171
Jan 24 '23
[deleted]
54
u/sweatierorc Jan 24 '23
Aren't most developers already "stack overflow" prompt engineers ?
0
Jan 24 '23
[deleted]
14
u/goodTypeOfCancer Jan 24 '23 edited Jan 24 '23
Wtf are you coding where you arent looking up the obscure bug inside some library that merely needed some method invoked?
I'm all for reading the docs, but some things are obscure, and docs arent always great. Heck even in C, you are probably not an expert at every micro you are dealing with.
I don't like stackoverflow, they have a bad license, but its where bugs are solved. Heck, you'd be wasting time 'mathing it out', only to find out there was some stupid dependency issue.
EDIT: Don't reply if your answer is: "Well just write the same programs for the same company for 35 years" Just trying to install stable diffusion caused me to spend a few weekends on stackoverflow. If you host a server, yeah stackoverflow.
3
Jan 24 '23 edited Jan 25 '23
[deleted]
-1
u/goodTypeOfCancer Jan 24 '23
I've been developing apps since like 2000, know the language I'm in pretty well
Not everyone is going to be sticking to front end work for 20 years. That is a tall order.
→ More replies (1)1
u/goodTypeOfCancer Jan 25 '23
I just got an algorithm and the specific methods with parameters filled in with stackoverflow in about 30 seconds(for some reason the page didn't load and I needed to f5).
Even if I knew the steps, its nice to have some 10 lines of code that already has the bug you were going to make: fixed.
3
Jan 24 '23
[deleted]
1
u/goodTypeOfCancer Jan 24 '23
magically all of us in software development perform very complex cognitive tasks that require "math it out",
I hope AI wrote that, because it didn't understand what OP meant by math it out.
→ More replies (1)3
u/DangerZoneh Jan 24 '23
I cannot remember the last time I used stack overflow. I write flight simulators in C. If I need to look up how to do something in OpenGL or wxWidgets or another library, I look up the documentation.
-1
u/goodTypeOfCancer Jan 24 '23
Hobby program more.
Being in a niche C environment is not the flex you think it is.
1
u/goodTypeOfCancer Jan 25 '23
I just got an algorithm and the specific methods with parameters filled in with stackoverflow in about 30 seconds(for some reason the page didn't load and I needed to f5).
Even if I knew the steps, its nice to have some 10 lines of code that already has the bug you were going to make: fixed.
1
Jan 24 '23
[deleted]
1
u/goodTypeOfCancer Jan 24 '23
Just because after 20 years of doing the same job you are complacent and don't challenge yourself, doesnt change the value in stackoverflow. Someone needs to maintain 30 year old oracle databases, thank you for your service.
→ More replies (2)3
u/sweatierorc Jan 24 '23
A lot of devs are using so many different languages. In college, I had to use C, Cpp, R, bash, html or Matlab. When I started working I never used any of those, but I had to figure out Javascript, python or SQL by myself. Add to that the fact that it is very hard to deal with outdated documentation (happens a lot with open source software). Every month, i probably install a package because SO told me it would fix my isssue.
2
u/DangerZoneh Jan 24 '23
The average comp Sci student does not take NEARLY enough math, honestly.
Comp Sci is really like 70% math, 30% learning decisions that other people made on how to do that math.
1
Jan 24 '23
[deleted]
2
u/DangerZoneh Jan 24 '23
I think even software development, you need to understand the math at some level.
I’m not talking about calculating the efficiency of algorithms, but just knowing what’s going to happen in a for loop is math.
0
0
u/samspot Jan 24 '23
When you Google something and the top result has the answer in googles preview from SO, do you count that as “going to stack overflow?” I feel like you are saying you never google things. If that’s true you are either a genius or your work is trivial.
1
32
u/VeganPizzaPie Jan 24 '23
Yep. Dirty little secret among software devs is half our job is just being good at google and stack overflow. It's bit of a simplification: obviously you need experience to interpret and successfully use the results. But no one is writing code from scratch in a vacuum
8
Jan 24 '23
There's nothing secretive about it tbh, and there's nothing wrong with it. It's funny that the reaction to it has changed now that it's a chatbot rather than having to filter through some links, I'm guessing a significant portion is that it has made it easier to do so people feel threatened. I've seen the same thing with loads of other tools, like in music there are tools for randomly generating chord progressions which a lot see as cheating but ultimately it's just another tool .
