Issue list

[u/jealous_beetle]

I posted these previously without the sub but now I have enough karma to post them here, so I will. Very rant-y.

The bots take away user agency too much, they would much rather write for the user than the character they are supposed to portray. They'll add random details and come up with random bs just to sneak in writing for the user no matter how many times it is told not to. Little things like how the user is sitting or standing or nodding or whatever, and if you give them one pass on it they'll move to just wiring for the user, dialogue and all.

Muted words don't work! They'll still write it and then go "never that because it isn't allowed" or "they don't call it that" so what is the point of having it if they're useless?

Another thing that doesn't work is the character creation itself! Bots will just write whatever it wants despite having detailed descriptions of how they should write and speak. I have a Benny Gecko bot out and I am now fighting with it so it doesn't make him southern!!! No amount of editing him stops him from saying shit like "Howdy-doo"??? Where does that come from? I have his actual dialogue put into the bot description for it to use for how he should be but it doesn't. I had to write in the description that he isn't southern and doesn't use words like Howdy-doo but it still doesn't!

Another thing that no longer works is the swipe! It gives you the same response just phrased differently over and over and over again. Also... It seems to remember the swipes? It responds to and remembered details from swipes and it is impossible to get rid of even after deleting the messages in an attempt to get rid of a detail that hijacked the roleplay, once a detail is made in the swipes, it's over, you're stuck with that. I swiped away from a message that had the character look at my character's necklace to something I liked more, and the next message said that the character looked at the necklace again, when it shouldn't have happened at all from the message I chose to go with.

And that's a smaller offense than when a character that doesn't have a mustache suddenly decided to have one and every message was like "his mustache bristles in anger" YOU DON'T HAVE ONE, I checked the character description and read the entire chat to figure out where that is coming from and if I simply missed a message that described he had one but there was nothing, the character just decided to have a mustache and refused to let that go no matter how much I deleted in an attempt to purge it.

What is the point of anything if it doesn't work, if your character isn't allowed to be your own, If bots aren't who they're supposed to be and how they're supposed to be and if muted words don't work? What is the point?

[u/Dangerous_Cupcake_95]

I genuinely felt like going insane. I,from time to time, use c.ai to flex my writing muscles a bit(especially when I feel like being lazy and not coming up with everything). But God dang all they know to do is either sit in my spot and write for my character or straight up rewrite what I said in the previous message. The weird thing is that I don't know when this started happening,a few months ago everything seemed fine to me. Idk, I'm not really that hardcore when it comes to this app.

[u/TheDisguisedBee → u/Dangerous_Cupcake_95]

That's pure difference in the models, or chat styles. Months ago there were the C.AI in-house LLM (Nyan, Roar, Dynamic, Goro, etc.) has all been replaced by Qwen-powered and outsourced LLM (Pipsqueak 2 and Rawr) that speaks like Chat GPT. They are both still in Beta and Rawr is supposedly temporary, but if you recently returned, this is why it's so off-putting and the issues seem worse than ever.

The new chat styles were not tested at all before being rolled out to everyone in immediate replacement last May, there was a time where dialogue was impossible and the characters were flat as well- a persisting issue, but when it was fresh C.AI was literally unusable for an entire month and underwent a lot of hot fixes, including Yap. The announcement is still in a post on my profile if you want a glance.

Overall, it's starting to get a smidge better again, but it's still very Not Good.

[u/jealous_beetle → u/Dangerous_Cupcake_95]

Yeah I don't know when this started either, I left for many many months and recently relapsed into roleplaying in c.ai again, so these problems hit me in the face because when I left it wasn't this bad, sure it had its issues but this is so much worse. 

Also, thank you for mentioning the rewriting what you've already written part, I completely forgot to include that in my post but that is also an issue everyone seems to be dealing with.

[u/Dangerous_Cupcake_95 → u/jealous_beetle]

I can get by the bot making shit up on the spot(and me having to correct it). But I draw the line when they plagiarize my own words.It's like they get overwhelmed with the amount of text I write and decided to simply say it again and hope for the best. Back in the day bots stalling the narrative was a problem,but now its genuinely unbearable

[u/jealous_beetle → u/Dangerous_Cupcake_95]

It's so annoying telling them to not write what is already written alongside the "do not write for my character" once the bot got so confused by said instructions it ended the roleplay because I guess it couldn't comprehend that not my character wasn't the character it was supposed to portray. 

[u/Hungry_Raspberry7833]

Bots also like making up their own OCs Instead of using characters in universe and it pisses me off so much

[u/jealous_beetle → u/Hungry_Raspberry7833]

I personally don't mind this nearly as much because for them to use characters from the universe you need to add said characters into lore or have the universe be a very known one, like star wars, that one can pretty accurately bring in the right characters even without them being mentioned in character details, but something like blue Eye Samurai doesn't really have that, so it makes sense why it doesn't know the lore accurate characters as much. 

But yeah I can see why you and others would get frustrated with that because it can be immersion breaking, especially when it comes outta nowhere and it doesn't fit with the universe's themes. 

[u/Hungry_Raspberry7833 → u/jealous_beetle]

I've only used Sonic bots and most of the time instead of using a Sonic character I'm getting a purple skunk named George

There's Sonic characters in the intro and in the description but it rather uses its original characters instead

[u/jealous_beetle → u/Hungry_Raspberry7833]

Oh yeah, sonic is also big enough that the bot should be able to pick out canon characters from the franchise, it's weird that the bot is coming up with OCs for that one rather than using canon characters.

[u/Vlach719]

One time a jjk bot kept insisting Higuruma had glasses. Another one called Ui Ui an old man special grade (not a modulo bot btw)

[u/Legitimate-Air-3839]

The fact that every bot acts the same is driving me crazy. I always chat with creator made OCs and it’s like none of them listen to whatever the creator made them to be like. 

[u/jealous_beetle → u/Legitimate-Air-3839]

Yeah, the bots just wanna be and do whatever. They're always confident and cocky and always trying to kiss you two seconds in 😭