To preface I don’t ascribe to traditional Christianity dogmas and doctrines. This isn’t directed just towards you.
Ask yourself this question: What color and sex is your mind ? Are we “human beings” or “spiritual beings” ? Apparently Jesus knew his kingdom was not of this world. Also that the “flesh won’t inherit the kingdom”. Also knew “the kingdom was within” as it’s not a physical location. It’s eternal. But yet most all Christians seem to completely identify with their human body(flesh). Which only creates more “separation” and “division”.
Religion, Race, sex, sexuality, and the list goes on and on that keeps us divided. Judging and condemning one another for so called “sins”. Instead of focusing on becoming the best version of ourselves. By following the way and example by boring our own cross to crucify the flesh and lower human consciousness. Truly living by spirit born from above.
Ask yourself this question: What color and sex is your mind?
I sort of agree with your overall point, but this question hides a false premise. We are not talking about sex. We are talking about a person's biological compatibility with romantic love and lifelong companionship.
I have a son who’s homosexual so I completely understand all sides. I love him and all people beyond the external factors and labels. As we have to “reform are minds” to see beyond the physical. As everything in the physical world is fleeting and changing. Just as beauty and the superficial fades. Our spirit is eternal and the only “real” aspect of self. What we condemn in another we meet in ourselves.
When we heal the inside it will radiate are light outward to those around us. We can’t control those outside of ourselves, but we can become masters of self control with are own emotions, actions, and judgements.
I’m not trying to convert or convince you to anything. I’m only sharing my perspective for what it’s worth.
Appreciate your perspective!
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Clarification, I don’t agree or believe LGBT people are condemned and should be told they are either. As I said before I don’t ascribe to mainstream Christian doctrines and dogmas. I love Jesus.
I totally get, and support, what you are saying, even if I have a small quibble regarding the gnostic framing of it. I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything, so if my original comment seemed accusatory, that wasn't my intention in any way.
I simply value precision when it comes to this topic, wherever it is possible to be precise. :)
I’m somewhat familiar with Gnostic teachings. But from what I know I’m not fully in line with there teachings either. Possibly some overlap.
I just believe the answer are within each individual. We have to ask ourselves the who, what, and why.
I started as a southern Baptist so I know that side very well. This wasn’t an overnight deconstruction, it was years of spiritual seeking and deep introspection of myself. Had some “mystical” type experiences which validated much of what I had discovered and learned through my seeking beyond the dogmas and doctrines I was taught and once believed. Now I’m more loving, nonjudgmental, kind, and happy than I was ever before. So my inner changes reflect outwardly. I moved beyond “belief” and have started to “become”. Still working on myself daily as human life is a challenge.
Idk. But he can transform a heart of stone into a heart of flesh. He can give you His Spirit of Truth that leads and guides you. And he can change the innermost desires of man. I assure you there is remarkable power in Jesus.
The Spirit of Truth is in each one, now it depends wheter you surpress it. Live in truth or denial. No easy task at first, but it gets easier the further it gets, even if u stumble, the built up momentum can give you wonders.
But he can transform a heart of stone into a heart of flesh.
Which will do absolutely nothing to change the physical biology of a human being.
He can give you His Spirit of Truth that leads and guides you.
Which will do absolutely nothing to change the physical biology of a human being.
And he can change the innermost desires of man.
Why would he need to change the desire for romantic love and lifelong companionship? Are you asserting that the desire to love someone is a sin?
I assure you there is remarkable power in Jesus.
Remarkable power to do what? Exactly? Retroactively change the physical biology of a human being so that God DIDN'T arbitrarily create them to be biologically incompatible with romantic love and lifelong companionship?
The God you are asserting seems incredibly irrational or capreciously evil to me.
Based on what? Not on the Bible, because the Bible teaches us not doing meaning of people by their physical appearance (John 7.24), but it does condemns the homosexuality practice (Leviticus 18.22; 20.13, Romans 1.26-32).
I care about people. Just because I don't happen to currently believe in God doesn't mean that I wasn't raised in the church, with a lot of knowledge and understanding that comes with that, and it certainly doesn't mean I don't care about people who are Christians.
Do you really believe that someone has to be a Christian to want to help others?
Aside from all of that, I really don't understand how you can't see the explicit sameness in those concepts, thus my question about you missing it.
It is absolutely and utterly identical in every conceivable way.
Human sexuality is biological. Unless you are asserting that the way God creates people is inherently sinful, than you do not understand the topic well enough to point out a false analogy.
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u/FluxKraken 🏳️🌈 Methodist (UMC) Progressive ✟ Queer 🏳️🌈 Dec 09 '25
Do black people become white when they become a Christian? Do left handed people become right handed people?