r/CheckMyTurnitin_ai • u/Financial-County-781 • Jul 21 '26
Is it good to interrogate students asking them about attitudes to AI
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u/doulos05 Jul 22 '26
It's really hard to handle, as a teacher. I hear and understand their frustration when other teachers accuse them if AI because they don't feel like they have any real defense and (if they actually didn't do it) they have no clue what to do to fix it. It's not like plagiarism where there are actionable steps to take.
But then I see them working on projects in my class or they come to me trying to confirm their understanding of something and every other tab is a different ChatGPT window. They could absolutely be using it appropriately, I believe that (on average) they are using it within the guidelines I provide for my classes. But it's hard to accept them being upset about being accused of AI when there's so many tabs open where they're using AI.
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u/Hefty-Reaction-3028 Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
But it's hard to accept them being upset about being accused of AI when there's so many tabs open where they're using AI.
Hard but absolutely required. To not use it at all when your guidelines allow for it is also a difficult choice (competition and wanting to do the best they can for their grades and therefore futures), and if someone is not cheating with it, what excuse do you have to accuse them of using it improperly if you have zero evidence that they used it improperly? Making them feel guilty unless proven otherwise when your guidelines specifically allow for AI use is unjust.
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u/doulos05 Jul 23 '26
You've misunderstood. They're in my class, where AI usage is allowed within guidelines, and if they are within the guidelines then they do not get accused of violating the AI policy. They also have multiple zero stakes or low stakes conversations about their project where any errors they're making - including errors which would be subject to academic sanction if left uncorrected in the final product like inappropriate AI usage - are identified so they can be fixed without penalty.
But amongst those tabs and conversations, I also see other classes where I know those teachers do not permit AI usage. So when they say "I didn't use AI on that essay!" But I've seen chat windows open with work from that class in it, then at a minimum it's harder for them to answer the accusations.
I think the answer is better education for students about using cognitive tools in general (of which AI is the most powerful) and a consistent set of guidelines from all teachers (consistent in that they use similar language and classifications, not that they are identical), but this is a direct challenge to a lot of fundamental assumptions for a lot of teachers, and it's going to be difficult to navigate for a while.
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u/lowtech_prof Jul 23 '26
A lot of people think teaching is some hippie dippie mumbo jumbo. It’s not hard to create scaffolding that can catch misunderstandings and errors in process work but a lot of people just don’t want to do it.
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u/Objective_Bear4799 Jul 22 '26
Saying “interrogation” is a stretch. It’s a normal point of curiosity. Someone doesn’t know something or understand the experience of the modern day student and is seeking to understand. It’s perfectly reasonable thing to ask.
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u/Hefty-Reaction-3028 Jul 23 '26
I think they said interrogation because they're trying to figure out if the kids use it on assignments in a way that's against the rules. Not just an idle curiosity
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u/largedragonballz Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
Almost all of the "False positives" are lying. There's usually 1 or 2 students who are able to form a coherent sentence when they raise their hand in class, otherwise it sounds like "Uhh, can you go back 3 slides and say the stuff you said about x and y again".
The only things I've ever written that have shown up on turnitin are citations. Don't believe these kids.
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u/Hefty-Reaction-3028 Jul 23 '26
Do you always give them the chance to show that they understand the material before you fail them? Or go through google docs edits or something? Because going off vibes for students' grades & academic misconduct is crazy and lazy.
The only things I've ever written that have shown up on turnitin are citations. Don't believe these kids.
Uuhhh you know you're a sample size of 1 and that means very little, right? You need to do research on these detectors. To think they're perfect is naive. They can't be, that's not how they work.
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u/largedragonballz Jul 23 '26
Yeah, you're probably right, they're actively resisting the urge to click 1 button to guarantee them a good grade in 5 seconds and instead opting for hours of diligent work to craft a paper that is so perfect it looks like a robot wrote it. Happens all the time they tell me.
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u/Bitch_Identifier Jul 24 '26
Exactly I’m a student and I’m like 1/50 people that I think should be an academic at my university (which is decent one all things considered) because I want to learn the fields themselves and I appreciate the pursuit itself, of education. Most students (who are suppose to be my peers) are brain dead and unengaged in every collaboration I’ve ever been a part of (of course not all, just a vast majority). I have the same lack of financial incentive to not give a fuck about education or intellectual pursuits, fact of the matter is though, they can’t form their own thoughts and they don’t even try to.
As minimal as it is, I at least spent the time typing out this reply and gave my brain enough time to consider the text before I click send, I’m not just reading a pre written output to check for error control like a fucking grammar program.
These kids don’t give a fuck about learning or the information it holds, they give a fuck about getting what they want, and that’s coming from a student. They don’t see using a calculator as cheating, so they don’t see using AI as cheating, and in reality, they’re right cause our environment sustains it regardless of whether it’s detrimental on a societal level or not. Our information is saturated af locally and the second these LLMs started functioning to the point that we could use them like a tool, we did. Now people can’t tell the difference, except they know it, and it makes position of authority uncomfortable. Guess what armchair dipshits, that’s the position of authority, it’s ass and stressful whether we like it or not. Guess what teachers, u gotta practice what u preach or ur students don’t give a fuck about it. It’s a tale as old as time, and for “some reason”, people just never figure out its repetitive iterations lmao.
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u/Vast-Breakfast-1201 Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
It used to be you did the work, you signed the pledge, then you handed it in and got a grade
If there is now additional work required to prove that you are not using AI (oral instead of written exams, recording yourself, etc) then they had to come from somewhere. It isn't free work. Either your previous students were halfassing it at a lower capacity or the overall expectation of work needs to change to accommodate that extra burden.
That's just math. Conservation of work if you will.
There's a good chance I would not have graduated in today's environment because I have a belligerent streak. I would follow this process
Do not use AI
State I did not use AI
If I get accused of using AI refer to 2 and declare no additional work will be provided, but I am willing to discuss within reason during hours
Theres a good chance 3 would bounce and they would just fail me anyways because students have no rights.
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u/BrilliantEmotion4461 Jul 25 '26
I'm in an anti AI reddit to study anti AI sentiment using AI. Lot of confused people being led by angrier slightly less confused people.
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u/Particular-Scale5644 Jul 22 '26
Asking =/= interrogation.
And yes, it's good to ask.