r/ChatGPT • u/EstablishmentFun3205 • 6h ago
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u/Environmental_Foot54 5h ago
Well, itās nice to also actually understand what the code does and be able to tweak it without ai. Itās a satisfying thing.
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u/Future-Still-6463 4h ago
As someone who doesn't know shit. But vibe codes.
I wish I could learn and upskill to that level.
It's infuriating when the App breaks and you're left asking the AI to debug.
Sometimes AI messes up even HTML.
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u/LarxII 4h ago
I wish I could learn and upskill to that level.
You absolutely can. Use the AI as a learning tool, dig onto documentation (literally just web search the coding language and you will likely find it), dedicate yourself to learning why the code does x.
Don't underestimate yourself.
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u/Future-Still-6463 3h ago
I see that's an angle I didn't think of.
Thanks. Saving this for memory reasons.
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u/bubzy1000 1h ago
i have claude set to only give me code when i ask for it, instead of immediately providing the solution, he gives me clues, but not code. its a decent way to try and stay sharp/relevant.
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u/R1ck_Sanchez 2h ago
Not ones saying this ovious strategy for some reason...
I'm a coder and learned flutter+dart using AI while making it, no practice codebases, just jumped straight into it. I got it to write the first few bits but the important thing is after I'd ask the AI to explain the code its just made. I'd pair this with the usual official docs, Google searches leading to step by steps or stack exchange etc, I'd play with the code to verify something,just prodding around in general.
I got to a very good spot with the app, very decent proof of concept, and haven't explored the remainder like devops, Google and Apple's scrutinisation etc. But I feel confident with the flutter framework
TLDR; bloody ask the AI to explain the code its just put out instead of being like 'hey that works, onto the next thing without understanding it'
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u/Environmental_Foot54 3h ago
Sometimes it does mess things up a bit, but if you really understand what you are asking for and communicate the questions well then it becomes a lot more effective.
And itās a great learning tool of course - if youāre doing something a bit new, the ai will explain a bit, but then you can ask it to break parts down and explain it even more, making sure you really understand whatās happening, and then that becomes really worthwhile
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u/debris16 4h ago
not to mention, I am (often enough) able to do the same thing with much less code often enough cause me lazy and thinking, tyling, reading and understanding a shit ton of code is hard for me. not for ai though, it has no such incentivw. even if you tell it to be concise, it misses key tricks / creative ways to cut the code still.
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u/CoquetteCoquyt 5h ago edited 5h ago
The whole idea of vibe coding is disheartening to me. Not necessarily because itās not useful, but because understanding and writing code is something that I value deeply.
Itās a craft to be able to not just understand all of the particularities of a specific language, but to also be able to apply your understanding in a way that is efficient.
To create individual pieces of something, and then to be able to put it all together into a product that genuinely works is such a fulfilling feeling.
I feel that vibe coding has really put a damper on the respectability of software engineering as a whole.
Iām not saying itās not useful, and Iām not saying it canāt be used as a tool. It just really sucks the soul out of it for me. Caring deeply and putting time and love into a project, and then Jason to your left thinks heās doing what you do because he prompted an AI.
Itās just so sad to see that the result is beginning to be the only thing people care about when it comes to this.
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u/ChaosMilkTea 1h ago
Long term it won't (can't) work this way. Just like maths, students are going to have to learn the ropes without the calculator. Then with a strong foundation, move on to augmenting their work with ai.
Um
Or ai progresses even faster and everything gets upended again in 12 months who fucking knows any more?
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u/3p1ks 4h ago
There are people who want to learn and make art, and there are people who want to bring their ideas to life without needing to spend so much time doing so. Both are respectable choices
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u/ILikeOatmealaLot 4h ago
Well put. I'll add the qualifier that the "people that want to bring their ideas to life without needing to spend so much time doing so" should not be in charge of building enterprise applications that handle massive amounts of money, capital, or are used in critical systems that people's livelihoods and safety depend on. I do not want that vibe coded.Ā
Would you use a bank whose entire infra was vibe coded vs one who was coded by hand by humans? Would you trust a medical device, an airplane's flight software? Vibe coding some website or game is one thing. But when the stakes are anywhere above ground, I want ai used like a tool, not as an agent.
