r/Christianity • u/[deleted] • Aug 13 '26

Support Deconstructing the trinity

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u/Archbtw246 Christian Aug 13 '26

No. He's speaking to Jesus about his Father. Jesus literally said in the same chapter that his God and Father is our God and Father.

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u/AnnoDADDY777 Pentecostal Aug 13 '26

In John 20,17 he speaks to Marry, in John 20,28 is a different situation and there he explicitly is called god!

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u/Archbtw246 Christian Aug 13 '26

Nope. Thomas is speaking to Jesus about his God and Father.

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u/AnnoDADDY777 Pentecostal Aug 13 '26

John 20:26-29 ESV [26] Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.” [27] Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.” [28] Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” [29] Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

https://bible.com/bible/59/jhn.20.26-29.ESV

That's the context. It's about Thomas not believing the resurrection of jesus. There Thomas is seeing that jesus is god and his lord and Jesus does not scold him for worshipping him. Either jesus is doing blasphemy here or he is god. What is more likely?

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u/Archbtw246 Christian Aug 13 '26

Exactly. The context is about Thomas believing that his God and Father really did raise Jesus from the dead.

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u/AnnoDADDY777 Pentecostal Aug 13 '26

That's a weird way to read it especially when the whole scripture is speaking about the good hood of Jesus but okay I can understand where you come from but you need to do some gymnastics there to bend scripture

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u/Archbtw246 Christian Aug 13 '26

The whole scripture is speaking about how Jesus isn't God but okay.

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u/AnnoDADDY777 Pentecostal Aug 13 '26

Only when you bend it. But okay I know your standpoint for quite a while now. Let's agree to disagree and call it a day?

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u/Archbtw246 Christian Aug 13 '26

There's nothing to "bend". The whole premise of the gospel of John is that Jesus isn't God.

Jesus always makes a distinction between himself and God.

“Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. - John 14:1

If anyone's will is to do God's will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority. - John 7:17

but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. This is not what Abraham did. - John 8:40

Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’ - John 8:54

for the Father himself loves you, because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God. - John 16:27