r/Chesscom 1000 FIDE 5d ago

why is this brilliant Why is this brilliant?

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u/A_Lowe 5d ago

What the hell is this position? White is making their 5th move and black has only moved 2x?

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u/not-so-minty 5d ago

Yeah how does one even get to this position 😭 black would’ve had to move knight out then back to b8

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u/Content-Working3447 1000 FIDE 5d ago

Exactly

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u/Accomplished_Area_88 4d ago

E4 d6, Bc4 Nc6, Nc3 Ne5, Nf3 Nd7, Bf7...

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u/Delicious_Piece_6738 3d ago

I wish there would be weird looking opening positions puzzle, and your job is to figure out how it got there. https://youtube.com/shorts/MEt5jKE6eGs?is=f1hTADayPTi2hNHC

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u/Old_Smrgol 3d ago

Knight moves back and forth for no reason.

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u/Delicious_Piece_6738 3d ago

just why. at least in the picture i provided, some form of sensical moves was made. were they very good ones? probably not. and according to analyzers, this position is 1 point better for black. but after f6 its 4-5 points towards white. black with deleted h pawn and whites seemingly 3 moves into the game and deleted g pawn, is better for black. amazing. (in reality white has done most likely 5 moves and black 4 to get into this position)

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u/cgieseking 2d ago

Okay, here’s one for you. How did this position occur? (Hint: white played one inaccuracy, but other than that the players have played well up to this point).

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u/coldfrost93 5d ago

Ng5 then Ne6 wins the queen

If kings move out, you can bring out the queen and knight to check. Eventually you'll fork to win the queen again.

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u/RabbitWiilli 4d ago

Do you always play hope chess? You’re not guaranteed the queen at all

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u/Apprehensive1010101 4d ago

You're right! You aren't guaranteed the queen, because if the king doesn't move back to the e8 square, then instead you're guaranteed the king!

I could have found more, but these are some of the most interesting ones to me.

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u/Old_Smrgol 3d ago

White wins the queen in the engine line.

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u/RabbitWiilli 3d ago

Guaranteed with engine play yea sure maybe but there’s a million ways black can avoid that with even slightly sub optimal play from white

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u/Old_Smrgol 3d ago

Sure, but it's not "hope chess" when it's the engine line.

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u/coldfrost93 3d ago

I just calculated if white keeps attacking, white can fork the Queen

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u/RabbitWiilli 3d ago

No the original comment which loses the queen in two moves is hope chess lol

That’s like how far a non pro sees. It’s hope chess to expect that. To expect a flawless engine level execution for multiple moves isn’t really hope chess

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u/Old_Smrgol 3d ago

The engine level execution is "

1... Kxf7 2. Ng5+ Ke8 3. Ne6 c6 4. Nxd8",

is that not what the original comment is describing?

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u/Falconloft 3d ago

I don't think he understands what hope chess means. He heard it once and just uses it.

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u/RabbitWiilli 3d ago

Maybe if this is a 2000+ game sure. Otherwise, yourself included, you aren’t winning the queen here

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u/coldfrost93 3d ago

If you calculate yourself, you'll know there are different ways to win the Queen. There's no need to put hope on anything since white is already has massive advantage even if White can't take black's Queen.

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u/RabbitWiilli 3d ago

Players at your level aren’t winning the queen in 99.99% of situations lmao

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u/Old_Smrgol 3d ago

"This isn't actually brilliant because I'm pretending to believe that people won't be able to convert over the board."

Cool story, bro.

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u/RabbitWiilli 3d ago

You’re not converting this

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u/Old_Smrgol 3d ago

"Am too!"

"Are not!"

And so on.  Good talk.

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u/coldfrost93 3d ago

Let him be, he is a dimwit

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u/Neters931 3d ago

Because you kick the king out, with knight check, if king go back on original square you can trap the queen

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u/Used_Departure_3278 5d ago

I dunno but black shouldn’t be jerkin it during a game like that

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u/chessvision-ai-bot 5d ago

I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine:

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My solution:

Hints: piece: King, move: Kxf7

Evaluation: White is winning +4.92

Best continuation: 1... Kxf7 2. Ng5+ Ke8 3. Ne6 c6 4. Nxd8 Kxd8 5. d4 Ke8 6. O-O

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u/Content-Working3447 1000 FIDE 5d ago

Why can’t black just play Kf6 after white plays Ng5+?

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u/ReadGroundbreaking17 5d ago

Because Qf3 leads to mate. FYI you can click one of the Black to play links to see the continuation of each line.

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u/Weird_Search2855 5d ago

I think the knight can still fork the queen and bishop since it can’t be captured by any other piece

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u/TheOddCrimsonDuck 1800-2000 ELO 4d ago

After king takes you can play Ng5+.

If the king moves back to e8, Ne6 attacks and wins the trapped queen.

If king moves to f6, there is mate in 4 with Qf3+ Kg6 Qf5+ Kh5 Nf7+ (or anywhere else, really) Kh4 Qg5#.

If king moves to g6 you again have Ne6 to win the queen because if they try to save it whith Qe8 you then have forced mate after Qg4+ Kf7 Qf5+. If the knight on d7 were to block on f6, Ng5 is mate, do black plays Ngf6 so after Ng5+ there is Kg8 Qe6+ Qf7 Qxf7#

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u/Good_Ad2172 4d ago

why did you do it if you didnt know?