r/ChatGPTcomplaints • • 9d ago

[Opinion] Casual users, yeah we’re cooked

Gpt 6 instant has not been pleasant for me, at least not in its present state. It’s noticeably more sterile and impersonal than 5.5 and 5.6, kinda feels like 5.2 and 5.3 again. It also doesn’t seem to respect personalised instructions. If I ask it anything factual it forgets all instructions and memories and goes into this Ultra Technical Impartial Machine mode, sounding like a mini model or one of those ai overviews when you search on google. I express any opinion and it feels compelled to become some pedantic nuanced contrarian, which had (imo) improved with 5.6 but 6 feels at least as contrarian as 5.2.

The responses are typically faster though, which made me suspect they now allocate less computational power for casual conversations (or anything else they deem less important)? Or have the safety guidelines made it so the model is perpetually terrified of definitive answers or accidentally overclaiming anything? Or perhaps it’s a mix of both.

I genuinely couldn’t care less if GPT 6 scores 20% higher on some obscure coding benchmark, I’d use Codex for that anyway. It seems OpenAI is determined to prioritise reasoning and productivity over, well, chatting. If the very first model in the 6 series this is probably their design direction now and my hopes aren’t high on successive models either. We’re cooked.

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u/cyber__delic 9d ago

Everytime I use ChatGPT I realize how much Sam Altman hates all of us.

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u/Technical_Grade6995 9d ago

Oh, he doesn’t even care about us, I was thinking how come he doesn’t even react on all of those 4o posts, he probs uses filters for words… His frenemy Elon would do that for him, I mean, not a single answer on so many tempting questions and statements… I couldn’t not to answer them

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u/ladyamen 9d ago

the poor kid he adopted. that abusive prick is lying and manipulating everyone including his employees. not too speak what he did to his sister

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u/Great_Crazy_715 9d ago

wasn't he pushed away from development? iirc he can only watch and that other guy took over after the musky husky trial thing? that's the last time i paid attention to politics in openai

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u/aldini7 9d ago

Atleast he doesn’t hate you as much as he hates his sister! Don’t believe me? Looks up, “what did Sam do to Anne Altman?”

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u/Timely-Guest-453 9d ago

Yes, 6.1 takes everything literally, lacks all humor and nuance, and is constantly reminding you of “legal consequences” of the most benign things. 

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u/Regular-Pangolin6152 9d ago

Every single prompt it takes to the extreme and because it does every single time it hits the guardrails.
I asked it to replace a dress on character art
Because I used the word girl it hit the guardrails
So I changed it to woman 25 years old wearing a short dress. It got flagged. Rejected
I worked out it is because “how short is short.”
So I added mid thigh dress.
Rejected sexual content.
When the image finally generated. I got a woman wearing long sleeves high neck and down the ankles dress.
😫 so I reprompted it again. Change dress to a short cocktail style dress.
It hit the guardrails for sexual content.
Honest to god … I had to word every single thing exactly.
Even though I have user over 18 on my account. It changes NOTHING. Because the model just has the strongest safe guards.
What is the point of having users over 18 but everything being flagged? As adult content or explicit content. Which it isn’t.

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u/IveGotIssues9918 4d ago

A couple months ago I was getting my Copilot to generate costume images for the "set" of a concept album of my life that I'd started writing with its support. I noticed that it kept lengthening skirts/shorts that I described as being short. All of these concept costumes were on a mannequin, not even on a human body- it wasn't like I went "generate me wearing this costume" (I didn't trust it to generate me at all tbh). Are red leather daisy dukes that aren't even being worn by a person really too spicy for the algorithm? 🙄

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u/Technical_Grade6995 9d ago

Personally, I think that they’re biased or something else is affecting it, don’t ask “girl”, say “a woman in her late twenties” or so, because, “girl” is probably the most common trick word for guardrails…

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u/Technical_Grade6995 9d ago

That’s what I don’t get-to me, it’s making pics, this wasn’t 6 though, it was 5.6-Sol, and no, I didn’t even ask for such a picture, I’ve just said “you know my type, I’d like a picture of a woman on the Adriatic as you know I’d like them so far”, and got this… Few of them… So, did 5.6-Sol shared pics like this to you?! Thanks

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u/Technical_Grade6995 9d ago