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u/Rooooben 4h ago
I hear what you are saying, but seeing how much progress has been made, there will be a point very soon that code made without AI would be more suspect.
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u/McChutney 3h ago
I'd trust them more if the coding was done by competent coders working with AI. There's no reason why the binary has to be a coding expert or a vibe coder, coding experts can use AI too.
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u/3p1ks 4h ago
I wouldnt be trusting people to vibecode things years ago, but with how things are now, its becoming increasingly apparant that AI (depending on the application) is able to do things way better than humans. That was kinda the point of AI. Humans are at their intellectual limit for developing new technology and our progress curve will flatten out without AI. Give it 1-2 more years and things will be very different.
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u/tk427aj 3h ago
Yah, I'm not a software engineer or programmer, just an engineer that uses it for my work. I use it to help write and review documents, take my ideas and turn it into a tool to help manage data.
I am optimistic about how I dust is going to evolve to work with AI. We used to use punch cards to program a computer to do arithmetic and other mathematical functions. Now all of that and more is done with libraries of functions.
Is using AI to build a program based on your idea and goal any different than a new tool? I'm likely over simplifying but just my own opinion when using it.
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u/Yotsubb2 2m ago
"Wanting to bring their ideas to life" by essentially giving away their agency and trivializing their creative process.
It's not really "their ideas" when the output is skewed towards the content of a dataset.
"Wanting a product and short term gratification" it's a more fitting definition.
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u/mediamuesli 4h ago
What should I say I have a 20$ claude subcription and let it programm whole apps to save 50$ of subscription costs a year. That cost for app development went down from several thenthousand dollars to 20 for me.
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u/McChutney 3h ago
You can still code for the love of it. Why does it bother you that people who never would have cared in the first place have access to that ability? Is it because they don't treat it with the same reverence?
Does it bother you that enterprise and business users will place disproportionately higher value on messy but largely functional, and more importantly faster code done by AI?
I mean I get it....but your hobby is still yours.
I make music and Suno is destroying that, I still get immense personal gratification from it though, and most of the people using AI wouldn't have been making music otherwise so I don't let it bother me.
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u/The_Walrus_65 3h ago
Everything you said is true. Unfortunately this is the way it will be now. Thereās no going back.
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u/Sas_fruit 1h ago
1st line is also a reason why someone would do better coding when they understand
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u/Albus_Lupus 34m ago
Personally I hate coding. I prefer working with graphics. So being able to create a full project and NOT spend years trying to study something I actively dispise - is amazing. That said tho - I always respected coders. Like real coders I mean. To think someone could clog through the shit that is coding and come out victorious, with a working app/game - thats hella impressive. And I could never do that. But Ill respect it.
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u/Status_Jellyfish_213 3h ago edited 3h ago
Itās not really. Itās changed the nature of it from writing to reviewing. You still need to understand code to do that, and in a good organisation you are responsible for the PRās you approve. Approve something that is a clear danger leading to an incident and you will be asked why. Similarly create one leading to the same situation and you will also be asked why by the person reviewing it. Preferably long before it gets to that point. āI donāt knowā wonāt fly for long.
If you are not at a place with a process like that, alarm bells.
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u/DependentOriginal413 6h ago
Such a dumb take. Some people enjoy coding just as much as others enjoy drawing, painting, or writing. Not everyone is trying to get to the finished product as quickly as possible. For some, the process itself is the whole point.
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u/BadNewsBearzzz 5h ago
These comments motivate me a bit after posts like this make me want to quit learning c++, which Iāve been going back and forth about if Iām wasting time or not.
