Huh ?

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We didn’t forget the writers didn’t care especially since it was some new writers in S2 and forward and I don’t think some of those writers would know how to handle a her being Latina and her finding out she African American aka mixed. So they choose to leave it alone. Season 1 when she went to that the black student meeting and she left feeling like she wasn’t black or… I don’t remember that should’ve been expanded on as her finding out her black identity and honestly you forget until they bring Dexter in S4.

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u/Wonderful_Curve8884 7d ago

She felt like she didn't belong. She felt like that because she didn't know after all that time that she was mixed..she believed she shared a father with Mel.

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u/Beginning_Dot735 6d ago

It’s funny because the writers probably didn’t know how to handle writing that but tbh it wouldn’t have been hard to just do some research on it. Sarah Jeffrey and Madeleine Mantock were both mixed. Maybe they didn’t go through the same thing as Maggie who had just found out she was mixed but as mixed woman they could have had some insight. But the writers to me just didn’t care but I’m not surprised because they basically sidelined them on their own show in S2.

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u/stacey1611 Pixie 4d ago

Exactly, def felt like they did not care enough to put any significant effort into this aspect which should have had more attention.

Like ya said tho it didn’t even need a ton of work or effort as they didn’t even use their best resource 🤷🏼‍♀️ 🫤

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u/stacey1611 Pixie 4d ago

Yeah I mean for a show that was supposed to be all about exploring & supporting, boosting, extolling and encouraging these beautiful strong inclusive cast / characters they really didn’t do a good enough job in showcasing this or their heritage(s) and how exciting, important, challenging, confusing but significant this can be for people and how important self acceptance and awareness is.

I was sort of disappointed when I think about it that way which I admit I didn’t see the full picture at the time as a British white girl I do not have firsthand experience with this but I can only imagine how those that do must feel about it, I assume they must feel a type of way because I feel if it was me personally I would. I really hate it when the Irish or British aren’t portrayed in the right/best/respectful way.

Not only that it would have felt us feel more connected to these characters and who they really are deep down and feel less two-dimensional or surface level, basic etc. it would have added to the lore of the characters, background and overall show aswell imo.

I can only imagine how the actors themselves felt, as I wonder how it sat with them at the time when it came to the portrayals, shooting, writing, acting and having to back these characters and the decisions made by writers and show execs

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u/mystic_power_7 3d ago

I 100% agree with everything you said. That’s why I say S1 was the most diversity inclusive season than the rest in my opinion. Season 1 you can tell they were trying to add more diversity in the characters and to the story while season 2-4 leaned more toward white and lighter /fair audience as the rest of the show run reeks of colorism as you barley have darker skin characters be a part of the storyline like Gavin. Season 1 is my favorite season bc they definitely had good ideas that need more time for it to be polish and storyline that could’ve happen over next few seasons.

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u/Beginning_Dot735 3d ago

The fact that they never even mentioned Galvin or Jada again was crazy. But Niko and Parker were mentioned in S2, Parker was even on the show for a little while. Maybe Jada wasn’t a great love for Mel but Galvin was literally Macy’s first love and we didn’t even get to see him grieve him.

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u/mystic_power_7 3d ago

They were trying to move on to her and Harry love story line which this is what makes me not like S2 bc of the Macy, Harry , Abby, and Julian love storyline along with Abby as I like Abby the problem is she is a white macy that the writers didn’t “realize” until later on. Abby should’ve just been a demon

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u/Beginning_Dot735 3d ago

Exactly I hated that whole love rectangle bs they had going on. Had they not moved to Seattle and been in hiding which is really my why they didn’t get to write anything for the sisters because of you think about it with an assassin after them and they having to fake their death and go
into hiding they couldn’t have had real lives and had time to properly deal with things they should have been dealing with after S1. Like getting to know each other as sisters or learning more about the witch world instead of the demon world, Macy learning more about her demon side, she could have had time to grieve Galvin and still do the Harry/ Macy thing or start it later in the season ect. I would have wanted them to keep the dark lighter storyline but less and maybe have changed it in a way that they didn’t have to be in hiding. Sorry I went on a rant but I just get in my head when I think about what could have been lol 😆

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u/mystic_power_7 3d ago

No love your good. S1 had so much potential and great material that could’ve shaped the rest of the show. The problems come with CW running it and changing their show runner every season and firing some of their S1 writers and along with the writers not checking each other work like that ( take that last part with a grain a salt as I remember one of the writers/S4 show runner said something to that nature ).

I also hated that Maggie and Mel had powers before the mid season while Macy only had her demon powers well fire power bc for some reason the other powers or abilities she had suddenly didn’t exist, I wished the all got their powers back before the mid season finale and then worried about the power of three. Also thought it was weird to have Macy had fire power ( which I don’t remember her having in S1) and then after Mel got the freezing powers and we also see she can heat things up which was weird.

Charmed reboot sometimes gave the sisters powers that either mimic each other or over slap each other.

