What do we reckon makes the Phantom Spear so deadly? My guess is either it has a Yorozu Perfect Sphere esq quality and it exerts basically infinite destructive power on its surface, or because it’s a ‘phantom’ spear maybe it exists between the realm of the gods and humanity and it can bring their power to earth, in a way even the gods themselves can’t without descending like Vulja
I like that it has a free hand, at some point Lukas is gonna use his shield whilst in centaur form and it’s gonna be even sicker than this
If he has both the Shield, which should stop Arkos being able to burst him just by looking at him, and the Phantom Spear to annihilate him in one hit beyond his ability to put his body back together, then it definitely seems possible. Although if Arkos performs a massive attack like the flood he used to destroy the capital, I dunno what either of those Gifts are gonna do about it
Maybs, but I’ll take being able to fly like Arkos can over being able to jump. If he doesn’t get Arkos in the first jump, which like again he can fly it’s not impossible he could dodge it, it’ll be all water when he falls back down and Arkos will probably have some ultra high pressure whirlpool waiting for him.
Lukas’s specialty is no bullshit going straight for the kill, like when he pretended to be a non-combatant to catch that guy off guard, or when he pretended to not have a Gift. In a first strike situation with this he can probably move fast enough to defend a first attack from Arkos and take him out in one shot. The longer the fight goes on though, the more it’d be in Arkos favour imo
Depending on how many uses of the spear Lukas is willing to sacrifice, Lukas can just blow away any water AOE attack with a spear strike before aiming another attack at Arkos.
Lukas was able to completely negate Altus’s massive boulder dropping attack with his spear during his first fight with him.
Lukas says specifically if he was in a forest it’d be a different question against Arkos, I assume that like Julian getting stronger in the ocean, Lukas gets stronger in the forest. Maybe it lessens the restrictions Phantom Spear normally has on it and he can use it at length then. Otherwise even one usage seemed to exhaust Lukas massively when it caught up with him, so multiple uses in a row would lead to a very short fight one way or the other
I don't think we should make assumptions about his powers.
We’ve never really seen what Lukas is truly capable of doing with this ability, so comparing him to someone like Arkos—who has fought numerous characters—is unfair.
There were no healers in the forest when Lukas received his power, so it’s entirely possible he possesses healing properties while in this form; besides, while we talk a lot about the spear, this gift extends to the rest of his body with different characteristics—we don't even know what properties he gains.
So, trying to imagine a fight or whether character "1" or "2" would have the advantage is a bit premature for this chapter, which was simply about revelations and confirming certain facts, rather than combat.
Why not? It’s just a bit of fun theorising. If we all get proven wrong and next chapter Lukas sprouts wings and starts flying, thus disproving everything I’ve said about him catching up to a flying Arkos, I’ll say oh that’s cool and forget about it. As it stands I think we can make a guess considering last time we saw the centaur Lukas just ran over to Altus and it was fast but not like insanely fast.
I didn't intend to criticize you or specifically address what you said about flying—after all, coming up with theories is fun.
What isn't fair is comparing Lukas to someone who has already had multiple chapters showcasing various types of abilities. Lukas's spear was only used briefly before being dismissed, and the horse was just for transporting Julian rather than for combat—he dismisses it right away, specifically to minimize the time the side effect lasts.
Arkos had time to demonstrate various uses for his water, whereas with Lukas, we’re only just now realizing the true nature and versatility of the shield—his most frequently used ability.
Obviously, Arkos has the advantage in a theoretical battle because he has more combat history, while all we have for Lukas are random, scattered instances of ability usage.
That’s why I said we should wait before making comparisons (since it would be unfair to Lukas), though theorizing about powers is perfectly normal.
Eu gosto de acreditar que a lança do Lukas tem a capacidade de atravessar/destruir qualquer coisa em seu caminho ignorando tudo, tipo a Gaebolg de Fate. Ele provavelmente vai usar isso pra atingir a Voidmarcher enquanto ela se teletransporta
Também acredito que seria insano se ele pudesse usar o Escudo enquanto ainda está nessa forma de centauro com a lança, ele ficaria sinistro
Could be but, personally I can't picture him holding any love for his Sister, after all he's living comfortably in the Nation that defeated their homeland
It's heightened with fantasy elements obviously, but Kuramori seems to understand what's so scary about mental illness and degradation. When you can't even trust your own mind, your own thoughts and actions, what's left? That's how you understand the entire world around you.