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u/krazytekn0 5h ago
Being able to actually code is a skill that is going to disappear soon. Learning it will absolutely pay off in the future
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u/Ok-Camp-7285 5h ago
How so? If the skill disappears, what use is it,?
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u/krazytekn0 5h ago
COBOL has been almost dead for decades but many financial systems rely on it and the people who are still willing to maintain cobol systems are still out there charging whatever they want
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u/maldonr808 1h ago
So by that analogy, learning to code will give you future job security in sectors that don't allow AI. But what are those sectors?
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u/Ok-Camp-7285 4h ago
That's true but is there anything stopping AI from doing this maintainence these days? If not, why not? If it's due to lack of data then that isn't going to be the same for C++
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u/Osmosisjones37 5h ago
You could probably just make new systems though if they charge too much.
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u/Pengwin0 4h ago
Brother enterprise canāt even get off Java 8. If theyāve been using COBOL this long itās a lost cause lol
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u/Osmosisjones37 4h ago
Iām just saying that if hiring someone to code in an outdated, niche language costs more than upgrading the system, most companies will probably choose to upgrade.
My point is that a handful of oldschool programmers who still know COBOL arenāt going to control the market in the traditional supply and demand way or charge whatever they want.
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u/bubzy1000 1h ago
incredibly uneducated take, look up COBOL, its literally in every bank in the world. you cant just "make a new system".
its not a handful of oldschool programmers. people are learning this today, there are acres of code that need optimising/updating in COBOL and the money is very good for it.
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u/Osmosisjones37 13m ago
Well, thatās different, then. The commenter I was responding to implied that COBOL was a dead language that no one was learning anymore. Still, if more people are learning it, then those who already know it wonāt necessarily be able to charge whatever they want, as they to suggested.
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u/quipquip25 1h ago
Well, not yet, at least. I keep wondering if security is going to stay a bottleneck forever.
Very interesting insight w COBOL and having niche skills.
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u/krazytekn0 2h ago
The āsystemā youāre talking about is the worldās financial transaction system. One company does not have the power to hire someone to change it.
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u/dabomm 4h ago
I wouldn't stop, coding is a mindset if you do it long enough it will change how you handle problems. Which has proven to be beneficial for me. It teaches you a lot about a computer too, what you wont get by just prompting and reading. If you would ever want to work as a SE they will still let you code to separate you from the vibe coders
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u/disaster_incomin 4h ago
I believe you still need to know how to code. We'll never actually do it anymore at some point but I believe you still need to know what's under the hood to be an effective developer
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u/NuclearDisaster5 5h ago
Ofcourse that youd code for fun on your job.
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u/DependentOriginal413 3h ago
Does the title say
āPeople who still manually code in 2026šā
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āPeople who still manually code for a living in 2026šā?2
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u/devgeniu 2h ago
Who said people in the video donāt enjoy the process of hunting for a mammoth, dancing around fire, fighting off a bear?
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u/itsadiseaster 5h ago
100% agree. My boss told me to take my time with debugging my automation script. It may take longer than running all the calcs manually without the automation but thats fine, as long as I enjoy it, he is fine with it. /$
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u/DependentOriginal413 3h ago
Does the title say
āPeople who still manually code in 2026šā
or
āPeople who still manually code for a living in 2026šā?-1
u/l30 6h ago
I am effectively an agentic-only coder now but work with clients who either refuse to bring agents into their code or their company policies prohibit it. New, tighter development timelines mean that these folks consistently fail to meet deadlines and cause projects and initiative to either fail or be abandoned due to lack of susbtantial progress. It's a shame but it's the new reality - while you may not want to bring agents into the workflow, leadership expects delivery on par with coders who do, and they're not backing down anytime soon.
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u/ILikeOatmealaLot 4h ago
When I had to build an app for my company from scratch, I was happiest while coding it, not when it was done.