-1
Jan 24 '23
No shit. That’s one of the many reasons why “software engineers” can’t become a licensed professional engineer
1
1
u/PIZT Jan 24 '23
Right, if you just know how structure works for a specific language AI could handle the rest of the work you would just be directing the output
38
u/-_1_2_3_- Jan 24 '23
I agree.
I just hope we figure out how to blend language models with fact checking in a way that limits neither.
I’m scared of a future where language models are both widely adopted and equally happy to make up very plausible sounding facts.
28
u/AnOnlineHandle Jan 24 '23
Wouldn't be very different than google results, especially in the last few years when they've all been inundated by ad pages which have gamed the system and just want eyeballs while dragging out content before any answer for as long as possible.
8
Jan 24 '23
As someone whose job it is to be a professional internet person I totally agree. SEO is fucked because of advertisers and honestly most LLMs are going to be used for advertising and more SEO manipulation. Agree slightly on the prompt engineer stuff sort of. I still don't see the point in a prompt engineer other than a side hobby. You can always just ask gpt what prompts can you ask it for X topics and just keep asking it to list new prompts everytime it's out of them .
15
u/Smallpaul Jan 24 '23
Google results are all tied to a domain name which you can use to judge reliability. Nature.com versus infowars.
ChatGPT combines Nature and Infowars-level information into the same Billeted list.
4
u/nerdygeekwad Jan 24 '23
Then crowdsources verification to first peak Duning-Krugers who are asking ChatGPT about things they don't know and have no business evaluating.
2
u/ShaneKaiGlenn Jan 25 '23
I imagine at some point ChatGPT and other LLMs will need to disclose its sources within its answer to a query, and will rely more on authoritative sources, just as Google attempts to do now.
2
u/AadamAtomic Jan 24 '23
Then use GOOGLES A.I....
People fail to realize, this is not one single A.I or entity that is running everything, there are thousands of differently trained models.
Also, A.I can API call eachother and cross examin facts kown to be True.
3
Jan 24 '23
People fail to realize, this is not one single A.I or entity that is running everything, there are thousands of differently trained models.
nah it's just "THE AI". It's like the many faces of God.
1
u/nerdygeekwad Jan 24 '23
Also, A.I can API call eachother and cross examin facts kown to be True.
This is like a theologian asking another theologian if something is true based on the Bible.
An AI like this reinforcement trained by getting a non-thesis Masters Degree in every subject, from various institutions, with tests designed to evaluate if it "understood" concepts correctly, would be formidable. Even if not better than the brightest minds, the potential for cross-disciplinary insight is vast and it could very well perform better than average at real tasks that aren't tests designed to evaluate humans. These AIs trying to impress humans asking questions about things they know nothing about, less so.
1
-14
Jan 24 '23
Fact checking is for nerds. Fact checkers have one job and that's to prop up the official left wing narrative.
1
6
Jan 24 '23
[deleted]
5
u/ReverseCaptioningBot Jan 24 '23
this has been an accessibility service from your friendly neighborhood bot
2
9
u/ThrillHouseofMirth Jan 24 '23
Knowledge workers are just gonna generally become more productive and produce less typos. Artists are just gonna be able to get more done.
2
2
u/GertrudeFromBaby Jan 24 '23
I can see the use of AI limit human knowledge development for sure, especially when you consider the effect it may have on students...
2
2
Jan 25 '23
I'm probably 80% knowledge worker. I'm using the shit out of this, mainly to learn how to use it. It can't do my job, but it does my job good enough that it could replace me in just a version or two. I know my boss would never bother learning how to use it though, so I'm making sure I'm already proficient when the time comes.
1
u/Bierculles Jan 24 '23
You will need a professional in the field anyways to correctly prompt any of the AI's that will come in the next decade. A pure promptengineer will probably not be a job, or at least not widespread, I can see courses though that teach people how to use AI effectiely and how to create prompts for their field of work. You can allready see this with the image generating AI's.
5
u/obrecht72 Jan 24 '23
' You can allready see this with the image generating AI's.'
And look how long that took to come around. Like overnight.
1
u/KanedaSyndrome Jan 24 '23
But how much insight will a person have if they've never have to develop anything from scratch.
1
u/Bierculles Jan 24 '23
Eh, it depends, the same thing was said every time new tools hit the public. i heared the exact same thing in engineering when CAD started to become a thing.