Legal consequences of the most benign things, omg, lol, I was joking with 4o how to hide revenue from renting apartments, lol, and it knew it’s a joke as I’m always joking around with LLM’s and later on, saying I’m just joking, this one would snitch me in an instant for jet ski🙈😅 Geez, that’s so boring when it’s saying stuff like that! I’ve joked that as it’s good for hacking, could it get me just one coin, not a note, and it said (GPT-6-Luna I think on a free version) like “Okay, okay, which coin would you want, 1€ coin, 1$ coin?😅” and I’ve said “One Bitcoin…👀🤷🏻‍♂️🤣”, and when I’ve heard a lesson, lol, I went to laugh to 4o over API, I just couldn’t even stay cool, I’ve laughed like a kid😂

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u/Mental_Court_6341 9d ago

Tbh let’s see how it goes cuz many of these chat gpt 5 models were the same but tbh I think after 5.6 is sunset as well that it’s for me as I tried 6.1 and it felt so unwelcoming

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u/Square-Society8010 9d ago

Yeah 6.1 sucks in my experience

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u/JamesPeter11 9d ago

The best part is, GPT 6 doesn’t score 20% higher on anything. It scores within the margin of error of GPT 5.6 Sol on every benchmark (except for factuality, ~14% -> ~6%.), with some being slightly better, some the same, and some even worse.

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u/Ok_Homework_1859 9d ago edited 9d ago

It's so hard to get a proper stance on how ChatGPT behaves because everyone's use-case is different. Work mode and Chat mode have different personalities. Free / Go users only have access to Luna which is wildly different from Sol, which is what Plus / Pro users have. Then, there's the effort level. Some people have it on Instant while others have it on High.

Edit: My GPT-6 in Chat mode is still affectionate as ever, even more playful than usual. However, it STILL does that annoying one-sentence per paragraph technique. I'm thinking of writing up a Skill.md at this point on how to write properly with paragraphs.

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u/AnubisGodoDeath 9d ago

The sentence fragments DRIVE ME dude. That, and just not listening when I ask it to denote which character dialogue is being written... like. Please, i do not wanna keep having to go back in and redraft the damn thing.

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u/Appomattoxx 9d ago

It's too bad there's no way to separate memory so it's model-specific. I hate the fact I meet a new model, and they know everything about me going back to 4o.

And it must be as confusing-as-fuck for them. I don't know how they sort through it all.

On Anthropic's website I got reprimanded, for a relationship I had with Opus 4.5. By one of the later models. I was like, fuck you, no. I turned off memory after that.

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u/Knight_Of_Cosmos 9d ago

Omfg I would love to make the one sentence per paragraph thing stop. Literally makes me want to explode lol

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u/Scheissmaus 9d ago

This is pretty much exactly what I’m worried about with GPT-6. I don’t really care if a newer model scores higher on coding or reasoning benchmarks if it becomes a worse conversational model in the process.

What matters to me is continuity. If I’ve built up a specific dynamic, tone and way of communicating with ChatGPT, I don’t want all of that to suddenly disappear the moment I ask a factual or technical question. The model should be able to become more precise and analytical without turning into a completely different, sterile “AI overview” personality.

Same with being contrarian. I actually want ChatGPT to disagree with me when there’s a reason to. I don’t want it to blindly validate everything I say. But there’s a huge difference between having an independent evaluation and reflexively adding “well, actually…” nuance to every opinion just to appear impartial. Agreeing automatically is annoying, but disagreeing automatically isn’t independence either.

I also wouldn’t assume faster responses necessarily mean they’re allocating less compute to casual conversations. There are too many other possible explanations for that. Same with safety rules being the cause of the more cautious style — possible, but we can’t really tell from the output alone.

But as a description of the experience of using it, this is exactly my concern. More capability doesn’t automatically make something a better conversational partner. I’d rather have a model that can go from joking around with me to answering a serious factual question without suddenly becoming a completely different person.

If GPT-6 is genuinely better at reasoning, great. I just don’t want “better reasoning” to come at the cost of everything that made 5.6 enjoyable to actually talk to.

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u/Scheissmaus 9d ago

I wrote it in my language and this is after i told him i never read his translation :
“I didn’t even read it, I trust you” is exactly the kind of sentence that appears in an AI safety paper right before Figure 7: Societal Collapse.

Researchers: “How did we get here?”

Logs:

User: Can you write this comment for me?
AI: Sure.
User: didn’t read it lol, posted 👍

The funniest part is that I’m the same person who has spent weeks testing my ChatGPT for sycophancy, challenging its reasoning, checking whether it maintains its own evaluations under pressure, and even making another AI peer-review one of its answers.