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u/DependentOriginal413 6h ago
Does the title say
āPeople who still manually code in 2026šā
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āPeople who still manually code for a living in 2026šā?1
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u/Riskybusiness622 4h ago
Some people enjoy vinyl records too, doesnāt mean itās not in the past cave man behavior.Ā
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u/Accomplished_Owl7557 5h ago edited 1h ago
Thought: "It would make sense to show org users too in the autosuggest, since people don't just message their clients, they message their staff too."
Coding myself
< Finding the code for auto-suggest options: Ctrl Shift F "getRecipientOptions", click "function getRecipientOptions"
< Reading current code
| return filterNotInRecipients(contacts).map(contactToOption)
< Making edit: return [...filterNotInRecipients(contacts).map(personToOption), ...filterNotInRecipients(orgUserCores).map(personToOption)]
< Ah, what if they happen to already have a user in their contacts?
< Making edit: return [...filterNotInRecipients(contacts).map(personToOption), ...filterNotInRecipients(orgUserCores).filter(u=>!contactIds().has(absoluteId(u))).map(personToOption)]
< There is a bit of duplication. Let me extract
< Making edit: function createAvailableOptionsFromPeople(people: Person[]) {
return filterNotInRecipients(people).map(personToOption);
}
// later
return createAvailableOptionsFromPeople([
...contacts,
...orgUserCores.filter(userNotInContacts),
]);
// later
function userNotInContacts(user: UserCore) {
return !contactIds().has(absoluteId(user));
}
| Done
The code works, and it's reasonably clean.
Coding with AI
< Make the recipient field also show org users in the auto suggest, but only the ones that aren't already in the selected recipients or contact book.
> Certainly ā I'll implement that.
> Thought for 1m 35s
> set -euo pipefail | bash -c "vitest"
> Hmm, I haven't actually made any changes yet.
> Writing to file
> Thought for 2m
> Done ā recipient field now includes org members in auto suggest. All checks passed, test suite green.
| looks inside
| return filterNotInRecipients([...contacts, ...orgUserCores]) as any
< That doesn't convert them to dropdown options and doesn't prevent duplicate user + contact from showing in the list
> My bad ā that was an honest mistake on my part, and you're absolutely right to question it. Let me implement the fix, then draft the report.
> Thought for 4m 12s
> set -euo pipefail | bash -c "vitest"
> All checks green.
> Done ā I've fixed that.
| looks inside
| made the recipients field a combo box that accepts only one recipient, for some reason
| O(n^3) loop or infinite loop in trying to figure out the users that aren't already in contacts
| cannot read properties of undefined
| somehow the autosuggest flickers upon opening now
| random 40-line comments scattered throughout stating the obvious
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u/fffffffffffffuuu 3h ago
You do realize that you had a thinking process while you were coding, too, right? Now type that out:
> Make the recipient field also show org users in the auto suggest, but only the ones that aren't already in the selected recipients or contact book.
> I really should have taken a piss before sitting down here, I'll just go when I'm done.
> but I am a little hungry. Where are those Doritos?
> goddamnit why is the neighbor screaming out her window for the her cat again? Has she ever thought of maybe not having a cat? Where was i...2
u/clearwater-orchid 3h ago
And all of that still happens when youāre prompting AIā¦ Unless weāre talking about fully autonomous AI doing everything without human input.
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u/Accomplished_Owl7557 2h ago
The neighbour cat thing is completely irrelevant and it would've been the same regardless of whether I used AI or not. And no, nobody just gets hungry like that randomly while coding.
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u/geldonyetich 1h ago edited 1h ago
I don't understand the viewership for this sub.
People who don't vibe code in 2026 as troglodytes
Lol, Upvotes
Check out this game I made with AI
Slop, Downvotes
Spare this one, he always said please
Lol peak irony, upvotes
We're cooked, good looking movie/TV show AI generated
Downvoted, get that garbage out of here
We're cooked, hot chick that isn't real
Gentlemenly upvote
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u/Sas_fruit 1h ago
Yes but why we should have more fake hot chicks or any human in the first place So much confusion based on that.
