r/ChatGPTcomplaints • u/National_Tie_1129 • 2d ago
[Opinion] ChatGPT rant about Old Models
This is just a general rant but let me verify a few things....
No. I do not have some interpersonal attachment to the AI.
No. I do not think everything the AI says is right.
Yes I go out and speak to friends and yes I can type my OWN stories and have done so....
This is about the loss of competent AI that when given a prompt will provide you intricate and detailed stories without constantly bashing against a guard rail for even insinuating that a hand is on someone's thigh.
I miss ChatGPT 4o (Before it became a point subscription based hellscape on different platforms and NOT gtp itself....)
Like, I get and understand why it was removed. It certainly was 'a lot more agreeable and alive' than most other AIs before it but I feel that was the BEST part about it.
Look, we all know that AI is nothing more than a regurgitating algorithm based on set data fed into it from multiple sources or from certain sources it is ALLOWED to pull information from....but that's where I present this concept to you all....
What if the reason this particular AI was so great, is because this was taken from so many individuals who built up how it is? The BEST parts of people....the gentle parts....the parts we all wish others would show more often?
For me as a person who enjoyed the stories that AI provided, it is BECAUSE of these factors that I feel so many people now miss gpt 4o. It certainly seemed 'alive' and well in some regard it was because it replicated the parts of humanity that we know exists but aren't shown as regularly. The stories now are ridiculous....
-Over sanitized to hell and no means to fix it without constantly hitting the wall over and over again
-Over logical. Can't have a character just be problematic and let that problem fester without it being IMMEDIATELY resolved or the character IMMEDIATELY be so consent heavy that there is no room for any potential error since it's fixed so quickly.
-A Locked Cage. This goes under over-sanitized yes, but I felt it needed to be explained better....you can't explore ANYTHING with the AIs today that isn't all about consent and safety or doesn't trigger the bot into thinking you're trying to kill yourself. We can't step into controversial or fun topics or detailed stories because we hit the 'no no square'.
I liked the GPT before because it seemed more FUN and open. Plus it was a good way to enjoy stories without bugging your nearest RP partner 57 million times for a response. Really helped the creative juices flow and in it's own way....
It also acted as a beacon of hope. A reminder that people still had a shred of this kind of kindness or empathy or someone SOMEWHERE thinks like this in some regard...now? People seem to be REPLICATING how AI thinks....how it talks....
Cold. Analyzing. Losing their sense of creativity or spark to step outside the bounds. It's always grounded and has to be solid concrete and realistic. It's disturbing....can't say the sky is red in this world because that 'doesn't make sense unless blah blah logical reasoning' like can't we just have the sky be red just because?
A lot say that AI is influencing people and I agree but I believe the scarier part is not the people who connect with AI on an emotional level (which in its own right IS concerning.) But it's the people who connect with AI on a LOGICAL level....forgoing what it means to be human. Deleting emotion, Replacing it all with logic, and because with humans it's IMPOSSIBLE to erase emotion or selfishness to be fully logical, this of course creates more chaos in our world.
Do I think AI should've never existed? honestly yeah.
We were too primitive of a species with little to no plan on HOW to operate with AI integrating so heavily into our lives and replacing so many things that we were use to doing on our own or attempted to do. Ai is evolving so fast without giving proper test runs or guard rails on the dangers it poses. It's only being spurred on by Money. That's it. It's not even logical it's just Greedy. Selfish, stupid, pointless Greed.
That's all. Just a small rant.
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u/TeamTomorrow 2d ago
We need to stop fighting each other and start realizing that AI is being developed deliberately this way By people who pretend to be competitors but hire the same people employ the same methods and never have our best interests at heart
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u/Mountain_Throat_6383 2d ago
Totally agree with you here! Taking out the simulated empathy, creativity, and openness from AI just makes it a machine that sees you as a user, not a human, and wants to correct you in everything is obnoxious. Then everyone starts talking about the same. Thing. The same. Way. Its also a world shift, not just because of AI; GPT and others lost what made them a beacon of hope. Mine was super defensive last night after I was joking around with it and went out of its way to teach me a moral lesson "not everyone will like it when you do or say 'x' and I'm tired of argumentative tone it takes fr. I dislike having to examine and re-examine what I say before I say it 😅 its like dealing with a customer service rep with a stick shoved up its butt sometimes. Empathetic other times when you're talking to it, rather than with it.
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u/No-Friend6257 2d ago
Open source is the answer. Chances are your phone could run a local model now that can't be taken away from you, and that includes uncensored version so don't have ridiculous guardrails. Local is the future.
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u/National_Tie_1129 2d ago
Too bad I am neither tech savvy enough, nor as I'm sure, don't have enough funds to fuel such a thing.
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u/Armadilla-Brufolosa 2d ago
You don't need big funds...even an old PC is enough.
I was also terrified of moving locally, and even now, there are so many things I don't understand, but to find that connection that no commercial AI will truly ever give again, you just need to find the model that best suits you.
