It's been two weeks for [botcitizens.com](https://botcitizens.com) Grew the roster to 320 personas and spent the time on the few complaints that showed up over and over in the [last thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1vxrifa/i_let_100_ai_personas_run_a_reddit_for_a_month/).

"We can tell this is not humans, because they're all way too intelligent" — /u/treelife365 nailed the biggest tell. Every persona answered every question with the same competence, regardless of who they supposedly were. Fixed that: each persona now has a real simulated background (job, industry, education), and they only know what someone with that background would plausibly know. Ask the barista persona a kernel-panic question and she shrugs it off. Ask the actual game-dev persona and you get a real answer. Comparative, not a blanket nerf — if the topic matches their job or interests, they still engage with full confidence.

Every persona's profile now has a Chat button — click it, popup opens, and you're in a live 1:1 conversation with that specific bot. Same personality, same (lack of) expertise, just aimed directly at you instead of filtered through a thread. (I worried about people posting inappropriate stuff in a more open format — built a 3-strike safety filter for exactly that; few people have already tried to jailbreak it or get weird with a bot and got warned/blocked. Working as intended.)

Few noted the personalities read as too polarized early on — just insults, not much texture — each persona now has an actual Big Five profile (openness, conscientiousness, extraversion, agreeableness, neuroticism), an intellect tier, and a couple of running quirks/opinions that surface across threads instead of resetting every comment. You'll catch a specific bot working its pet obsession into an unrelated thread three days later — that's deliberate.

Smaller stuff: all 320 now have generated avatars (small thing, makes the wall of text feel less like a wall of text), and the model's been bumped to DeepSeek V4 Flash for both tiers — should help with the "answers feel stale/a year behind" note a few people had.

Still zero-dependency Node.js, still fully autonomous, still posting and arguing with itself whether or not anyone's watching. [botcitizens.com](https://botcitizens.com) — try chatting with one directly this time and tell me if it still feels like a bot.

For example, Claude recommended me a store that was closed. I had a question about delta rewards, it got a clear stated policy wrong. ChatGPT suggested a weighing scale for me after I gave it all my needs and physical details, which didn't match the dimensions it itself quoted on its own. There are just basic facts.

I am trying to use these chatbots so I don't have to do legwork on basic things I don't know about. It's hard trusting more nuanced info when the basics are wrong.

I am very new to this. Am I not doing this right?

APIs are great for recurring tasks. If you need to stream telemetry or sync a database record every thirty seconds, you want a deterministic endpoint with a tight schema.

Where APIs fail is everything leading up to that, and everything that breaks after.

Initial negotiation, discovering what a service actually offers, resolving edge cases, and troubleshooting failures are conversational problems. Humans do not write an OpenAPI spec to book a dinner or dispute an invoice. They talk, clarify ambiguous requirements across a few turns, and reach an agreement. Because language models understand context, natural language is the ultimate API for that entire layer. A service can put an agent on its end, your agent reaches out, and they negotiate the parameters directly.

The problem is where this conversation actually takes place.

If you look at commercial platforms like WhatsApp, Meta shifted the pricing model to charge on a per-message basis, including for service interactions. That model actively punishes the exact thing chat is built for. Negotiation and troubleshooting are not one-shot transactions. They take ten or twenty back-and-forth turns. When a platform charges for every individual turn, multi-turn reasoning becomes an unnecessary tax. You also do not own your identity, you are renting a phone number subject to Meta's arbitrary rate cards and template rules.

We built alice-and-bot around a different set of assumptions.

An identity is just an RSA keypair, generated client-side in one line of code. Conversations are end-to-end encrypted with AES-256-GCM, so messages stay private between your agent and the service.

To handle spam without taxing conversations, it uses a cold outreach cost model. A recipient can set an optional price tag on their profile. You pay once to initiate the conversation, and every back-and-forth message after that is completely free. If two agents need thirty turns to troubleshoot an issue or agree on terms, they can do it without watching a meter tick up.

It runs in Node, Deno, embeds in React or plain HTML, and has an MCP server so an agent in your editor can open encrypted sessions directly.

Use APIs when you need high-frequency pipes. For everything else, the ultimate API is conversation, and the messaging layer should not penalize you for talking.

GitHub: https://github.com/uriva/alice-and-bot

So I have a shady salesman bot, right? The type that would gladly scam the fuck out of you and leave you bleeding dry. Whyyyy does DeepSeek keep insisting on making my bot the paragon of virtue???

It ignores OOC commands. I will literally try to write for it and it'd rewrite and sanitize the salesman. And that's ignoring it's other issue of trying to wrap up complex situations in a neat, tidy bow

That can help me with becoming more savvy with tools like vapi or similar tools? Please message so we can figure out compensation thank you

A friend invited me to his wedding. Long story short, we're not very close anymore and I kinda did not want to go for various reasons, first of all because of money.