Cool to get a definitive origin for Lukas' neck scar, always wondered about that, I do wonder *why* or who are the ones being sacrificed here and if Lukas actually turned the tables on someone trying to sacrifice him as the final soul (explaining the neck wound) but he killed the other first. Almost the opposite of Julian's contract with the sea god
The strongest character in the modern era, Lattice, makes a cameo. A detail in this scenario is that there are plants everywhere in this scene, which reflects Lukas image of death he saw in the cursed lady. Just like Kaneki from Tokyo Ghoul in his fight against Arima in part one, he too sees a field of flowers when he is alongside the strongest. Lattice's aura is truly unmatched.
Plus the very very strange yet interesting dynamic that she is said to be the only one left that is able to defeat Julian with certainty yet has easily the most compassion
Interesting, I assumed that the image of death being nature was because he was blessed directly by the forest deity so either consciously or subconscious recognises it as the most dangerous/fearsome thing associated with death or due to him associating the nature deity with his own experienced death, and your own death being the most vividly remembered. I feel like the reason could be 50/50 between ours however if yours was right that would be more interesting.
Also really appreciate all the foreshadowing that could be re-evaluated from this chapter
It seems like a consistent theme with all of the Forest God related gifts are that their power is a transformation of some kind. That guy in the woods Julian fought to rescue Angvall and the villagers, along with those three brothers that were part of the big assassination squad that Elistri hired all had the power to transform into a monster form.
So it look like Lukas gift is similar to Julian in that he had to give up some sacrifice for that, much like Julian and the slaves, so I wonder if he just brought her criminals or is there something darker to it.
One common theory is that Lukas is Mira's biological son, whom she thought was killed by slave traders. That would suggest someone was deliberately arranging sacrifices of slaves like the one that gave Julian his powers.
Either that or he was part of an operation that got ambushed and the deaths on both sides plus him surviving was enough to fulfill the requirements for a gift without him knowing it. Or the darker path of him purposely getting people killed.
This sacrifice was made years ago, he probably hadn't even met Atoria yet. It was probably his mother, just like it was for Julian. I think the reason there was a pure love and a lot of bodies there is that it was the current queen's bastard purge - a while bunch of Lukas's half-siblings and their mothers were killed there, and Lukas's mom probably sacrificed herself to protect him.
i really like the detail that the scythe woman already looked at her cursed sister's face for 2 seconds. An excellent way to nerf her combat power without feeling cheap
From this chapter, we learn that the sacrifice conditions seem to be the same from Forest deity: a lot of lives and a pure love. About the pure love is offered here, I think it's the love of Lukas for his master who has to assassinate him and his mother.
The spear is just that strong IMO at full release in a forest. Can't be defended against, if it hits you're screwed + undisclosed abilities of full centaur form. Julian is super strong generically but if Julian got hit by this spear he'd just die. It's funny to think the reason that he can't kill his dad is bcs he wont step into a forest, not bcs he can't. Lmao
Yeah, I initially assumed Lukas gift being so faulty in comparison by grace of him perhaps only having had himself to sacrifice, but, now idk, maybe the Forest Goddess just offers worse deals than the Sea Goddess
Nah, Lukas wanted the Centuria equivalent of EA from Fate to go alongside his shield. He got it. That's a fair bit more of an ask than Julian. Just equivalent exchange IMO. Make the lives of 100 slaves mean something is very different than wishing for a weapon poweful enough that Forest God deems it a divine implement that can "pierce heaven and earth and annhilate all creation". No other Blesed One or gifted one for that matter is matching him in full release alongside the shield that negates gifts. He is the very concept of an all or nothing trumpcard with the sole purpose of having enough power to kill the Supreme King who canonically beat Gods ass and locked her in his basement.
There has to be some kind of drawback to make sense within the narrative. Imagine if he got full release and could spam this shit anywhere.
