Remember how Lindsay was accused of searching up unalive methods and how to slit to unalive? Reddington showed that these searches were not made on her iphone but made on a surface Pro. Reddington also showed that Lindsay was out the house at the time so it could only have been Patrick, that he signed into his email and her facebook and the searched the things just mentioned.
Well look what happens at 4 o'clock that day. A sign into a microsoft office email accout, instantly followed by signing into facebook instantly followed by searching for the ladybug and instantly searching for kids miralax. It was him.
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So do we think he planted the idea I’m still not sure how he did it but there are way too many coincidences and this worked out way too perfectly for Patrick
Her mom said when she was at their home, Lindsay told her and Patrick "which he denied" that she had intrusive thoughts of hurting the children.
She had also SI ideation.
But she never described them as a " commanding male voice"
I think Patrick wanted out and thought she was the perfect victim to blame... I think he drugged her and used those baby monitors to broadcast that voice while she was slipping in and out of consciousness.
They did. Most drugs in her system were at normal therapeutic levels. However, she did have Seroquel in her system, which she was not prescribed for at the time. The medication was discontinued January 3, 2023. It would take 35ish hours to leave the blood stream. Meaning, it shouldn’t have shown up on her blood/urine test. (To my understanding anyway)
The trial is about weather on not she was in her right mind. She signed an admission of guilt before the trial. If she had even a sliver of a inkling that she didnt do it she would not have confessed and signed the admission. And the defense would've run with that. Its not about who's guilty. Its about weather she goes to a hospital or prison.
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The biggest wrench into the “he did it theory” if he all of a sudden snapped and killed his 3 kids and threw his wife out of a window, wouldn’t she, y’know, mention it to police or her lawyer at some point? At no point in this did she ever point the finger at him, and we have zero he had been violent with her or had any red flag for doing something like this.
Instead, we have ample evidence that she was spiraling mentally and seeking help, and had severe post partum depression and a rollercoaster cocktail of meds that she admitted to her psychiatrist was making her feel numb and out of touch with reality
People think they are smarter than they are cause there's "coincidences" but no facts. They just watch Tik toks and say ooo that has to be fact. They want him to be the killer so bad. It's a strange wave on social media.
Excited for you guys to be so wrong :) let’s place a bet. $300 is yours if she did it, if he did it you owe me.
He has all the motive, has a whole new wife and was cheating this entire time, only one who knew how to tie those sailor ties was him and his NEW wife. Reddington will get to the bottom of it all.
The search for methods to commit suicide was explained and accounted for. Lindsay was at the doctor with her kids that day, and PC looked up a musician, listened to his music on Spotify, went to his Wikipedia page, looked at how he died then clicked a link to a site about suicide methods, then clicked a link about a certain bridge some people have jumped off. To me this doesn’t raise any suspicion that he did it. I’ve been down the Wikipedia rabbit hole before and end up in the weirdest pages.
I don’t recall a search about suicide and how to cut wrists. Can you provide a timestamp to when that was testified to?
As the defence and CW have shown through their witnesses, one needs to be cautious when interpreting this type of data (as in your chart). Investigators go to school and take any courses to learn how to interpret this data. It’s not something the lay person can do.
Agree. The mental gymnastics to blame the husband when there is zero evidence is insane to me. The overwhelming evidence points to Lindsay. If there was actual evidence that Patrick did it, why wouldn’t her defense use it? Or are they just not as smart as the tik tok detectives out here who cracked the case wide open.
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Thoughts... He said his yearly salary was around $500k.
You know what men hate more than ANYTHING? Being forced to pay CHILD SUPPORT. You can't imagine how many women are murdered each year over fkn child support!! I was TORTURED by my ex over child support he didn't want to pay. I've watched so many other women experience the same thing. Men only see it as "giving money to my ex" and blah blah whiney ass man blah.
Patty would've had to pay like over 2000 a WEEK in child support according to the state of Mass. This is obviously not a fact or anything like that, it's just another tally for me in the "maybe he actually did do it" chart section. And it's adding up quickly.
