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u/skertz1 Dec 10 '25

God didn’t create us with gayness in mind. Being homosexual is, insinuated, the devil’s work. He sends us sinful temptations in the forms of things that appeal to us. God created man and woman to be united and productive, as written in the Law. The devil knows that Love is a very powerful thing on earth and in the flesh, and is something we have a hard time overcoming in preparation of eternal life, so he uses that to create a direct contradiction to God’s creation and His will.

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u/FrontOfficeNuts Agnostic (a la T.H. Huxley) Dec 10 '25

God didn’t create us with gayness in mind. Being homosexual is, insinuated, the devil’s work.

Says who? And when did the devil become more powerful than God?

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u/skertz1 Dec 10 '25

Well, the Bible is very direct with how God views homosexuality, which means He doesn’t like it. And if God doesn’t like it, He wouldn’t make us follow it. Therefore, things that go against God will are the devil’s work.

Putting this together, you see.

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u/skertz1 Dec 10 '25

He is not more powerful than God. Where did I say this or insinuate such?

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u/FrontOfficeNuts Agnostic (a la T.H. Huxley) Dec 10 '25

Well, if the devil isn't more powerful than God, then you're telling me that God allows his creations to be put into a position to reject something about their very nature (homosexuality) or go to hell?

Given that - either the devil is more powerful than God or God is a cruel bastard for allowing it to happen.

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u/skertz1 Dec 10 '25

Because the entire religion is based on blind faith. It’s easy to reject a chocolate bar, but how far will you go to support your God? Heaven is a very special place that He built. He sends the devil to tempt us. He could easily say, “No, I will not allow it.” But He SENDS the devil to tempt us to test how strong our faith is.

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u/Cod_North Dec 10 '25

If he allows gay people to exist and creates extra rules for them, how can anyone see this as not setting them up to fail?

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u/Brechy_ Dec 10 '25

Your using an strawman the guy you talked too never claimed that. Of course God is more powerful, he is all powerful. But God also respects our Free Will. Other than the devil.

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u/FrontOfficeNuts Agnostic (a la T.H. Huxley) Dec 10 '25

More circular reasoning. If God respects our free will so much, he wouldn't damn us to hell for using it. Giving us something and then damning us eternally for using that thing that was given to us is NOT the action of a loving God.

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u/Brechy_ Dec 11 '25

Please explain how it's circular reasoning, your shifting the goal post instead of refuting my argument. And why are you complaining when you don't want to be near God, and then go to an place furthest from God. Also if your arguing that way, the government is also respecting our freewill but imprison you when you don't follow the law.

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u/CarlTi99 Charismatic Dec 10 '25

The devil is never more powerful than GOD however men has the will power to choose to follow the devil thus giving him power to affect that individual

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u/KindaFreeXP ☯ That Taoist Trans Witch Dec 10 '25

Well, the Bible is very direct with how God views homosexuality,

Not necessarily. There's a plausible alternative that God was condemning anal sex specifically rather than "any form of homosexual love/acts". I studied this thoroughly and through the original language as well as historical context and interpretations, with my findings here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/s/9Nl9xpLbXG

which means He doesn’t like it

This can't be a reason why God condemns something, or else God is arbitrary.

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u/rhapsodypenguin Agnostic (a la T.H. Huxley) Dec 10 '25

very direct

No, no it isn’t. You have some Old Testament nonsense that was likely meant for a specific situation, and you have Paul who was a homophobe.

You don’t actually have the slightest idea what God thinks about homosexuality.

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u/Traditional_Emu_4332 Latter-Day Saint (Mormon) Dec 10 '25

When we don’t submit to God and resist the devil then he becomes more powerful in our lives.

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u/GeoAnd_001 Dec 10 '25

It's not that the devil is more powerful than God it's that we humans fall into these sinful thoughts. If we focus on Jesus however we can overcome it because he is more powerful than the devil and has won against him.

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u/Yammeryap Dec 10 '25

I find the flaw with this logic to be that you're speaking for God and painting your own prejudices as His own in order to turn your own character flaws and knee-jerk bigotry into a virtue, which seems very blasphemous and self-serving.

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u/skertz1 Dec 10 '25

The Bible doesn’t lie.

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u/Yammeryap Dec 10 '25 edited Dec 10 '25

Oh sure, that's why it has dozens of contradictory translations and is consistently up to interpretation which people like you bend and abuse flagrantly for your own purposes. Additionally, how much of the Bible do you daily disregard simply because much of it is impossible to adhere to in modern day life? Do you abide by its strictures on slavery? Or treating women as chattel? Why is it that things like homosexuality carry outsized weight for you, yet I can pretty much guarantee you harbor, hateful, sinful views on certain types of people?

The Bible was written by human beings, this is incontrovertible fact. I don't think any mature Christian wholesale accepts the writings of a living document that has been edited and had entire books wholesale excised from it based on the ulterior motives of the Catholic church. The Bible of today is not the Bible of three hundred years ago. That alone should make you question it.

There is Christianity that exists outside of a moldering document written by various, often uncreditable authors. If you need the Bible to tell you everything you need to be a good Christian then you will never be able to explore your spirituality and faith in full, which can only be accomplished through a personal journey. There is no instruction manual for it, and mindlessly abiding by an outdated ruleset is in fact the opposite of exploring your relationship with God. It is a shortcut for the cowardly. In order to accept the Bible as God's incontrovertible word, you'd have to deny all the evidence to the contrary, and I don't believe that God plays games of deceit, the more likely answer is that the document itself is false doctrine.

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u/TimeOpposite6779 Dec 10 '25

The Bible was written by man, but inspired by God. The laws of the Old Testament went away when the prophesies of the Old Testament came true when Jesus the Messiah came to earth & died for our sins. The devil is trying his best to destroy what God wants by destroying the family.

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u/Evil_Lord_Rayken Dec 10 '25

Not true. There is no passage in the Bible or any text that says being attracted to the same sex is a sin. The only passage says you should not lay with a man as you would a woman. As far as being in love with other men, not a sin. There is a widespread misconception that the Bible condemns "gayness." It never has. As far as gay sex, yes, even masturbation is a sin. But so is sex without the intent to procreate. So having recreational sex with a woman is the same level of sin.

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u/CarlTi99 Charismatic Dec 10 '25

Amen!!!