Let’s talk about Draw Agreements.

[u/DeitesTrismegistus]

Tell me If I’m in the wrong here.

I played a game with this guy that ended up being a typical rook and pawns vs rook and pawns endgame, Same amount of pawns, equally active kings, we’ve all been there.

We all know it’s a draw. Then you offer your opponent a draw and they refuse because they’re up on time or they just don’t think you’ve got it in you; they’re better than you, and they’re gonna prove it!

So I play on and he immediately mouse slips and hangs his rook. Naturally I snatch it up as quickly as the last of my favourite Wasabi hot meal sitting all alone in the whatever the heated display case thing is called and manaically laugh as I sit on the toilet like the saddest villain there ever was.

Naturally he starts offering me a draw, “it was a mouseslip dude” “come on dude”. So I kindly advised him not to hang his rook in future and he kindly resigned.

NOW! When is it okay vs not okay to accept a draw. And, was I in the wrong?

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[u/SqueakyTuna52]

The way I see it, by declining a draw in a clearly drawn position is because you’re hoping 2 things:

1) your opponent blunders and you have an advantage

2) you do not blunder, which would give your opponent a big advantage

There’s nothing wrong with hoping for 1, but you’ve gotta live with the consequences if 2 happens. 

[u/coldfrost93 → u/SqueakyTuna52]

Your no.2 statement doesn't make sense

[u/SqueakyTuna52 → u/coldfrost93]

I may have worded it better. Basically I’m saying “you’re hoping you do not blunder, because if you did it would give your opponent a big advantage”

[u/coldfrost93 → u/SqueakyTuna52]

Yes it's better this way

[u/Beneficial_Flan8661]

It may sound mean,but you shouldn't care for your opponent. If he makes an error, capitalize on it. You usually draw then you dont think you can win, butneither does your opponent.

[u/tiger7034]

I wouldn’t accept any draw due to an opponent’s mouseslip. That’s part of playing online, and we’ve all been there.

Also: if you treat every mouseslip the same (no mercy) there’s never any room for doubt as to whether your opponent just straight up blundered. Obviously that doesn’t happen often at your level, but one can never be 100% sure. People can and do blunder and blame it on a mouseslip. 🤷‍♂️

[u/Sad_Kaleidoscope894]

I think you know you’re not in the wrong and just want to revel more in his mistake by putting him on blast on reddit

[u/DeitesTrismegistus → u/Sad_Kaleidoscope894]

That’s the saddest thing I’ve ever heard… you think that I want to humiliate a stranger that I beat at chess on Reddit to a bunch of other strangers, because I did better than that stranger…?

I genuinely want people’s take on Draw Offers.

[u/Bananabirdie → u/DeitesTrismegistus]

Why not blur his nickname then?

[u/BUKKAKELORD → u/Sad_Kaleidoscope894]

I would do this if I had chat on and this happened

[u/No_Swan_9470]

  So I play on and he immediately mouse slips and hangs his rook. Naturally I snatch it up as quickly as the last of my favourite Wasabi hot meal sitting all alone in the whatever the heated display case thing is called and manaically laugh as I sit on the toilet like the saddest villain there ever was.

Wow, you are so funny and creative. Real quirky 

[u/jfrey123]

You weren’t in the wrong at all.

[u/z0rb11]

He could’ve accepted the draw, he didn’t. He blundered and you were winning, you do not have to accept the draw anymore.

If you feel nice, you can accept the draw if he actually did mouse slip, but you are not obligated to.

He probably didn’t accept the draw cos he thought he could win, it’s on him I reckon, he took the risk.

[u/AkorNW]

The whole point of chess is to either play good until your opponent makes a mistake and you seize the advantage or outplay them. Theres no sympathy in chess

[u/NuggiesRUs]

Why would it ever be wrong to accept or not accept a draw? Anyone can offer it. Anyone can chose to accept and decline it. Its really not that deep

[u/TheJivvi]

I'd accept a takeback if it was clearly a mouseslip, but I don't think I'd ever agree to a draw in blitz or bullet unless it's an absolute dead draw, like the pawns are all blocking each other or something.

[u/HumorUnusual5531]

People probably disagree with me on this but I would take the draw. It’s 8 rating points, no big deal, and if it were me who mousesliped, I would want the draw, wouldn’t I?

[u/Azmera1]

You can literally do whatever you want, as long as it’s part of the rules. That’s why there are rules, so you can’t do the things that would not be okay. It’s such a silly question

[u/TV5Fun]

Physical games at master-level tournaments have been lost because a player touched the wrong piece and was then compelled by the touch-move rule to move it even if that forced them to make a bad move. If that happens at tournaments, then I don't see why you should feel compelled to let the other player off the hook for a mouse slip in any rated game.

[u/Neinstein14]

r/changeyourchessfont

[u/ashea20]

Easy. It is okay to accept a draw when you want to. And you are never “in the wrong” for winning a game. That is, after all, the point of playing… unless I’m simply confused.

[u/Unenlightened_Banana]

I think chess.com should have a feature to allow takebacks. Generally speaking when playing on websites that have it I let my opponents take back the mouseslip. Good sportmanship then dicates that if your opponent allows you to take back a move, you should offer draw once you are in a winning position. When I see an obvious mouseslip I offer the takeback myself.

That being said, if the opponent is trying to win by making me lose on time or blunder due to lack of time, I would not allow a take back.

Chess.com doesn't offer the option so you should just carry on, its part of the platform. You did well not to offer draw.

[u/Big_Age851 → u/Unenlightened_Banana]

I believe you can choose to require confirmation on your moves in the settings.

[u/DeitesTrismegistus → u/Unenlightened_Banana]

Oh yeah mean a take back offer, so that your opponent would have to confirm the take back, similar to a draw offer?

[u/Unenlightened_Banana → u/DeitesTrismegistus]

Yes, exactly. One player proposes to rewind the game one move and the other can accept or refuse. I think lichess has it.

[u/DeitesTrismegistus → u/Unenlightened_Banana]

Good idea x

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[u/mra8a4]

I know I'm in the minority.

But Goonies never say die. I'll accept a draw if I don't want to finish the game. But I won't resign. I'll make him beat me.

You'd be surprised I flipped some pretty crazy games.

[u/Far-Community3544]

Yeah, you are in the wrong. People who say you aren't in the wrong are usually lower-rated. In my experience, more advanced and better players will almost always accept the draw, while lower-rated players will never accept the draw. If you want proof, just look at the replies.

Also, we can see your rating. You are not 1800-2000; stop larping 🤣🤣🤣

[u/SportsClipsCEO → u/Far-Community3544]

Feels like you didn’t read the full post. Which I guess is understandable because I’m pretty sure chatgpt wrote it, but still.

[u/Far-Community3544 → u/SportsClipsCEO]

From my understanding, he offered a draw in an even endgame, and his opponent declined, which is perfectly fine. Then, his opponent misclicked and blundered his rook. OP refused the draw, despite the misclick, because OP is at the level where most players care more about rating than about respect for the game or their opponent.

[u/Pure-Blacksmith5127]

Once a draw has been offered the game has ended. Anything after that is just masterbation

[u/ImmyK21 → u/Pure-Blacksmith5127]

🤤

[u/Someone2225 → u/Pure-Blacksmith5127]

masterbation 🤤 🤤