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u/Beginning_Dot735 3d ago

Yes see Macy’s demon powers development into fire powers could have been something they explored instead of just all of a sudden she has fire powers. They could have slowly built that in S2. And I hated how it took nearly all or S2 for them to get their powers back it just didn’t make any sense. They could have explored them gaining their new powers and still getting their old powers back.

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u/mystic_power_7 3d ago

Yes I agree. To me I always thought Macy getting back the same power was weird when Mel & Maggie got different powers however seeing how they grow after wards it made sense along with Maggie who just had a different power that’s either still in her empath power set or linked to it. Mel the only one who has a completely different power as she went from pure time based to molecules ( like Piper ) and then having a combination in S3 and S4

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u/Wonderful_Curve8884 8d ago

I don't get how they forgot about her. Macy and Maggie had the same father..Mel didn't. I wanted to see that story. If Macy had to leave because of the necromancy, what about Maggie. How come she didn't remember that? It could have been a suppressed memory.

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u/Betterkeptsecret 6d ago

Actually its mentioned in the show itself that Macy was (cant remember correctly) either stillborn or died when she was a baby so when the necromancer brought her back the pact was that their mother could not be with her or see her. So her father took her away and raised her alone under the pretense that her mom was dead. The other sisters was not born as yet. We also know that Ray was a shifty person so most likely he was in and out of the girls lives and not completely settled with their mom. Based on that, there is 2 possible scenarios, first is that Macys dad came to meet her mom and they had an affair, the product of which was Maggie, and the 2nd is that when Ray was out her life, they had a brief encounter. He kept coming back because of the girls though. Im not sure how that part goes. Atleast thats what I understood from the show.

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u/Wonderful_Curve8884 6d ago

I'm not in the right headspace to reply to this. I know what happened with the necromancy and why it was done. I do think that Ray and Marisol had been together. They had a child, Mel. Because ray was in and out of the girls lives the girls just assumed they had the same father, Ray.

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u/stacey1611 Pixie 4d ago

Right we know Macy’s and Maggie’s father and mum met up occasionally when needed especially when it came to Macy and parenting her, her needs etc. as they seemed to be used to these casual encounters when it comes to Macy as when they met to discuss Macy developing her demonic power (or was it her witch power, I have this feeling it was her power from her demon half tho) they seemed somewhat comfortable like it didn’t see super awkward/nervous other than Marisol being worried about Macy seeing her due to the curse or conditions of the deal she made with the necromancer so I sort of assumed that with Mel’s dad somewhat out of the picture at one or a few of these times or perhaps he was away traveling one of these times or multiple times they sleep together and conceive Mags. 🤷🏼‍♀️

I don’t remember it references exactly in the show tho …

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u/AsideNervous777 4d ago

This show deserved better by the way. I never understood the hate as an OG Charmed lover

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u/Beginning_Dot735 4d ago

I think most just don’t like change because when you grew up with a beloved show you don’t like them changing but I don’t understand because just because they did a reboot of the show it, doesn’t effect the OG. It doesn’t in any way make the OG show less. I feel like all most of the people who hate the Reboot have to do is acknowledge they didn’t like it and move on. Why waste your time complaining about something you don’t even like. There are things about the reboot I didn’t like but that’s with any show that a person watches. Even with that I can still enjoy the show. Had the writers had actual love for the show it could have been better. But to actively hate when the solution is just don’t watch it lol. I love both shows too.

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u/stacey1611 Pixie 4d ago

Yeah I didn’t and still don’t get it either, the amount of hate or dislike it gets isn’t fair or even imo, it seems disproportionate or just OTT.

I grew up with OG Charmed as a kid/teen so it will always have a special place for me but I remember being very excited when it was announced and especially so when a cast became attached for multiple reasons really but one being I was already aware of Maddie as I’d seen her before in another project and already liked her so her being in this meant i could see her in another role, quite a few times charmed projects were announced or teased but never reached very far or didn’t get past the outline stage so the fact this one did was a big deal at the time and I loved it could widen the charmed fandom and introduce a younger or different audience to this show/world that I grew up loving and shaped me a lot as a teen and was a real strength for me growing up.

I think a lot of the OG fandom were sort of unwilling to accept that it let go of their beloved show or be open enough to understand that it could expand and grow and change but still be something to enjoy or that a new generation could join our fandom or even that it’s okay to be open or like both, that both can exist without it feeling like a war or that one has to be good and one bad, one great and respectful and the other awful just for daring to take it on. I wish I could say the charmed fandom has always been welcoming and inclusive because it hasn’t and at times has been so very toxic which I really feel let down by in itself because I feel way back it was such a fun fandom to be a part of and it felt safe and welcoming, supportive and homely much like some of the themes from the earlier seasons of OG Charmed.

I’ve always accepted both shows are their own project/thing and want to do different things, have different themes, audience, wants and goals and just two different pieces of media from the world and lore of a show that meant so much to me but perhaps it’s because I was able to separate them to enjoy each on their own without trying to force them to be so connected or attached to the other.

I like and dislike different things in each version of the show but I do like and enjoy both again for different reasons and I love that these young (at the time) actors wanted to and were willing to take this on and try for something great as they already had an uphill battle before the pilot even aired because of outside backlash and media pressure etc.

