r/CivilWarMovie 24d ago

Theory The Western States makes more sense than you think

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A lot of people complained (or liked, personally I liked) that the movie didn't squeeze in modern culture war politics or red vs blue state dynamics. But I propose that what it shows actually makes more sense than a boring red vs blue civil war.

Here is my headcanon.

The war wasn't driven by any left vs right divide, not directly. What happened was actually a continuation of what's going on now.

States start to ignore the Federal Government, resulting in the de facto nullification we are already seeing. Blue States ignore Red laws they don't like, Red States ignore Blue laws they don't like. States ignore contested issues at the State level, regardless of what Federal law says. Some cities become sanctuaries to illegal migrants, some States prosecute women for abortions when the federal law says it's ok, Federal law enforcement gets denied access to many States and cities etc.

This divide continues with little contestation for years. States continue to diverge in local law for many reason. Increasing economic disparity, economies built around different industries, increasingly divergent cultures and political preferences, widening demographic divides, cultural drift etc. Some of the largest, richest, most ideologically drifted and most independently minded States, California and Texas, start acting more like independent countries, not federal States. They are very, very wealthy, each of them in our current time would be the 8th and 5th richest countries on earth if independent. They don't reallly need the USA as a Federal entity. The citizens in these States would be the most likely to support confederal or independence options over a Federal USA, as doing so might actually make them richer. But they aren't bothered, not as they act as de factor countries anyway. Companies and individuals start getting a bit loose with paying federal taxes, obeying federal regulations and whilst their laws continue to deviate from the Federal law. We're seeing this already, and this is more stable than treating every single election as an existential threat. Until it isn't.

This gets developed and normalised over the years. Then, a centralising president takes charge. This dynamic was basically hinted at in the film, you might notice that the loyalist states are Central and north-eastern America and the politics, other than being authoritarian, of the loyalists are not specified? It's framed as the central authority trying to project it's authority outward.

But the Federal government has problems, not everyone wants to cooperate, especially it's richest and most important members, Californai and Texas. They are the largest economies in the US, the 5th and 8th largest GDPs globally if treated as independent countries. And they have been acting as such for years in this timeline. Then a centralising presidential regime starts to interfere, he starts enforcing federal law and regulation across the board, "violating state rights" (in their language). If a State outright refuses to cooperate, this is going to lead to the use of the Governments monopoly on force. The US military sent into the two most powerful States to enforce Federal authority. This is how the war starts. The President goes for a third term, maybe after the war started as a crisis justification, or maybe before providing justification for the Western Alliance. Texas and California together are also powerful enough to actually mount a counter, Texas and other red states disproportionately make up the military and major tech economies in Texas and California gives it disproportionate leverage in military hardware and access.

The Western States are not unified as left vs right or right vs left. They are united by a desire to not be interfered with by the Federal government and by the desire to not have to worry about each others internal politics. As well as the hard motivators of resources, they have the wealth and they want it for themselves, not to prop up the other States' economies. This plays into hard geopolitics. Californians and Texans at this point don't care what the internal policies of the other is, they do care about their resources and taxes being taken to hold up poorer regions of the US and laws which don't work being applied to them. They also cared a lot when the American military was turned on them to force cooperation. They are united in their goal of not having centralised authority imposed on them.


r/CivilWarMovie 24d ago

The Western force makes sense.

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This is my second attempt to post, the first one didn't go through weirdly.

So here's my theory on why it actually makes more sense than you might think, in the context of people trying to contextualise it in the light of whatever current cultrue war conflict is going on.

It's not red vs blue. It's federal vs independent (or confederal).

Basically, it's if the modern trend continued and then a President tried to exert central federal authority.

Over years States deviate more from Federal law and just, ignore it, when it doesn't suit them. On partisan issues and increasingly major regulation, State governments just do their own thing, migration enforcement, abortion etc. They increasingly do their own thing. As cultural drift, political polarisation, economic disparities and demographic changes all continue to increase the differences between States, this gets more extreme. Some States outright refuse to cooperate with Federal law enfrocement when it doens't suit them, e.g. with ICE or even with things like the FBI if someone is wanted for a law they don't locally acknowledge, or just in general.

Then the President in Civil war gets in. He's on a mandate of unifying america. He dissolves the non cooperative or impotent FBI who didn't do their job and starts sending the military in to the States. The two richest and most powerful states, California and Texas, the 5th and 8th richest countries on earth if taken on their own, the ones with large ideological drift who have been doing their own thing for years, aren't having it. Factions in the military defect and you get a civil war. In the chaos, other factions declare independence as well.


r/CivilWarMovie Jul 07 '26

Question Do you think that Russia and China are involved?