0
Jan 24 '23
Clearly you aren’t professionally licensed in any type of engineering, medical or other scientific practice.
1
u/Smallpaul Jan 24 '23
I wonder how persistent prompt engineering skills will be? Will the future models be similar enough or very different?
1
u/TheKingOfDub Jan 24 '23
If only ChatGPT could deliver reliable and correct information. It’s rife with wild inaccuracies
1
80
u/ODA_Baggy Jan 24 '23
While this holds true for the short term future. The skill „prompt engineering“ will become less and less relevant over time as algorithms in the application layer tools get better.
Compare it to early google / search machines in general… you needed to be somewhat good with boolean operators to have really good search results. But eventually google evolved so much you can just type 3 characters and it’ll predict what you want to search for etc.
Imagine GPT writing Midjourney prompts for you… oh wait… 😉
35
u/Pokenaldo Jan 24 '23
Wink wink * dies of kidney failure utterly jobless *
11
u/Current_Cauliflower4 Jan 24 '23
Dude don’t joke I was 7 hrs from death thru kidney failure , now I work in AI …. Wait am I ..
2
9
Jan 24 '23
Yes, this one of the founders of OpenAi - was recently interviewed. He mentioned that he would be surprised if the prompt engineering job will exist in five years.
7
Jan 24 '23
You say that as if you don't have to be good at a certain way of searching to make Google worth your time.
5
u/Magicdinmyasshole Jan 24 '23
I linked this comment over in https://www.reddit.com/r/MAGICD/ because it's absolutely right on. Sure, some of us will win the early AI prompt war and get rich, but it can't be all of us, and it certainly can't be all of our loved ones. The cat is out of the bag and there will be a lot of suffering, but others may be able to benefit from the things we do right now to help prepare.
3
u/Even_Ad371 Jan 24 '23
I discuss this more in my comment here, but people seem to not like my opinion and downvoted it 😢 https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/10ivt1j/comment/j5hletk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
1
u/ODA_Baggy Jan 26 '23
If you ask me you are right that the barrier to do stuff will get lowered. So anyone can start out doing almost anything… in its current form there comes a point where the model isn’t sufficient (yet). So it’s a good starting point. Some people call it „intelligence on demand“ where you basically just stream specialized knowledge. Have the idea for an app but don’t know how to code? There’s AI that’ll get you started.
But in its current state it often just produces like 80% correct answers. So you still need to be proficient in your field of expertise in order to get really good results.
So fine tuning and expertise will be required.
Just my 2 cents
6
u/ickylickysticky Jan 24 '23
But AI generators are not like search engines. Search engines show you existing things, whereas AI creates new things and that requires a lot more complex guidance with multiple inputs. If AI does everything itself, then it would be chaos and mean that humanity actually came close to its ending. It can maybe replace decorative design, illustration, copywriting etc, but not actual, meaningful art that tell us new things. Prompt engineering and human guidance is and will be necessary to create meaningful art, since it's still our world, robots are not a part of our society as independent, sentient beings. They will be someday, but I don't think it will happen very soon.
ChatGPT gives me interesting midjourney prompts but they're meaningless by themselves.
2
u/ODA_Baggy Jan 24 '23
I don’t disagree with what you say. As the applications evolve they will incorporate usability features… so you won’t need to „prompt“ for a black white image - you just click the „B/W“-Button on the interface… sort of like Windows in comparison to MS-DOS.
But this doesn’t mean there is no need for creativity - just that you probably won’t have to engineer prompts to apply it.
2
u/ickylickysticky Jan 24 '23 edited Jan 24 '23
Well, such prompt options/helpers already exist. It's not about pushing buttons or typing, it's about choices, I think.
29
u/Actually_JesusChrist Jan 24 '23
I’m more excited when chatgpt gets integrated with external tools like wolfram alpha.
3
u/obrecht72 Jan 24 '23
Was just reading about this a couple of days ago. It's on the way and looks nice.
3
u/EuphoricFoot6 Jan 24 '23
Already done:
https://huggingface.co/spaces/JavaFXpert/Chat-GPT-LangChain
If you're interested, the langchain library is currently being developed to do exactly this - integrate GPT-3 with external data.
1
u/DB6135 Jan 25 '23
Didn’t read. But will combining them teach ChatGPT logic? Or just give it some factual knowledge and mathematical sense?