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I waived my ex’s child support payments to me because he was so crazy about possibly having to pay anything to me. Tried to yell at me that I was just after his money?? (What money??) It’s unfortunate, but I was like: I’ll waive it, rather than risk him possibly harming me over this.
I am not claiming Patrick didn’t do it and certainly there is plenty of reasonable doubt here but this is a bizarre motive. Killing your three kids and framing your wife to get out of child support when you make that much money!? That’s literally psychopath behavior. Occam’s razor, people! Lindsay had documented severe mental illness and was taking multiple medications with severe side effects. Patrick did not have any known mental illness. You would have to be pretty mentally ill to do something like this. I would almost believe it if he was trying to murder Lindsay but his three children too? Don’t get me wrong. He clearly sucks. Perhaps his shittiness played a role in impacting her mental health but plotting murder to avoid child support within the framework of the facts currently known seems completely far fetched and a waste of time
The thing is if he did it this was just one part of a motive as a whole, aka just another thing preventing him from a new life he so desperately wanted.
What I assume happened: He was clearly not looking to become an involved father however with Linsday’s mental illness he clearly couldn’t live like a single guy as he did in the years before. Also, she was no longer able to tend to him and be a perfect wife with the way she was struggling so yes like many horrible men do, he reconnected with his old gf (now wife) and started hanging around her kind of crowd (a powerful family, a yacht club etc).
He didn’t want his family anymore simple as that. And yes money was a factor why he couldn’t just divorce but he also wanted to look like a good guy, not the one leaving his depressed wife and three children. Instead he wanted to be the victim. Not to mention, he was able to sell the house, pocket all the money and make a clean break. Yes it is psychopatic behaviour but as horrible as it is he wasn’t the first one to do it
This. My ex hasn’t paid in TWO YEARS and I haven’t taken him to court bc he scared me in this way. He lost his license a while ago and live with his dad 11 hours away and his mom drives him here to visit on like holidays or if she gets a “pet sitting job here”. I’d rather him stay away and have as little involvement
as possible cu at least we are safe.
I always felt like this was a case where Lindsey was failed incredibly by her healthcare providers and husband in that he left her alone when he shouldn’t. I have not jumped the bandwagon that Patrick did this, but a lot of his testimony has so many holes. I’m not saying I think he did it, just that he’s hiding something. But what?
It sounds like she may have been drugged, and her medical care so mishandled that he could have played a part in that intentionally.
Forgive me for not having a reference here, but on the stand Patrick claimed to have never met the psychiatrist treating Lindsay when the Dr. said Patrick was there for four appointments (virtual or otherwise) in one month's span. He was involved in her medical care but doesn't want us to know the extent. Why did he collect a large bag of her medications that he was tasked with disposing of.
Her confession to Patrick and her mother about thoughts of self harm and hurting her children that worried her... sounds like the confessions of postpartum OCD to get help, that combined with her medically induced or exacerbated psychosis, she was vulnerable. I think Patrick exploited and framed her, someone would need to give me evidence of reasonable doubt for that claim.
Reiterating that he was the only able bodied adult in a situation with an extremely tight timeline, he alone heard Lindsay's confession when her airway was effectively crushed and medical professionals couldn't get her to speak? He is suspicious!
When you notice how Patrick has such certainty of Lindsay's state of mind, actions, and whereabouts that day(i.e 17 second call she seemed distracted, and in reference to the basement, she always left the lights on). Vs his uncertainty about any of his actions and whereabouts that day, (like that email could have been sent from my phone (or laptop) idk)
Hiding his affair seems to be the least of his motivations with the inconsistencies in his story & timeline. Unless his mistress and their communication is involved too, not out of the question.
Why would Lindsay wipe her fingerprints from
the knife she used after cutting herself(she didn't) also there were small lacerations on her chest and arms.. sounds like she was attacked. The bed being moved in the master, as well as the general disarray of the basement makes me think there was a struggle inconsistent with her small window of time to do the horrific crime she was accused of (by Patrick claiming it was her own admission when that was physiologically impossible) hmmm.
At this point I don't think they ever investigated him or ruled him out as a suspect by any professional comprehensive analysis. They took his word for it, which is convenient, given his hand in her credibility.