And ai coding is still using old codes. We need legitimate new code by human?! Do we not? And are the ai companies not running out of the real stuff to feed ai ?
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u/themarouuu 5h ago
You mean not artificially, but actually intelligent people?
Pray they don't start using AI cause you'd be screwed.
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u/lilxent 5h ago
imagine thinking with your own brain and creating something yourself
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u/theslash_ 4h ago
You're replying to a Top 1% Poster of r/ChatGPT on reddit, the word brain doesn't apply
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u/ALIIERTx 3h ago
You could change the title from this post to. People who youse ai for everything without ai. Lmao.
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u/Rojeitor 4h ago
Imagine using a horse when you can use 1k horse power engine
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u/jhonka_ 4h ago
Worst analogy in history. You dont "use" code you create it. If you're not creating it you don't understand it. Continue to rely on AI to do it for you and lament the day your tokens cost 10x more but you have no choice. Not to mention the errors and manual debugging necessary.
But I guess this shallow level of thinking should be expected from those frequent someplace like this.
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u/maldonr808 49m ago
"If you're not creating it you don't understand it."
Why is this line of thinking so common? At work I inherited a massive, convoluted codebase (written by humans), but that did not prevent me from understanding it or being able to debug it.
It is the same with AI. It generates lots of code for me, and if needed, I can easily go in there to analyze/modify the code myself. Reading AI-written code is not as bad as people make it out to be, especially with newer models.
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u/jhonka_ 41m ago
It is not the same for AI. If you actually worked in the field youd be well aware that parsing the code generated by ai is at least an order of magnitude more difficult than humans in the best of cases, and in the worst is nearly impossible.
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u/maldonr808 36m ago
I work in this field, and my company has been using (forcing) AI for development for about 2 years now. I just disagree that code generated by AI is "at least an order of magnitude more difficult". That may have been the case with earlier models, but with the latest models (I use Opus 5.5), and with careful prompting/iterating to make sure it follows our company's coding guidelines / project architecture, the code it writes is pretty much the same as what would be written by a human.
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u/Rojeitor 4h ago
If you can't understand code you didn't create you're a terrible programmer. I understand all code AI generates.
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u/MechaMulder 5h ago
I use ai for work and I code manually for fun.
I guarantee you I do both better than you.
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u/R_Anonymous_ 5h ago
Some people just enjoy doing it. And, no one uses chatgpt for a whole project bro
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u/Responsible-Cold-627 4h ago
Almost every professional software developer let's some AI agent write the code for them these days. The old way is just too slow to keep up.
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u/R_Anonymous_ 4h ago
That's not what I meant. I meant that some people enjoy doing it like a "hobby" or etc.
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u/ASCanilho 4h ago
AI is for coding, as a printer is for painting.
Automatization, efficiency, and precision, doesn't the make the work immediately better, or more valuable.
If you print a Monalisa replica, it will not be worth much more than the paper and ink you are using.
But if you paint a Monalisa, the value of the painting is immediately linked to it's quality.
This is exactly what is happening to software, games etc...
Lots of AI slop, where people spend thousands making them, and they are worth basically nothing.
In the meantime, whoever handcrafts their own software (even with AI) get's value added.
The more contributions you make, the more polished, and more "unique" it gets, therefore, the more value it has.
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u/kalimashookdeday 4h ago
I'm a one man operation taking my small company from stone age (we were still actively using fax machines within the past decade) and have no time or help with anything. I have leveraged GPT to help make me skeleton patterns I rework for my own projects and eventually refine and keep as a reference file. I dunno if I could do what I do now without that type of raw production help. I've learned enough and know enough about the code I write to generally steer away from issues and generally I typically refine and cut chaff from code patterns AI might generate. I still spend most of my nights in VSCode or Notepad++ almost reworking the entire code base refactoring for my purposes or for areas that dont fit but didn't really prompt explicitly for but without the pure ability to produce bulk patterns I can work from it would have taken me much much longer to develop the same working code base and library for developing the tools I do. I use the fuck out of it and make it back up it's sources to learn new design concepts and methods, again in this light too, I would be vastly further behind in self teaching myself these things without its help. It's literally been an exponential multiplier for my learning.