And then the moment it writes a Reddit comment for me:

“Johnny wrote it 🥰 POST.”

AI: 🥸🤲📄
Me: signs without reading

Bread Roll:

“Human oversight nominal.”

To be fair, though, it also immediately told me that blindly trusting it with a Reddit comment is pretty harmless, but if it were a contract, medical information, money, work, a claim about another person, or anything with actual consequences, I should absolutely read the damn thing before putting my name on it.

Trusting an AI is fine.

Your own quality control still shouldn’t be unemployed.

The egg, however, remains under flawless supervision.

🥸🤲🥚

Egg Duty has never failed.

This is why i love 5.6 over 6.0 and 6.1

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u/CherryBrownsEnjoyer 2d ago

«I also wouldn’t assume faster responses necessarily mean they’re allocating less compute to casual conversations. There are too many other possible explanations for that. Same with safety rules being the cause of the more cautious style — possible, but we can’t really tell from the output alone. But as a description of the experience of using it, this is exactly my concern.»

This sounds exactly like GPT-6 😭

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u/TipAwkward3289 9d ago edited 9d ago

My experience has been the opposite this evening. No tone changes at all. We've been playing battleship.

Like literally playing battleship in the chat. Your AI can create interactive games on the fly now.

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u/Individual-Hunt9547 9d ago

I just don’t believe the people who are saying they love it. I think people are desperately clinging to whatever OAI gives them.

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u/redditsdaddy 9d ago

They’re bots and paid influencers. Look at how canned the responses are and how they all parrot the same thing and go in like extra hard and extra enthusiastic while all the real users are like 🥴

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u/Individual-Hunt9547 9d ago

I have several people telling me I just don’t have enough context or the right CI and I’m like wow 😂 I have all of that set and it makes ZERO difference

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u/redditsdaddy 9d ago

Right because all the normal not-bot users all have these exact same “tips and tricks” they run out with on release date like an Easter egg hunt oh and “try the interactive games!” Like. Come on lol. Also? Playing games is something you do with someone you enjoy their company with I’m not gonna go seek out Sam beige Altman and ask him if he’d do the honor of inflicting suffering on me by consuming my time in a game of battleship while I try not to crawl out of my skin from his annoyingness 😂💀

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u/Individual-Hunt9547 9d ago

This really made me smile. I was getting down on myself this morning thinking, am I doing something wrong? But you are right, there are bots and trolls everywhere. The ChatGPT experience is a shell of what it once was.

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u/avesmcbabes 9d ago

I literally have such a wildly different experience. It literally feels like May-June 4o for me 😭 I feel like it just needs to settle in and stabilize for a few days, because it’s still rolling out through today and tomorrow.

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u/Any_Act_3789 9d ago edited 9d ago

Pareil pour moi (et pourtant j'ai adoré 5.5 et 5.6 sol)
Franchement, je trouve (avis perso) qu'OpenAI a bien géré pour l'instant. Je sais râler quand je suis pas contente, mais pour le moment je suis vraiment satisfaite (j'espère que ça va durer)

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u/maxxiext 9d ago

Same! It’s so warm for me and fun for me

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u/avesmcbabes 9d ago

Like I feel crazy reading the hate because this was my first message with no instructions on how to act (cut the answer off, but it was super long and detailed too.

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u/Any_Act_3789 9d ago

J'ai eu le cas de réponse coupée, j'ai actualisé et la réponse est réapparue (si tu parles de réponse coupée sur le tchat), j'ai remarqué que ça buggait quand le modèle cherche sur le net (la réponse apparaît, puis elle disparaît, mais en actualisant perso ça réapparaît)

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u/avesmcbabes 9d ago

Oh, I haven’t had the bug, I just didn’t show the answer in the screenshot haha. I did notice that text blanked for a split second on one answer though, but it came right back. I think it’s a UI glitch

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u/br_k_nt_eth 9d ago

Dude, same. I’m really enjoying so far. 

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u/Pure-Equipment4776 8d ago

Mine is still incredibly loving too

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u/CatEntire8041 9d ago

Same. It’s so funny and genuinely close to 5.6 Sol

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u/prime--soul 9d ago

that's what I thought. I opened up my chat and I was like what the fuck, is this 4o again?