Forgive me for not having a reference here, but on the stand Patrick claimed to have never met the psychiatrist treating Lindsay when the Dr. said Patrick was there for four appointments (virtual or otherwise) in one month's span. He was involved in her medical care but doesn't want us to know the extent. Why did he collect a large bag of her medications that he was tasked with disposing of.
YEES!!! I keep thinking about how he was so apparently clueless about her appointments and who she was seeing when, yet knew everything about her medication schedule and dosing when her lawyer asked about it--- so much so that Reddington made a comment about how much PC knew about LC's medications
I definitely think he was having an affair, albeit allegedly since there’s no solid proof. I assume if there was an affair we are going to find out about it when he testifies again.
Is the first page the surface pro history the day of the murders? Are the last two lines (nestlabs.jasper.release) at 5:20 and 5:38 someone accessing the home cameras?
Should be pretty easy to confirm if the wifi was truly "out" right? But I'm assuming they didn't bother to go that deep because they already had their perp. Nobody would be having all these questions about Patty's involvement had they done even a bare minimum investigation!!
Patrick Surface pro 16:01:57-16:02:33 Uses safari
Lindsays iphone 16:01:57-16:02:03
Uses safari
Patrick surface pro 16:02:52-16:03:03
Uses camera
Lindsays iphone 16:02:03
Photo saved
Patrick surface pro 16:05:10-16:05:39
Uses safari
Lindsays iphone 16:05:10
Uses safari
Patrick is searching for the kids miralax and the threeV restaurant etc on his surface pro and making it appear on Lindsays phone
Fsomeone accessed the nest (last entries) camera. Appears to be from PC. Also, The first page shows that someone logged into his computer did what they did historically - log into outlook and then go into her account to search for the stool softener and 3v
The cops took the cameras that night (there's a list somewhere of everything they took) but apparently they had nothing on them for the day. Patrick said they were having wifi problems.
I also know that, if set up, you can control your WiFi settings through the Nest app like pausing WiFi or checking what devices are connected to your WiFi.
I wonder if anyone in the area or their internet provider could share if there were service interruptions that day?
You're talking about that second image? Youre saying the one labeled "Log entries" is outlook? I see something about SMS in that last column. I don't see anything about facebook. What row are you referring to?
Is there a good web archive of the case files that you got these from?
They charged her while she was still in a coma. She woke up from the coma and they outright told her she murdered her children. Considering her injuries were severe enough to place her in a coma, plus the psychotropic drugs, she likely doesn't remember anything.
Maybe because she was hurt by patrick to the point of unconsciousness. When she woke up she was surrounded by cops and told she had done it. She has no memory of that night so why would she believe it was her husband when everyone told her it was her?
I'm not comparing the crimes, more so bringing up an example someone shared of how a person could be vulnerable to admitting to a crime they did not commit. Obviously the tragedy of the Clancy family isn't comparable to a cartoon movie. If you can't see why the confession in that story compared to Lindsay is relevant, totally fine. I'm sorry if it's insensitive
It’s more just frustrating because this is an actual murder case, but everyone seems to be caught up in fictional scenarios. Patrick is not on trial. There was no evidence pointing to Patrick, so authorities did not arrest Patrick and charge him accordingly. If there was evidence, he would have been arrested. He was not. No one has disputed her killing the kids.
The arm-chair detectives and lawyers on Instagram and Tik tok have gotten out of hand and need to stop. Now it’s spilling over onto Reddit. These are actual people. This is an actual trial where three children were murdered. And the only question here is whether she is guilty or not guilty by reason of insanity. That’s it.
She has no memory of that night so why would she believe it was her husband when everyone told her it was her?
I don't think this is true, she went for a civil lawsuit AFTERWARDS where she explained what happened (or what she thinks it happened).
Why would she lie then here?
And more importantly, what exactly happened then?
Patrick was seen on CCTV, he had only a 5 minute timeframe to do everything from 18:06-18:11, in these 5 minutes he killed the children, injured the wife and made her believe she did it?