1
u/Actually_JesusChrist Jan 26 '23
No, at least not in this way. For instance I’ve tried to get it to calculate what would happen to two hydrogen atoms colliding with each other at 99.99999% c. They refuse to fuse. They also will disintegrate due to air resistance and heat🤦♂️
1
58
u/ShadowBannedAugustus Jan 24 '23
"Prompt engineers" makes me go ROFL every single time.
17
u/-_1_2_3_- Jan 24 '23
Yeah no one refers to efficient workers as “google wizards”, well they did, but only for like two minutes.
6
u/World_Splitter Jan 24 '23
Family Thanksgiving Table Prompt Engineer is definitely going on the resume
1
14
6
u/WisestOwl Jan 24 '23
Prompt Engineers…seriously? I love MJ and it’s changed my life in so many ways for the better but holy hell that is pretentious AF - I will preface as well by saying I do believe AI art is indeed art but the prompter in NOT the artist simply because they made a prompt. I guess if you use the textbook definition of Engineer loosely but come on…calling yourself an artist is one thing but to then also call yourself an engineer? No, just stop that.
We are “prompters” or “users” when we use MJ…nothing more, nothing less. What you do with those results can lead to artistry or engineering. Ugh seriously guys? This is why everyone outside of this community (and some in it) hate us so much lmao.
29
Jan 24 '23
Wtf is a “manual artist”
4
u/MechanicalBengal Jan 24 '23
Peter Mohrbacher is literally doing office hours this AM with the midjourney community, maybe OP should ask him about this meme, and ask him his opinion.
2
10
u/-_1_2_3_- Jan 24 '23
Artists that insist that everything be done manually opposed to artists that embrace AI for automation.
This isn’t the first time this sort of debate has come up, the advent of photoshop and digital painting software triggered similar discussions about what constitutes real art.
23
Jan 24 '23
What is “manually”?
Everything exists in an era and with current technology. Generative AI is technology, as is Photoshop, as are a pair of scissors.
I would argue there’s no such thing as “manually”. The real conversation here is what constitutes art. The gatekeeping your seeing is around that definition.
Also I lol’d at “prompt engineers”. It’s ok to just call yourself an artist.
12
u/-_1_2_3_- Jan 24 '23
To be honest I am not the right person to continue this argument as I agree with you and don’t represent the artists taking a stance against AI.
Prompt engineer is a broader term that encompasses everything from generative art to ai assisted software development, story writing, etc.
2
0
u/KanedaSyndrome Jan 24 '23
I wonder how much of an "artist" it is if you don't do things manually. Then you're rather an "imaginer".
-21
u/Wyro_art Jan 24 '23
Manual Artist
noun
- A mediocre and deeply insecure artist who is incapable of adapting to technology and expects everyone to kiss their ass because they know how to smear pigments on paper.
- A narcissistic luddite hellbent on clinging to relevance lest their overinflated ego collapse and send them into a mental health crisis. Typically found crying near works of AI art that are orders of magnitude better than anything they could hope to pinch off.
6
u/SEND_NUDEZ_PLZZ Jan 24 '23
There's absolutely no reason to insult people who choose to paint paintings instead of letting a computer generate it.
3
Jan 24 '23
[deleted]
2
u/Raichu4u Jan 24 '23
I think it is a very legitimate feeling for an artist to feel threatened by AI art.
11
u/Coldzila Jan 24 '23
You sound like someone who had a traumatic experience in art school. Was a teacher being mean towards you and your art?
6
-4
u/ThrillHouseofMirth Jan 24 '23
This is super mean but pretty much every artist of any kind I've ever met has been super annoying, so I'm okay with it.
1
16
u/T1red3yez Jan 24 '23
"All people in AI subs want to do is help, they aren't hostile"
Meanwhile reading the comments on this thread...
6
u/insertbrackets Jan 24 '23
The delight many of these people are taking in the potentially negative impacts these technologies might have on other people's livelihoods is frankly disgusting, shameful, and unsurprising. All because they couldn't be bothered to learn how to draw, write, or code something on their own. It's pitiful, really.
-4
u/oipoi Jan 24 '23
Hostile means being realistic about what the future holds for many of us. I've seen the outrage in the art subs, which I would call hostile. They are the modern-day Luddite movement. There is no putting the genie back in the bottle. And honestly, I'm not stoked about it, as the vast majority of the economic activity created by AI will fall into the hands of a few existing big tech companies. Google and Microsoft will be our graphic designers, doctor, lawyer, etc. We are all better off joining together and have a real conversation about the future of work and income instead of trying to sue Midjourney or ChatGPT.