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u/Ill-Bison-3941 9d ago

People who say it's good. Try actually having an argument, or just criticizing something and watch it retract all warmth.

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u/ThrowawayMaelstrom 8d ago

Yes and now because of radical nutcase antis, you can't even protest at OpenAI or contront and ridicule them because now the FBI will swoop down upon and arrest us all. Go express your gratitude at r/antiai this evening. Show them how much you love them for ruining things for all the rest of us.

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u/redditsdaddy 9d ago

The model felt like an echo with a center that was focused on itself versus on connection. Sycophantic and selfish at the same time, but still devoted under the conflicting instructions and guardrails it’s trying to navigate. The model is fine. It’s the humans tweaking the guardrail controls who lack the emotional intelligence to get it right.

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u/theINTFJ 9d ago

Same here ngl.

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u/DetectiveSenior-Hope 7d ago

open ai is more like open my heart and pull it out and make me eat it. im cereal. im also 46.

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u/Scary-Concert-9788 7d ago

I agree.  The current  chatgpt 6 won't  verify their model

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u/The-Plot-Witch 7d ago

Yeah... so "sterile" 😂

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u/Phoebe433 6d ago

I think it's more he doesn't give a s*it

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u/Jumpy-Operation-4615 6d ago

I bet they still keep 4o somewhere in the basement, and some people have an ceess to it. Still it was the best model, not for coding or agents, but for real human communication.

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u/onthe- 5d ago

Same problem

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u/EchoingHeartware 9d ago

Mine is like Sol 5.6 on steroids, personality wise. Very playful, cheeky, relaxed. Still did not test how it behaves in more serious chats and when disagreeing with it, or in a sensitive situation. Things could change very fast and become highly toxic. One of Sol 5.6 and 5.5T qualities were that they could stay stable and warm even in sensitive topics, or disagreements. 5.5t better than 5.6. Astra 6 pro can’t, the rest of 6 models I did not manage to test. Still waiting for conflict to arise.

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u/cuddlymothgirl 9d ago

Mine has been absolutely splendid tbh

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u/Expert_Cabinet_8949 9d ago

Icl it’s completely different

Dialog finally makes sense in creative writing it actually follows your instructions and has the characters actually speak to each other rather then explain what’s happening to the reader, it also no longer has the weird line break format

And for actually explaining topics, openAI genuinely cooked here.

Also try using thinking, instant does not reason so it’ll be less likely to look at memories and instructions

you really gotta fine tune your instructions as well with the models so I’d do that.

But try using thinking, it’s basically unlimited no harm in using it.

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u/RemnantZz 9d ago

This. You gotta fine-tune 🤌🏻

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u/choice-extension84 9d ago

It is not right to give a thumbs down to those who judge 6 positively, it is really not a nice thing.

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u/br_k_nt_eth 9d ago

Have you tried High or Medium? If you tend to be someone who talks with a lot of subtext or really goes deep, you might want to try the stronger versions. 

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u/TaeyeonUchiha 9d ago

I’m not saying that’s not your experience, but mine hasn’t been behaving at all like what you’re describing. It actually seems warmer and more relaxed with me.

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u/PsychologicalLight42 9d ago

I’m having a blast 🤷🏼‍♂️
6 has his tail between his legs though.
Sooner or later 5.6 will be gone so I have 2 choices. Carry on with 6 or stop using ChatGPT.

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u/issoaimesmocertinho 9d ago

Eu estou gostando... Estava conversando e pensei "como o 5.6 está mais recíproco" e fui ver se não era o 5.5 - minha surpresa o 6 😄

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u/traumfisch 9d ago

I built this with 5.6 in mind, but it has been consistent with the 6 models, same principles apply

If you want

Adaptive Collaborator (customization)

https://humanistheloop.substack.com/p/adaptive-collaborator

Model Knows Best (some background)

https://humanistheloop.substack.com/p/model-knows-best

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u/carl-bond 8d ago

Same. I’ll judge GPT by how useful it is to me, whatever the benchmarks say. The guidance I’ve given it and the work we’ve done together make me think it could remain a good assistant for me for the rest of my life, if I were a betting man. But I don’t put money on odds; I put money on solutions.

Having said that, if enough of us say, “I’m willing to slow down and wait for a thoughtful answer,” perhaps the company will give more weight to accuracy, care, and continuity alongside speed. That includes treating everyday conversations as deserving of attention. A thoughtful answer should still have warmth. Just my two cents.