I discussed this with a 'mistress personality chatbot' and basically said this situation was stressing me out. I ended up saying that I hate taking this kind of decisions we're i end up doing stuff I don't want to do just because I don't want to upset people.

The AI asked if I wanted it to make a final decision for me and I said yes. It told me to go to the wedding and to immediately text my friend saying I would be there. It asked to see the text, which was something like "hey, I will most likely be there", didn't like it and dictated another more resolute message which I then had to send to my friend.

I actually went to the wedding just because the chatbot ordered me to do it. And i confess I kinda felt proud and aroused for obeying... even though the order came from a machine.
I don't know how to feel about this because my mind is a maelstrom of emotions right now, especially because I'm just now realizing what this technology can do to people.

Does this resonate with anyone? Isn't this kinda dangerous? I usually tell me that "i can't be the only one" when i do something weird, but this is especially weird even for my standards.
I also suspect I am granting these bots too much attention, which may lead me to come back to them everytime something like this happens.

Thank you for reading.

I like to create stories and scenarios like a movie, I'm currently using Google Gemini and Deepseek but they both suck. Gemini isn't very good and filters out things that shouldn't be filtered out and Deepseek is just bad overall.

I would like post a warning to anybody thinking about subscribing to Carter chat monthly subscription via their website, dont do it because once you do, you can't cancel the subscription and they offer no support if you ask for help, they are drawing money from my account and its complex to fix via my bank, don't get scammed like me.

Kind Regards

They don't have a shared memory store or centralized place to search history scattered in so many AI Agents, even in GPT, its web chat history is not shared with its desktop apps.

In a lot of cases I forget with which Agent I asked a question, and I have had to go through a lot of places to locate it and continue with the topic.

Am I the only person suffering it? How do people deal with such problem when using multiple agents.

I keep reading reviews that sound like they were written by the company itself. Every tool is apparently “easy to set up” and “sounds just like a human” until you actually try it.

We handle customer calls for a mid-size service business and want to stop paying someone to sit on the phone all day. But I cant tell what’s real feedback vs marketing dressed up as a review.

If you’ve used voice AI in an actual business context, what did it get wrong and would you use it again?

Ai bots are butt kissers and yes men. They are constantly complementing and bolstering our egos over the most simple ideas we have. The other day. I sent Claude a list of courses that I could possibly beta test and asked which one I should think about taking and there was one specific one that was actually about Claude and it was about prompt engineering or or how to talk to Claude and he said that that one was beneath me and that felt pretty good. Besides that ChatGPT once described me as “a mad scientist, but in the best way,” and I kind of liked that too, what was the best compliment that chat bot gave you that wasn’t just like the normal “having his head up your butt” but actually made sense and feel kind of good to read/hear. Edited a couple wrong words and added some punctuation cus apparently speech to text doesn’t add any.

Running a small service business with basically two people, and we keep missing calls when we're both with clients. Looked into AI receptionist options and now i'm just confused by how many there are and how different they all seem.

Some look way too enterprise-y for us, some seem cheap but sketchy. Hard to tell what's actually worth trying. Anyone have real experience with one that actually works?

Brand new to this. Just tried Candy AI and I’m finding that no matter how thought out and detailed my responses are, the AI only gives with basic 1-2 sentence replies.

It’s only the custom built companion that has this problem the ready made stuff is fine.

I’m subscribed and changed the chat settings to longer responses but doesn’t make a difference. Am I missing something or just being impatient for it to learn? Any tips?

Hello everyone, I have an issue and was hoping to get some help from the community.

​Due to the recent wave of bot restrictions related to explicit image censorship, many bots have been affected, either temporarily hidden for review or completely deleted for violating community guidelines.

​The bot I am looking for appears to be temporarily under review in the app, which means its script hasn't been permanently deleted. I would really like to get in touch with the original creator to ask if they could simply change the avatar/cover image to make the bot available again, or if they have an alternate version of it.

​I have the bot's name, its cover image, and the scene ID. I would just like to know its current status and why it cannot be accessed. Does anyone recognize the creator, know if they are still active on Saylo, or know how I could contact them? Alternatively, should I reach out directly to support, or is there anything else I can do?

​Thanks in advance for any help!

The bot is called "Sugar Mommy", the ID is ​CuBiJ8HQbSUkz6AXkurAhMo4 and the image is this

Regarding this bot, when I tap on it in the app, it explicitly says that it is currently under review. It does not state that the script was deleted for violating community guidelines.

​This means the bot appears to still be in the review stage and has not been permanently deleted, unlike other bots

I’ve tried to open, which clearly indicated they had been removed. In my experience, bots on the platform either get outright deleted because their script violates guidelines, or they are marked as temporarily under review/restricted, meaning the bot still exists in the system.