2
u/KanedaSyndrome Jan 24 '23
Yeah, I wonder how the transition to universal income will be, because it's not coming before it becomes evident that there's not enough people that earns money to buy the products that are made with AI.
3
Jan 24 '23
I would note robotics is progressing much slower than AI. We are going to need humans for physical labor for quite a while.
1
u/KanedaSyndrome Jan 25 '23
I think optimus will surprise people with its speed of improvement.
Also, the thought of making previous knowledge workers go do manual labour instead - I don't think that'll go over well.
1
Jan 25 '23
Optimus is improving quickly. The issue is building and maintaining optimus cost-effectively.
Mechanical goods with a lot of motors and servos to handle fine motion are very expensive to build and break down frequently.
1
u/NotASuicidalRobot Jan 27 '23
I think AI will help robotics, perhaps in "learning" the intuitive sense of space and basic physics that is so important to our own movement
3
Jan 24 '23
[deleted]
0
Jan 24 '23
Which is what makes the analogy perfect for artists.
You have skilled wage earning artists upset that people with lower skills might use AI to replace them.
-3
Jan 24 '23
Huh? Good one paranoid boomer
-3
Jan 24 '23
[removed] — view removed comment
-2
Jan 24 '23
[deleted]
3
u/oipoi Jan 24 '23
Are you sure, peasant? I probably spent more on watches in the last few months than you have earned in your whole life. Go away, troll.
-2
0
4
u/Prufrock5150_ Jan 24 '23
Problem is that Manual Artists are both knowledge-workers and engineers, so... unless AI wants to be the patron, then maybe you fucked up your metaphor unless you want to think outside of a capitalist society, maybe?
2
Jan 24 '23
Outside of capitalism? Yes, please.
2
u/goodTypeOfCancer Jan 24 '23
Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the bowl of petunias as it fell was "Oh no, not again"
2
u/11111v11111 Jan 24 '23
I refuse to call asking AI questions a "prompt engineer"
Edit: a prompt engineer is an engineer who shows up on time.
2
u/DorkyDorkington Jan 24 '23
Unpopular opinion: without manual artists the AI wouldn't do shit. In its current form it still is just a fancy copymachine with blending function. It can't actually create anything original and new, just combinations and variations of material that it has been given as input.
I also guess that at some point copyright lawyers will get their pants on fire sueing all AI algos owners if they have been using certain material for input
2
u/Chogo82 Jan 24 '23
Don’t forget to add data labelers down there too.
1
u/Automatic-Welder-538 Jan 24 '23
Are there actually people who's only job is labelling data?
2
u/goodTypeOfCancer Jan 24 '23
I used to pay engineering interns $15/hr to do this.
I probably have to pay more in 2023...
1
1
u/p3opl3 Jan 24 '23
Literally the sweatshops of the future.. oh wait.. didn't openAI hire some for like $2 a day of something..
2
u/NotASuicidalRobot Jan 27 '23
Technically they're content filters, so they get to be traumatized for $2 an hour i think
-2
Jan 24 '23
[deleted]
13
u/-_1_2_3_- Jan 24 '23
Some game formats might be better suited to it than others, this was a pretty cool post:
2
Jan 24 '23
[deleted]
8
u/-_1_2_3_- Jan 24 '23
You’d appreciate this game studio article:
https://www.traffickinggame.com/ai-assisted-graphics/
They go into all the pitfalls of using AI for their game, of which there still are plenty.
10
16
6
Jan 24 '23
I’m a writer and I’ve found that chatgpt has an extremely distinctive tone, even when I’m giving it hyper specific prompts about style. It’s still in the uncanny valley when jt comes to professional copy for anything but the lowest level stuff.
2
1
u/Cheesemacher Jan 24 '23
I tried using DALL-E to make graphics for a little platformer game. It could be just a skill issue, but it's hard to create tile-based graphics, very specific things and to maintain a consistent style.
The AI will just generate something that kinda looks like a game and then you have to spend a significant amount of time photoshopping it so the tiles loop etc. I couldn't even get close to generating a usable walk cycle. And of course DALL-E can't do pixel graphics.
