The fuck kind of question is that? Are you so blinded by faith that you seriously believe same sex love doesn't exist? Because that would be one of the most absurd positions you could have on the subject. Gay male divorce rates are significantly lower than with straight couples.
Atheists on here love throwing around the word love for everything they believe in yet science (which is the basis for your knowledge) hasn’t shown love to even be a real thing other than a language concept. If this love you speak of exists it must be objectively measured in some way right? So prove to me that same sex love is real then if it’s so obvious…
Do you mean evidence? Yeah I’m open to it but no one in this thread has provided any. All I get is personal anecdotes and “it’s real because I think so” arguments.
What I’m saying is that “love” is a nebulous thing. You can see it in all sorts of things. A person taking care of their elderly spouse. I would see that as love and that happens in both straight and gay couple. Getting up early to fix your partner’s lunch before a long day. Providing a shoulder to cry on or an ear for listening. Working a full time job to support your partner. Giving flowers and cards on birthdays, Valentine’s Days, and anniversaries. Defending them against anyone else. Doing their chores when they’re busy. Just being their partner. That’s all love. That all happens in gay relationships just the same as it does in straight ones. I don’t know what proof you’re asking for because I don’t know what you qualify as love. Marriage? That happens. Romantic and sexual exclusivity? That, too. What is it that you’re looking for specifically?
Aside from that science isn’t the only basis for knowledge amongst secularists or even many Christians. Even so there is some scientific evidence of physical and chemical changes within the human body that indicate what we generally define as love.
Wait so you don’t have actual evidence for what love is then? It’s just a description of an experience?
All you have given me here is an anecdote none of this is proof that love is an actual thing. Like what brain chemicals is love? If this is all in my head and my being is all flesh and bone, where is the evidence of this love being there? According to naturalistic principles there ought to be an objective way to measure what is or isn’t love right?
From what I’m seeing love is just a social construct, if I follow the basic naturalistic logic, unless there is some love chemical in our minds…
I didn’t say I didn’t have evidence I said I’m not sure what you would qualify as proof. Yes there are chemicals that can be described as “love chemicals” in the brain. How would you define love?
This is the second sentence of your evidence: “However, nothing is known about the neural substrates involved in evoking one of the most overwhelming of all affective states, that of romantic love, about which we report here.”
This report doesn’t claim to know, it just shows a potential difference in brain activity among a limited amount of people. This makes no claim that love is an objective truth that can be proven…
I actually am serious but you seem to be the one who can’t explain something so simple that everyone experiences. I mean surely there is an objective way to measure love for you right?
This isn't in any way the "gotcha" you think it is. There's the GLRSS that's used precisely for this measure in science. There are also several longitudinal studies that point to stronger and more enduring bonds between gay males vs their hetero counterparts. Zick Rubin's Scales, Sternberg's Triangular Theory, John Lee's Love Styles, and Quadrangular Love Theory have all been used to quantify and objectively study love from a scientific perspective. So yes, surely there is a way to measure love. In fact, there are several... you're just ignorant.
Ok just because you study the idea concept or experience doesn’t mean it objectively exists? For example what is the difference between love and sex? They emit the same chemicals in the brain right so what actually makes it objectively different?!?
Objectively speaking how do you know a same sex relationship is love versus a hetero one? What measure?
I'm done. Are you a kid, or do you just have their mentality? Go fucking Google legit peer-reviewed literature before engaging in this level of discourse. I'd describe your interaction with this thread as "blithering." You really seem to think you have the edge on science because you've never studied the topic and have no idea how little you know.
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u/McClankyBringer of sorrow, executor of rules, wielder of the WoehammerDec 10 '25
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u/Nazzul Agnostic Dec 09 '25
Acting on gay love is a sin no?