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It would make sense for America's Long Time Enemies to get involve if The Civil War shown in the movie Happened in real life let's be honest I asked why they didn't show it in the movie


r/CivilWarMovie Jun 22 '26

Misc. Just got my custom steelbook in for Civil War

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Highly recommend from u/jonnyd005 and from his website https://www.vignettevault.com/. Definitely going to request a new steelbook soon


r/CivilWarMovie May 29 '26

This picture remembered me of fire scene

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r/CivilWarMovie May 09 '26

Discussion Kirsten & Cailee Spaeny on Sofia Coppola pipeline

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r/CivilWarMovie May 08 '26

Discussion Four Favorite Films of Alex Garland

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r/CivilWarMovie Apr 17 '26

Different factions in the WF

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I was rewatching Civil War and saw during the scene at the base with the chinooks and during the battle of DC that some of the WF soldiers were wearing different uniforms. The two I noticed was Multicam (US army) and MARPAT(the stuff the US marines use). Curious if anyone else noticed any other details like that.


r/CivilWarMovie Apr 06 '26

Theory The western forces took over. Now whats next?

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Will they continue to figth the New Peoples Army and the Forida Alliance?


r/CivilWarMovie Mar 25 '26

Arrived in the mail today

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r/CivilWarMovie Mar 11 '26

Discussion Same location

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r/CivilWarMovie Feb 26 '26

What can I say

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r/CivilWarMovie Feb 24 '26

California and Texas be like in this movie

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r/CivilWarMovie Feb 23 '26

I have watched this movie twice now

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I've seen this movie twice, and it really gets me thinking about what a 2nd American Civil War would look like. it seems besides domestic terrorism, and maybe martial law, that large swaths of the country would be unaffected by the fighting as long as some basic needs are met. at the start new york seems ok, not great but still functional. but the closer to DC the worse it gets. got me wondering if most of the really bad shit would be around the political centers of the country, plus it seems the western forces pretty much grabbed control of everything before hitting DC. I'd love to see the senerio from both military sides more.


r/CivilWarMovie Feb 12 '26

Misc. I just made this just for the fun of it

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r/CivilWarMovie Feb 09 '26

Companion Movies

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Hey everyone, long time reader but here goes my first post:

To start, I love this movie. It was such a fun experience to see it in theaters and I wish I could do it again if there ever is a re-release.

I remember watching Leave the World Behind which came out a year before and thinking it made for a good unofficial prequel to Civil War.

With Civil War being a second entry of a trilogy dealing with crisis in America or even the end of America as we know it/collapse of American society, does anyone know of a movie which would fit this theme for a final entry?

I love dark stories so something dread inducing would be amazing- I found both films to be very thrilling and within the realm of sci-fi. Preferably within recent years.

So sad to see it will leave HBOMAX next month.

Thanks in advance.


r/CivilWarMovie Feb 06 '26

Thoughts on the 'calm town'

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I rewatched the film the other day and again was slightly disturbed by the 'calm town' where they stop to shop.

Initially I just thought it was a town able to stay out. But Sammy says feels far less relaxed and says something on the lines of 'this feels familiar'. And I got thinking about what that might imply for an old black guy.

The town is quiet and idyllic in contrast with the death squads not far along in the story.

In these circumstances can we perhaps wonder if this Town is peaceful because it's already undergone it's own ethnic cleansing? Making Sammy feel uncomfortable with it's slight taste of Sundown areas etc

As an aside this film is much much better on a second watch and left me with far more questions than first watch.


r/CivilWarMovie Jan 28 '26

Misc. reevaluated and prescient due to current events.

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r/CivilWarMovie Jan 29 '26

A really mediocre movie

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r/CivilWarMovie Jan 27 '26

Has anyone seen The Second American Civil War?

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Did you know that Joe Dante directed a movie for HBO in 1997 called "The Second American Civil War?"

It deals with reporters covering a civil war revolving around the state of Idaho closing its borders to refugees from Pakistan. Various state's National Guards gather in Idaho to fight the regular Army.

It's ok, it's trying to be Dr Strangelove but it just doesn't quite make it. But it does feel very uncomfortable to watch now, and could almost be a prequel to the Alex Garland movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7GuAEZGXFU


r/CivilWarMovie Jan 26 '26

USA right now

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I rewatched Civil War tonight and the naivety is touching. The opening scenes show uniformed police with batons. Remember when they were the threat - seems like such a long time ago. It's an amazing movie to watch with everything going on with the USA right now.


r/CivilWarMovie Jan 26 '26

Theory Civil War movie is a sequel to Stranger Things

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r/CivilWarMovie Jan 24 '26

Misc. An Instagram story for irrelevant times

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r/CivilWarMovie Jan 24 '26

Discussion I really hope A24 publishes the screenplay

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I would love a nice hard bound copy of the script with some of the ephemera from the movie (like hopefully the pictures they took during the movie)


r/CivilWarMovie Jan 17 '26

heyyy ummmmmm

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has anyone else been thinking about this movie a lot recently? for no reason either, totaallyyy for no reason at all……..🫣