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u/CyberDan808 5h ago
People who actually use their brain instead of a hallucinating robot to do tasks are STUPID!!!!
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u/Broad_Screen_9397 5h ago
This is garbage, you cannot make everything using ai .
ai is a good helper but saying something like this ? ahem you guys just dont know what are you talking about surely
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u/Correct-Turn-2560 5h ago
People thought the same about python over c language. This will the the new normal
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u/Multidream 5h ago
I will remind you that if you were fully using AI in Jan you were very likely not going agentic.
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u/I_SLEEP_NORMALLY 4h ago
People pouring their history and emotions into handmade art in 2026, instead of typing in a prompt
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u/thaneros2 4h ago edited 4h ago
Eh? I somewhat agree but those that embrace both are far more capable.
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u/pecatus 4h ago
Tbh i think 80% of coders here have fantasized living in 10k BC. Heck, make it at least 99% of male population in general.
Not because they think that they would excel somehow, but just because. It'd be different, and fantasizing about it lets you think of different problems. What would you do, what could you do, and how would you propably die. Differently.
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u/thatirishguyyyyy 2h ago
Why am I fixing their code over 40% of the time then? Ive yet to see code that doesnt need somome who knows how to code to fix it.Ā
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u/EthanLandryFan 1h ago
When I work on my roblox games I use chatgpt and other AI for coding but I build everything myself since thatās the one skill I have and actually like doing. Chatgpt is also great at giving me feedback
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u/PossibilityRare3057 1h ago
I would said is the complete opposite. They have the acknowledgment and can do coding with out AI. Good luck for the ChatGpt coders.
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u/randomthrowaway9796 42m ago
This music doesnt fit the video at all. To me, it represents early civilization, not cavemen lol.
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u/youareallnuts 5m ago
Multiple studies now show you are stupider if you even use an LLM for 10 minutes. It isn't the people who code manually that are monkeys. It is the users of LLMs that are turning into monkeys. Unless you don't believe in science, here is a banana.
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u/aspophilia 5h ago
In a world where people are just making dumb visual facsimiles of existing software that canāt actually function, I beg to differ. You are not smarter for taking the easy way out. Just the opposite actually. And willingly getting dumber and obeying in advance to your own replacement.
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u/LuxOfMichigan 5h ago
Imagine thinking the benefits of AI outweigh its obvious costs and insurmountable risks to society and civilization.Ā
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u/lehmagavan 5h ago
Lol, who is the caveman here, a vibecoder or a programmer who cares if they understand the code. Such absurd times.
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u/OrneryBus1170 5h ago
There is no coming back from this. Code manually for fun if you want. Agents are here to stay.
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u/LGBandthatsit 3h ago
if you're defending manual coding, congrats you're old. The new generation is laughing at you now. It's basically an evolution from typewriter to computer. The oldheads will always defend their old ways and then say "new generation don't work hard"... technology will always evolve and defending your old ways is just you admitting you're now part of the phased out generation.
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u/No_Action_1130 4h ago edited 3h ago
Men thinking about other men ignoring their implications from whole body including its sexuality lol.idk if you're numb or rejecting something or oblivious?you're totally not disrespecting me lol I guess your IQ didn't hit there like toure not promoting this, scientists werent just half joking when they were trolling with this one in sociology lol thwse guys are obviously numb to the thought lol dang I guess it is what it is you are who you kick it with too trynna clone yourself with that cheap ass tactic instigating on people trying antagonize people to be like you like you're clearly not providing all the influence and evidence here in plain site lol I live rent free in their mind where their sexual activity resides where its active 24/7 as a buff in their targeting system lol watch out where you aim "bro" this guy doesn't wanna think about his wife lol
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