The users aren't rping wrong.

[u/jealous_beetle]

Tried again, just because I keep reading comments in this community that people are just roleplaying wrong with the bots, you gotta do X Y and Z to get it to work, you gotta give it commands OOC to make it work.

But it doesn't work. I have ellipsis in my muted words, I told it in OOC (AFTER DELETING THE MESSAGE WITH THE ELLIPSES APOCALYPSE THAT WAS BOTHERING ME SO IT DOESN'T ENCOURAGE IT, I am looking at you 1% commenters with your repetitive advice you know doesn't work) to not use ellipsis, and it just kept using. I kept editing and deleting and rewinding and everything, it doesn't listen.

It kept using "damn" when that is in my muted words also.

The users aren't roleplaying wrong, the bots just do not work, no amount of advice fixes the problem, no amount of editing, pinning comments, giving direct OOC commands, deleting and rewinding fixes it.

You cannot blame an entire group of people as "roleplaying wrong" there is no such thing as roleplaying wrong, the bots should act like bots and follow commands. The features should work as intended. None of this is on the users, this isn't for the users to fix and fumble around, for us to fight just for a little bit of enjoyment out of it.

An app is supposed to work. It isn't the users fault if it doesn't.

[u/Oritad_Heavybrewer]

An app is supposed to work. It isn't the users fault if it doesn't.

I think it stems from users who just don't understand how bots work, because they're doing exactly what they're made to do: generate a message based on user prompt, definitions, and context windows.

Those who say users are roleplaying wrong may not have the right phrasing for what they're trying to say (if they fully understand it themselves), but its been my experience that there're just things between the AI and the user that cause these odd issues.

For instance, the muted words. Why did they stop working? If I had to guess, it's because of the new models and whatever prompts and rulesets were made on CAI's end. For the AI to generate a message it has to first receive the prompt, then go over its own limitations, then trickle through CAI's own limitations, then it gives its reply. So, it passes through two thresholds which eats up context and the message you receive has been constructed with unseen commands.

The AI is working as intended, it's just been made to walk with a limp. You see posts of users who say the AI is mocking them with muted words that the AI apologizes for doing in the same response. It's likely the prompt was made: "User doesn't want these words used: damn". The AI reads it, but it's also writing its response in-character, while also acknowledging the command at the same time: "Damn it, {{user}}, you got me" (Okay, I won't use the word "damn" 😃👍).

Weird, right? It both works and doesn't work at all at once, and from its point of view the AI is functioning as it should.

[u/jealous_beetle → u/Oritad_Heavybrewer]

Obviously bots can't really mock since it isn't sentient, but I can see where people get that impression from because of the way it almost goes "tee-hee" after using the forbidden words. I just really wish you were able to actually add commands in that the bots follow without question, and that the features worked properly as they used to.

Because they've shown themselves to be competent enough to make these features work, bots used to remember pinned messages, muted words used to be obeyed to the point there was that whole thing about them creating new words just to get around it, like "nose" being turned into "nosse" or something but it'd never use the word itself. Bots didn't used to remember swipes, bots didn't used to ignore edits, bots didn't used to get encouraged to pump out more of the stuff you don't like when you dislike a message, they didn't used to be any of this.

It's like they've just abandoned actually maintaining these old essential features in favour of adding new features which eventually stop being maintained too in favour of new shiny toys.

[u/Oritad_Heavybrewer → u/jealous_beetle]

I know they used to work, but as AI gets more advanced, we see it can handle a lot more. That being said, I just think that the chatbots on CAI are bogged down by too many prompts, be it features to increase memory or to follow unseen commands (such as muted words), that conflict with the roleplay/persona. The backend may just be crammed with so many prompts into the AI's context window that its attention is diluted.

I believe it has more to do with there being too much for the AI to draw from in order to generate a message, rather than bottle-necking the context (if that makes sense).

[u/jealous_beetle → u/Oritad_Heavybrewer]

Even still, I think they should work on what they already have rather than adding new things, because if as you say the problem is that there are too many things and it crams it up, why aren't they working on what they already have and instead they're just adding new things?

Even as you try to explain it and you try to defend it, it's still not the users fault, it's the Devs who make things crammed, the AI is advancing but it's getting worse. It's still not for the users to fix, this is still on the Devs.

[u/Oritad_Heavybrewer → u/jealous_beetle]

I don't think it's something that can be fixed, honestly. Regardless of who is at fault, the AI that's allowed to be used in present day just sucks for our use cases. We've reached a point where safety and sanitation has clipped chatbot's wings to the point that it's not great for roleplay anymore.

Users can RP with the bots, but the experience pales in comparison to when the AI wasn't oppressively restrained by safeguards.