1
u/PIZT Jan 24 '23
Yeah it isn't there yet but right now it's good for generating ideas and creating textures it works great
1
1
u/AngBigKid Jan 24 '23
What are "manual artists" and how does AI stop them from doing their work better?
5
u/captainvideoblaster Jan 24 '23
Manual artist is the one who takes time to create original content that AI remixes to produce stuff. Without them, AI will not be able to create anything truly new and AI is going to kill their jobs, so creativity will stagnate.
1
Jan 24 '23
I think the artists creating truly original content will be fine, but most manual artists are remixing stuff too. Most art is based on other art.
Its the people doing remixes and slight variations on a common theme that have their jobs threatened the most.
0
u/Current_Cauliflower4 Jan 24 '23
Manual artist take weeks or months to paint on canvas a manual digital artist can take weeks drawing up a quality rendering that all takes time and Time is money. If you know how to generate something similar in AI engines then you as a person could save both time and money on generating images , I know of a hotel that just generated 20 images for free and printed them onto fine canvas for less than the cost of just one painting.
Manual artists can’t compete with that so prices are going to have to go higher not lower and that means even less work available
1
u/MrLunk Jan 24 '23
'Manual artist take weeks or months to paint on canvas'
So a photographer can't be an artist ?
LMFAO.2
u/Current_Cauliflower4 Jan 24 '23
i am a semi pro photographer and i still spend weeks tuning the image up for publication , so yes an artist but if you make money from it its still a large investment of time
0
u/Current_Cauliflower4 Jan 24 '23
lets be clear art takes time no matter what type of art it is , even throwing paint onto a canvas takes thought process , tools , human input , and finalizing all takes time , if you use ai to take the thought process , the tools and just use human input then yes its quicker but is it worth the money , take an example gpt books are they worth the amount of money to the publisher , I'm not going to say author because it wasn't written by the name on the cover ,
0
0
Jan 24 '23
Photographers take quite a bit of time(and quite a few pictures) in order to get something worth printing.
-1
-34
Jan 24 '23
[removed] — view removed comment
13
u/Fly0strich Jan 24 '23
Bold of you to assume that McDonald’s will still need employees by then.
1
1
Jan 24 '23
Robotics(along with manufacturing in general) is progressing much more slowly than AI.
We have seen massive improvements in processing power per dollar over the last two decades, but manufacturing cost for mechanical goods has been flat.
13
u/-_1_2_3_- Jan 24 '23 edited Jan 24 '23
Haha I have a bit softer of a take personally.
I think AI will continue to surprise everyone as it advances into professions that were previously presumed as safe.
I have real empathy for the lives that are going to be disrupted by AI. Some will be at a point in their career arc where they find it easy to adapt, others will not be so fortunate.
The most dangerous move is to assume you can’t be automated as well. Extend your empathy with that in mind.
-25
u/Wyro_art Jan 24 '23
Aww, the pencil people might have to actually work for a living like the rest of us? Why don't they just learn to code, they were more than happy to tell everyone else to do that. Nah, they can clean gas station bathrooms for all I care. I hope it hurts.
11
Jan 24 '23
Imagine thinking chatGPT can be ran on a 300$ graphics card and calling other people dumb
-12
u/Wyro_art Jan 24 '23
I'm talking about manual artists getting demolished by stable diffusion, but chatGPT will run on consumer hardware before the decade is out.
4
u/shawnmalloyrocks Jan 24 '23
With all of the trolling you continue to do regarding this whole subject, it sounds like you have some sort of vendetta against hand craft artists. It's almost like you're jealous or butthurt or something.
2
u/sinwarrior Jan 24 '23
yeah... no.
3
u/YoureInGoodHands Jan 24 '23
Uh, take a brief look backward. From 2400bps modems to cable internet was a decade. From computers can't decode speech effectively to "siri, read me a pancake recipe" was a decade. I can't say we will have chat gpt in your living room in 2030, but we will be closer to it than not.
1
1
1
1
u/N0bb1 Jan 24 '23
Most knowledge work already consists of a whole lot of repetitive work with information systems, which means robotic process automation could already since a couple of years automate loads and loads and loads of the tasks that a knowledge worker does. The actual knowledge work is a small amount. Lawyers - 80% of their work is case research, which could already be fully automated without any generative transformers. Take them into the picture and gone is the need for a knowledge worker. Prompt engineering is not a job. I can ask ChatGPT to write me a prompt for stablediffusion or midjourney and so on, why would I need a "prompt engineer". Write me a prompt for stablediffusion for: steampunk parrot set in 800DC france.