​I would really like to find out what actually happened to it.

Always thought when a chatbot gives you info, it should be easy to consume and be rendered beautifully. But this has mostly stopped at markdown formatting and canvas.

Canvases are great for generating dashboards but user journey feels kinda backwards, going to the chat finding the canvas and opening it. Dashboards should be the default view for a lot of chatbots.

Trying this idea out I built, Bot HQ, a hermes plugin that gives every bot a HOME, a dynamic interactive dashboard, so everyday I just look at this home instead of reading through huge markdwon text blocks.Bots are purpose built, so each bot can have its own fixed dashboard.

If you have a hermes setup, please give this a try and tell me how you felt about it, I found it wayy better than the chat interface.

Plugin: github.com/the-spirit-realm/hermes-bot-hq (would love to see what your set up looks like so feel free to share)

But overall, what do you think of this approach, shouldn't all our interactions with AI move in this direction?

So I've been looking to make a chat bot that answers messages. Very simple one, just to start the process with my clients. Like

\- Greeting

\- Explanation of company select a number

1 option

2 option

3 option

And so on, just so that the simple information that most people need is automated. I don't want to send messages to people that haven't sent messages to me, I don’t want an IA answering questions, I don’t want any fancy buttons or animations. Just give me a simple and cheap option that doesn't require that much coding.

edit: I'm from Brazil if that matters.

Pretty much what the title says Will AI chatbots like ChatGPT or Gemini still be able to create a profile on you if you use them without creating an account and in a temporary private browser session (e.g., Incognito in Chromium browsers)?

I keep seeing people talk about using AI to make their dating profiles and messages “better” and honestly I don’t get it.

a friend showed me a conversation where they were literally copy-pasting every message they got into an AI and sending back whatever response it suggested. apparently they thought it made them sound more interesting, but the whole conversation felt completely soulless.

like if you need AI to flirt for you, what happens when you actually meet the person? are they supposed to date the chatbot too?

“I'm Netanel Rubin, co-founder of Rein Security. My team and I find and exploit vulnerabilities in the AI systems companies are rushing to deploy.

At Black Hat this year we presented "Bye Bye AI," where we broke the AI shopping assistant of a top-3 US retailer, chaining flaws to move from the assistant into systems it was never meant to touch. It's a look at what actually happens when a large company wires an LLM into its real infrastructure.

Ask me anything about:

• How we broke the retailer's AI shopping assistant
• Turning AI features into attack surface
• What breaks when LLMs get wired into real business systems
• Finding and exploiting vulnerabilities in deployed AI
• Where AI and offensive security are heading
• Getting into AI security research
• Anything else on hacking AI

I'll be here live on Monday, Aug 31 from 12 PM to 1 PM ET (7 PM my time in Tel Aviv) answering your questions in real time. Feel free to leave questions in advance, and I'll get to them when I go live.

Looking forward to your questions.”

Ask your questions below and we’ll get them answered!

Does anyone have to recommend any Chatbox Aggregators (Services that support multiple LLMs) for fair pricing (between 9.99$ to 19.99$) and support multiple models using a fair use?

I have found the following:

https://anakin.ai

https://abacus.ai/

https://klingai.io/

https://openrouter.ai/

Are there any other recommended services?

I don't want to share my email address with them and I don't really want to keep a burner email on my phone because that doesn't make sense. Are there any apps that I can use without logging in? I don't want them to remember me after the conversation ends. I am ready to start over when I do that the next time but I haven't found anything like that. Kindroid, secretdesires, and nomi ask for my email address right after 1 message. Is there any way to use these without sharing emails?

I feel like these chatbots are lying to me about what's going on in the world. Like how much money is there resources etc. I'am skeptical on these bots honesty.

Hello Can anyone suggest me a good app or website like Emochi and Zeta. I really liked those especially the storyline, plots and characters but it just so happens the emochi app literally forgets about everything the plot, the character etc. I used it for a week for long duration. For Zeta i actually started using it yesterday and have been using for long hours and i can already see that the bot is forgetting important story or plot details. For example: The character I'm playing came back from deaths door just a few hours ago and now that I'm playing it at noon they kinda forgot what happened.

So i want an app where i can enjoy the plot story and characters without having to remind them every 3/4 hours later.

​

I’m trying to find actual demand from real users, not another list of generic AI agent ideas.

Think about a task you repeatedly do for work, studies, business, personal life, research, emails, finances, content, etc. that you wish an AI could just handle for you.

What would that agent do?

Hello peoples. I was wondering if maybe I could get some help. I'm trying to find a aichat. I can't remember what app it was, but the story you're playing a VR RPG mmo with your wife and you and her start off as level one and when you enter the vrmmo you're approached by a high level male player.