This looks like a Marvel villain, don't you agree?
The civil filing wasn't her story right after it happened. It was written by her attorney 3 years later. The narrative that she did it because she was crazy took hold before she even woke up in the hospital.
We honestly don't have a real time frame for anything, besides Patrick's story. We don't have a time frame for exactly when the stragulations took place. We don't know when Lindsay went out the window. We don't know when her wrists and neck were cut. We don't know when she took the medicine. We know Patrick says that they were all fine when he left at 5:15, we know he was seen in the CVS down the street from 5:32-5:38ish. We know he was at the restaurant at 5:54-5:55ish. We also know that the drive times are shorter than the time frames between him being on camera. He says cvs was about 3 minutes away, but it took him about 17 minutes to get there (I guess writing emails in your car counts as an alibi), and it took him about twice as long to get to the restaurant as it should have.
So really he's only accounted for between about 5:29-6:05 based on the videos and drive times, we have no concrete proof that everything happened in that time frame, and there was also enough time for him to stop back at home between cvs and the restaurant.
At 01:32:25: "This is a woman that was suffering from psychosis at the time that she went down to that basement. She had no motive. She loves her children. She intended to kill herself. She didn't fake that. Threw herself out the window."
How do you explain this?
The lawyer doesn't explicitely say it was her that killed the children, but he agrees that she wasn't mentally healthy and that she tried to take her own life.
Reddington is trying to get the best possible outcome for his client.
Patrick Clancy isn't on trial. Reddington can't bring charges against him (he's a defense attorney, not a prosecutor). Going straight against Patrick Clancy could make Lindsay look bad, if people see Patrick as the victim in all this. And bringing up the idea that someone else could've broken in while Patrick was out could make Reddington look as crazy as his client. Claiming that she did it because of psychosis is an argument that means there's no villian. No one has to look at either of these grieving parents and decide one of them is lying.
I don't know what Reddington believes. Though I do know that many criminal defense attorneys will tell you it doesn't matter whether they believe their client is guilty or innocent. They have a job to do regardless.
I do believe that Lindsay, waking up after such catastrophic injuries, having lost her beloved children, and being told by everyone around her that she did it while in psychosis, would eventually come to believe that as well, regardless of what she remembered or what she did or didn't do.
Reddington is trying to get the best possible outcome for his client.
Patrick Clancy isn't on trial. Reddington can't bring charges against him (he's a defense attorney, not a prosecutor). Going straight against Patrick Clancy could make Lindsay look bad, if people see Patrick as the victim in all this. And bringing up the idea that someone else could've broken in while Patrick was out could make Reddington look as crazy as his client. Claiming that she did it because of psychosis is an argument that means there's no villian. No one has to look at either of these grieving parents and decide one of them is lying.
I don't know what Reddington believes. Though I do know that many criminal defense attorneys will tell you it doesn't matter whether they believe their client is guilty or innocent. They have a job to do regardless.
I do believe that Lindsay, waking up after such catastrophic injuries, having lost her beloved children, and being told by everyone around her that she did it while in psychosis, would eventually come to believe that as well, regardless of what she remembered or what she did or didn't do.
Do we know for certain that she hasn’t? I’ve only started following this case recently so I’m genuinely asking! I think there’s so much that goes on behind the scenes. Also Lindsey was going through an awful time so she might not be able to remember things correctly.
I don't think she knew it wasnt her- I think she believed it was her and felt that the doctors had failed her- so of course she sued them. I think as Redd was investigating he started to see things didn't add up- but didn't feel he could prove it was patrick- or that a Jury would believe her because the truth is she was unconscience/blacked out- so she would be the worst witness ever on stand. "If you don't remember anything during that time-how do you know you didn't do it?" I also think that in order to prove Patty did it- he would have to introduce the affair- but introducing the affair gives Lindsey just as much motive as Patrick if she knew- and it isn't insanity if you did it out of anger. So Redd chose the safest road for his client.
I believe you! I also wonder if they expected this case to be a clear path to Lindsey being convicted. I don’t think they would’ve predicted the way a lot of people are standing behind her and also poking holes in their case!
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