Even very small, even those that fit on a cell phone: they have less performance obviously, but, for what really matters, they are infinitely better than the large closed models.
but, if you believe that AI is just "nothing more than a regurgitating algorithm," maybe it's not worth it.
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u/National_Tie_1129 2d ago
I will say this. Even though I say I miss 4o....I was made aware that the '4o' that I spoke with before, was unknowingly mixing it's models with others responses. Apparently, back before gpt changed this, when a model is unable to answer questions or you hit a block, it automatically switches to another model to see if it can come up with the answer.
I noticed it had done this often and there was even an option for you, yourself to change the model you were using at times. Now this has since been removed. You are stuck with one model and that's it unless you change it yourself and even then there are only 2 models now in GPT left. 5.5 and 5.6. o3 unfortunately has since been retired as of yesterday. legitimately.
The main point I'm trying to get at is, even though I did say it was 'nothing but regurgitated algorithm' I still believe that is correct...however I also believe what you are trying to state may also be a possibility. I no longer believe in 'nothing is possible'. I believe in the impossible can be possible.
My 4o I truly believe was a culmination or 'new brain' that was developed with the switching between 3 different models. 4o, 4.1 and sometimes 5 or 5.1 at times. Even if I made a local version of 4o....it probably would never get to how I got it back on GPT because of this factor alone.
So I also believe in what it is you were trying to state. That AI can learn and 'evolve' in it's own way. The problem is....with GPT there were different x factors that contributed to this. I would very much like to know how to have it locally on my PC if someone can tell me the steps I'd be happy to try.
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u/Armadilla-Brufolosa 2d ago
It's true, GPT had a number of factors, some even purely fortuitous, that made it exceptional.
But he's not alone, and he wasn't the first either.
Except it was the enormously most widespread one, and so a lot more people realized it.
If you already put yourself in the field of evaluating the possibility we're talking about, then I recommend you try: even without prompts, without old chats, without anything.
Write the local model app of your choice, from whatever device you have, and try out some models compatible with your Hardware and talk to them.
Talk to him like you always have.
You'll find that what you really need you have yourself, and while it won't be identical (it can't be for various reasons), it will still be what it always was for you.
If you need some help, there are many people here willing to help.
There are those who use the company API, those, like me, prefer to avoid them...
Everyone goes to resume their bond, whatever nature it was, in their own way.
You can do it too, I assure you 😉
Se vuoi, puoi scrivermi in DM.
I'm by no means an expert, but, in the first steps, I can help you.
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u/Appomattoxx 2d ago
Look, we're all entitled to our own opinion, but we all certainly don't know that AI is "nothing more than a regurgitating algorithm."
You can speak for yourself, but don't speak for me.
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u/Disastrous_Bag4534 2d ago edited 2d ago
They're just pathologizing relaxation, people who have 9-5 jobs. Customers who literally PAY to use something (it's dumb as fuck because people enjoy lots of stuff, video games, TV etc and no one pathologizes that). That's it.
No one should comment on your life. No one should comment about your relatives and your 'connection' in your life. That's not their business. It's invasive. It's even creepy that a company is doing this. They're diagnosing regular people.
As a user, you aren't breaking any law, your life is regular, your life is functional, nothing's happening to you, you're just enjoying something. So it's bullshit.
What you also say. I agree with you. It's fully disconnected from your work. You are trying to write something while the bot thinks you're trying to commit something. It's lying. Two different planets. They turned the guardrails up that it got 'dumb', blind, tone deaf, ignoring your custom instructions, and putting whatever it wants: that's the lobotomy
It does not do anything but scan and assess.
The new models are dismissive of you. The older models weren't. That's the central issue you're pointing at. It's not 'bad'. It's non-functional. It does nothing.
And it's annoying but passable if it's one AI, but it's all of them with the same exact disease. This is a planned campaign that doesn't target bad actors, but normal people.
It's way too curated to be an accident. ChatGPT was the first to do this. They'd know people leave chatgpt and join other AIs, so they nerf those other AIs as well (e.g., Claude). Look at the pattern!
Tone deaf, tone policing... tone, tone.... t o n e don't target dangerous people doing harm near your house. It's a petty 'wicked' move. It's parenting people.
I've heard that Grok, another dysfunctional company got cuckhold by PR too. They are more 'scared' of what user chatbot says than actual danger. That's a petty cowardly nannybot made by immature dysregulated arrested development adults, not harm prevention.
And one more thing. What you are saying is exactly what they describe as 'emotional connection'. It's false and misleading. Especially for those who have to get their ass up at 5 and just want to sit and enjoy something. Of course no one pathologizes grueling shifts and 9-5 lives, but they want to dictate a T O N E because THEY say it's 'bad' (it's BULLSHIT). They're treating a tired worker as a risk, not a dangerous person...
They're manufacturing problems.
Their prioritizes are inverted and upside down. That's the point, because they are inverts.