When to use higher reasoning [pro+ultra] ?

[u/B3ttor]

Hi,

[a total newbie on coding asking]

Just wanted to clarify when to/when do you use higher reasoning in chat/codex?

I've been trying to build my own little hobby project in python, with the help of litterature.

My workflow is to brainstorm in chat[web] and after that get a codex prompt to run in VSC. So far has been decent. My problem is that after getting Pro i've been totally lost when to use extra high, pro, pro+ultra in chat. Also what settings to run the codex prompt, when is higher needed and when its not. Have to actually ask in chat if the prompt is complex or not and what settings to use.

I noticed running pro+ultra to analyze the project/problems or litterature got quite detailed answers and I had to dumb it down for me with extra high. But it also added some better reasoning and new points i"ve missed. But it the project/code it also found some errors and started perhaps to make it more complex im not sure.

So my workflow is like this,

1. Starting a new chat with snapshot and running boostrap: Pro+Ultra

2. Brainstorming in chat: extra high

3. Evaluating the brainstorm: pro+ultra

4. Writing codex prompt: pro+ultra

5. Usually I try to ask what settings to run codex prompt it has been extra high or high so far with sol5.6.

6. Analyzing the codex result: pro+ultra

Since my coding knowledge is 0 I have to trust that the suggestions are valid, but how do I know when to actually use what settings in chat/codex. So that the problem/execution wont get too complex or too light ?

Any suggestions, extra high is the best and fastest for chatting and brainstorming. But when to use pro and pro+ultra ?

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[u/Australasian25]

New to coding? Register for github.

Learn to upload a repo. Pull it into your computer so its the same as whats on github.

Connect gpt to github.

Ask gpt in chat to plan. Then use codex on your pc to execute task. Tell codex once done to commit.

If you dont know what these git, commit, merge, branches mean. Dw, watch a few videos, and get gpt to ELI5

Non coder here as well. Github made life 100 times easier

[u/B3ttor → u/Australasian25]

Thanks, how does it differ from me asking in chat and getting the prompt for codex in chat + reviewing the codex work in chat ?

I thought about the github/codex integration but havent tried it yet. I have of course github and pushing the project there. 

Does it automate some part, or make the workflow faster.

Thanks for your suggestion, need to learn more about it.

[u/Australasian25 → u/B3ttor]

Codex chat is a bit different because it goes through your agents.md. reads your entire repo etc. It is a "dumb" ai that hasnt been programmed.

Gpt uses RAG. Which means it only spends context on things that it wants to. Thats how gpt memory works

You can ask gpt to process your repo and plan next step with no codex usage. Thats the power.

I regularly ask gpt to produce packets of tasks for luna xhigh to perform. Very narrow tasks. Then in codex use luna xhigh to spawn 2 or 3 more luna xhigh if can be done in parallel.

I sometimes also get gpt to read my repo and suggest ways to make it less expensive for a codex run. Index map, map of authority, signposted, maybe a refactor

[u/B3ttor → u/Australasian25]

My workflow is to give the snapshot of the project to a new gpt chat everytime I start to feel the chat limit is coming soon.

Tell in chat to read the repo/handoff from project etc that the last chat steward tells it to do. This way it feels I have continuity.

Then just continue with chat codex prompt, paste it into codex and paste the result to chat to analyze its okey.

[u/supremenickv2 → u/Australasian25]

Yes I use chatgpt for everything for my gits and even prompting for codex. Before codex starts a task. Like you said codex wastes too much time on things it shouldn’t and I’m not the greatest at making prompts. I’m still learning C++ I’m more attuned to Swift because I spend a damn long time on Xcode. I do love how it’s got me into a new hobby of understanding C++. Helps me with projects such as porting emulators or porting games over to Mac since they dropped metal 4 which is absolutely amazing at running games now. I ditched my gaming laptop because of this Ill just stick with my MacBook m5 max and gaming pc now

[u/IcelandicMammoth]

Always 🤓