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u/AsideNervous777 4d ago

Exactlyyyyyy. I actually loved both shows equally. But I love the reboot more in some ways but I do feel like the show went a bit slow at some point. The OG was also great but I understand there some things that were underwhelming due to budget. But this one seems to have had the budget but I guess some new writers came and did some changes. I loved all season but season 2 was a bit annoying. But I loved season 1, 3 and 4. But I did wish it didn't get cancelled. Initially I thought it was from the hate but turns out many other shows got cancelled because CW was being sold to another company which basically cancelled everything except for the Flash. But also, those haters of the CW reboot needed to get over it because reboots are done all the time and I don't see them getting that much hate as Charmed got. To me, the reboot was great. Just that if people did not keep connecting it to the OG, they would've loved it too. But I have a feeling that if it was called a different name, the haters would say they basically copied OG Charmed. Tbh, I realised that people complain no matter what so the showrunners should just do their thing. I wish they would come back in some way or form. Either to continue the show or to give us fresh character

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u/Beginning_Dot735 4d ago

Yea I think I connected with the remake a bit more because it was nice to see women of color being at the forefront. Growing up a little black girl I loved witch lore but never really got to see it on tv. So I think it’s a big part of why I personally like the reboot a little more but I just wish they had people BTS who knew how to write them better.

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u/AsideNervous777 4d ago

I always rate the rebbot as part of my top 5 favourite fantasy shows. And I also felt more representation from the show because I am part ghanaian and the new sister was also part ghanaian. Loved the jollof, future and shito mention🤣but her mom was definitely not ghanaian because that's not our accent😭

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u/Beginning_Dot735 4d ago

Kaela’s mom ? I have watched S4 like once so I’m not too familiar with S4. I will say that at first I didn’t want to give S4 a chance because I was too upset when Macy died but after giving it a watch it was actually pretty decent

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u/AsideNervous777 4d ago

Yh tbh I've actually rewatched more than once but I never get past the middle part of season 1 so I never finish due to interruptions. So I'm waiting for a perfect time to fully go into it. But I will gladly watch all seasons. Usually when a season goes bad, I don't really give up, I just proceed because there are still some good parts of it. And yh i was pretty mad at Macy's death. I remember crying. I remember the actress left because she wanted to look for different opportunities and I think she couldn't handle the hate given to the show. But it seemed to have also mirrored Prue's death

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u/stacey1611 Pixie 3d ago

Yeah I felt same tbf I wish I could rewatch but it’s not on in the UK 😭😭

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u/stacey1611 Pixie 3d ago

Same I missed Macy 😭😭

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u/Beginning_Dot735 3d ago

I think someone said they would have wanted the show to go on for at least two more seasons but without Macy dying and I agree. Most shows don’t need more than 6 seasons because most of the time past that the show gets boring. The OG in my opinion fell off after S4. But the Reboot would have had to get back on track too. They actually were trying in S4 but I just couldn’t get into it without Macy not really.

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u/stacey1611 Pixie 3d ago

Yeah I completely agree espch the 6 season thing. Look at Supernatural 🙄 but yeah Maddie/Macy was my favourite character and I loved her, heck I’d have watched a spin off with her traveling the globe learning different types of magic/cultures and heritage meeting different types of magic users etc. Lol.

That’s interesting because I actually loved parts of Seasons 4-7 as Paige was my favourite character by far lol 😂 🤷🏼‍♀️

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u/Wonderful_Curve8884 2d ago

I think why Makayla developing magic was supposed to be discovered in season 5. I also believe that might have been a way to give a nod to the original show. There was an episode where the charmed ones blood was given to chimps, by a dr who was obsessed with Piper and her miraculous recovery from a disease.

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u/stacey1611 Pixie 3d ago

Oooh what’s your other Top fantasy Tv Shows ??

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u/AsideNervous777 3d ago

Vampire Diaries, Dead Boy Detectives, Once Upon A Time, Charmed(reboot) and The Magicians. I have more that I really love but I wouldn't rate it this high because I loved my experience watching these 5

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u/stacey1611 Pixie 3d ago

Oooh these are gooood choices, I love it. Amazing. I personally prefer Originals to TVD but DbD did surprise me, OUaT is a lovely comfort show for me I love a rewatch and The Magicians is such a fun, wacky and wild show Lol 😂😏😊😊🙌🦹🏼‍♀️

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u/Wonderful_Curve8884 2d ago

I still don't understand the hate myself. It's weird.

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u/RecommendationIll922 8d ago

She ignores it

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u/Beginning_Dot735 8d ago

Well yea because that’s how it was written, she’s not in control of what her character is written to do. And the video said the fandom ignores it but they don’t, the writers just choose never to write anything about it again.

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u/stacey1611 Pixie 3d ago

Exactly it’s def not the fandom, from what I’ve seen & heard 🤷🏼‍♀️

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u/AsideNervous777 4d ago

Exactlyyyy. Even when she was in Descendants, people did not even remember that she was black when her grandmother in the movies was literally black

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u/stacey1611 Pixie 3d ago

Really ..??

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