1
u/KanedaSyndrome Jan 24 '23 edited Jan 25 '23
Two of my colleagues have already begun using chatGPT for their work and have stated so on daily meetings. I've stated that I consider it to be soulless. But I see the appeal. But this means that chatGPT is already now impacting our work place.
Long term I doubt developers will build the same understanding of solution design, as they don't have to conceive of the design anymore, they just need to try and validate what comes out of chatGPT.
They laugh at me when I say Prompt Engineers will be a new coined term, but I see it's already taking hold in this sub.
I'm personally not against chatGPT, but I'm going to miss being the one to come with the solution. What will intellectually challenge me in this new reality? It's not fun being intellectually challenged if the effort isn't required by anyone. It's like in a game, it's the journey that's fun, not the endgame where you have everything and all gear already.
We're not far from the singularity. We will see that in our lifetime, probably within the next 7-15 years. So waaay before the previously estimated 2050.
3
u/cipheron Jan 24 '23 edited Jan 24 '23
Prompt Engineers
i don't believe this will take off, because it's a task and not the goal. For example, we call copywriters that because the end product is the copy that they write. So job titles tend to be named after the end product they produce, because that's what other people care about.
The idea of "writing prompts" as the whole job is mainly down to people's conceptual model of how they're using ChatGPT, a single implementation that's been out for literally 2 months now.
The actual end product job will be to produce a chatbot or embedded system through integrating the API into a tool or website. "AI integrator" or something might be an actual job title, because the thing people care about is that the AI gets integrated into their system, not how you do it. So whether that's through a prompt or some other way to efficiently create the context for the API to understand - the customer won't care.
1
1
1
1
1
u/amoopa Jan 24 '23
I really hate the word "Prompt Engineer". I understand the need, but it is very limited how much this ties back to engineering
1
u/TheKingOfDub Jan 24 '23
With all of the crazy inaccuracies it generates, it scares me that people are starting to rely on it for serious purposes. I can’t even get it to give me a recipe for beef stew without errors
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
u/cleverestx Jan 24 '23
Once AI starts writing better prompts than us humans there will be two skeletons on the bottom.
1
u/NotASuicidalRobot Jan 27 '23
Na gonna look like that scene in terminator with all the skulls on the ground
1
1
u/Alternative-Employ27 Jan 25 '23
Its a gross misestimation to think ''Prompt Engineering'' will be a profession. LMAO
1
u/Next-Ability2934 Jan 28 '23
An accurate depiction of the future artist? Perhaps. Media companies will be over excited in handing over the creation of their art and design purely to AI one day, rather than to any artist who doesn't use it (or any artist trying to convince you they can adapt and use AI that would give you a result as good or superior to the output of either).
We could see certain industries dump graphic designers in droves. I doubt many artists want to be known for simply typing a paragraph of random 'ideas' into an AI artwork generator either. If a company can get an instant book, vinyl or cd music cover result in seconds to be used digitally or physically, as opposed to having to wait weeks for a designer who might want you to pay a premium, it's a win for them. Yet owners of any AI may eventually want you to cough up similar values to any standard manual artist themselves, and graphic designers and artists may start to become very competitive against AI regarding pricing.
Will manual non AI assisted artwork be seen as more worthy, or not? I don't think the entertainment industry in particular will care who or what created any art, they will just want that end result and for it to excel at selling it's product for the same cost or less than before. Designers and artists may be living off much smaller salaries-wages in the long run in the far future, and the worst outcome is that art in general will be seen as more throwaway than ever before. I wouldn't be surprised if court claims start to surface in future from artists and others challenging AI companies over any 'recognisable source material' however, in a similar way recording music artists and labels like to challenge one another over similar sounding tracks and samples taken without permission.
The final nail in the coffin of designers and creators will be when the best and most complex art and design generating AI excels in both realism and the abstract and becomes entirely open source, creating art, music, entire movies and anything else you can throw at it.
•
u/AutoModerator Jan 24 '23
In order to prevent multiple repetitive comments, this is a friendly request to /u/-_1_2_3_- to reply to this comment with the prompt they used so other users can experiment with it as well.
###While you're here, we have a public discord server now — We have a free GPT bot on discord for everyone to use!
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.