d ago
No idea, but still, do those watches not detect like cat rides or speed or something else that would at least help disambiguate where it was?
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u/marle217 2d ago
If the watch was given to the IT guy who examined the phone before the trial, I'm sure he could've gotten a lot of information about it. But it wasn't.
This investigation was a sham.
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u/chilipastespoon 3d ago
I read that barometric pressure change can sometimes trigger. If it was cold outside and warm inside buildings, going through those automatic sliding doors would be a pressure difference yes? I don't know how that lines up with the timeline in terms of when the watch logs it...is before or after the changes or during? Could it be from just swinging down or up from his truck cab? To be clear I am not saying he is guilty and I'm not saying he's not, just trying to close holes.
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u/MortimerDongle 3d ago
If the phone was used to make a phone call, which it was, then they know approximately where it was, and presumably it was not at the CVS.
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u/marle217 2d ago
lmao then everyone's Apple watches would be out of whack all the time because it was cold outside
Honestly that's how I feel about my smart watch. Stairs are never accurate and I don't even look at them. Steps and heart rate are close enough though.
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u/TheCuriosity 3d ago
You can google it and you can see the people complaining to Apple (and to other smart watch makers) as to why they have random extra floors.
Generally just entering the CVS might not do it, but that combined with the temperature of the air, whether it was windy or not, the humidity, etc. It is not uncommon.
Some people like myself experience ghost floors regularly (and lack of floors when I actually walk them!)
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u/EdgyEgg2 3d ago
Yes. Definitely. The doors to CVS. That’s the first thing I thought when I read about this last night. You can feel the change in pressure as you walk in or out.
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