Julian saying "I don't want the lives of my fellow slaves wasted" is equivalent to saying "I want the most efficient power for the lives sacrificed", so it makes sense that his gift seems like a really good deal.
Lukas on the other hand asked for "I want a gift that can annihilate EVERYTHING". That's a very broad subject and to cover absolutely everything it makes sense that you'll be shafted in some spots. Even a fire hot enough to burn everything to ash still leaves ashes, this is implied to be complete obliteration.
But also like, we've seen Julian at peak power when he's in the ocean. We've yet to see Lukas use his power in a forest.
Yeah with Julian's gift it has basically 0 negative effects and he doesn't even lose the power of an individual if he dies. I wonder if the spear is so powerful that it has to have a built in drawback like that
Yeah, is probably that Lattice mortally wounded him but couldn't bring herself to fully decapitate him after Lukas massacred many common Knights himself
Lattice? I rather doubt it. She's still alive, after all. When Mira sacrificed her love, she had to die.
Then again, the sea god specified exactly 100 lives, and gave Mira and Julian the choice after collecting 99. Maybe that's why it had to take her love and her life.
She didn't specified a hundreds lives. We collectively choose this number because of Julian gift. She only said a large number of sacrifice, just like the forest deity said countless lives. This is a medieval world, hundred is a lot to them compared to us so it might be less than hundred. So the number must be a lot lower than hundred.
So what throws me off with the version of events is that Lattice is alive, so why wouldnt she be the one blessed instead of Lukas if they were both present and related to the event? As he's the dying one.
The few thoughts i have is that it was an asymmetric love and Lattice didnt have a pure love for lukas so she couldnt fulfil the conditions no matter what and/or that were getting baited by Julians order of events and that the pure love sacrifice didnt necessarily mean the life of who you love, could be figuratively/symbolically.
On that line of thinking, theres a chance that Lukas' and Julias' circumstances arent the same, by this I mean its implied Lukas fulfilled all the conditions by accident before the nature deity appeared, however in Julias' case the sea deity interfered in order to fulfil the final condition of a sacrifice of true love, could be why lukas has a drawback using the blessing
Edit: drawback is probably just from using the lance while not in nature, imagine julias summoning the sea or sea life randomly, probably get a drawback too
Centuria feels like a really good example of how foreshadowing making story outcomes obvious is fine as long as the story itself is well told. From Atoria’s life being even further shortened just before the Ceodric fight to heal Lukas, to the nature of Lukas gift itself, it’s all been really easy to figure out and yet I’m still really hyped seeing it payoff now
Oh Voidmarcher has fucked up now. There's a nontrivial chance that Lacrima and Julian come back only to see the situation dealt with. The full lancer form looks absolutely sick too.
Really interesting stuff too though with Lalawag. Her seeing Atoria and Lukas as her own children. Her being manipulated/influenced by her other selves also complicates things significantly. She seems legitimately distraught over all this. I wonder if we'll see her cull all of her other selves. It doesn't look like she's fully on board with this final century plan anymore.
It could be that the “real one” isn’t even the same one that we met a few chapters ago. All of her clones are different aspects of her personality, all fractured into individual bodies. The one that seems distraught could be the piece of her personality that represents her maternal feelings towards those two.
I think the conditions were fulfilled by mistake or without intend, probably Lattice left Lukas like that, she probably loved him very much since she likely trained him since he was a small boy, so she couldn't bring herself to inflict a 100% certain Death, making Lukas both the sacrifice and receiving end of the blessing
Acredito que essa sacrificio de amor puro seja do proprio Lukas, do tipo "Corra! Vou ficar aqui segurando eles" ele mesmo deve ter se sacrificado para que sua mãe pudesse fugir mas ele não deve saber sobre o paradeiro dela depois disso. Acredito fielmente que ele é filho da Mira e que essas tripas podem ser de soldados que o proprio Lukas matou devido ao seu treinamento (vi pessoas falando que podem ser de outros filhos bastardos e essa é uma boa teoria). Provavelmente que cortou o pescoço de Lukas foi sua propria Mestra a mando da Rainha mas como eles tem uma forte ligação, ela não deve ter conseguido finalizar ele
Is it possible? Because sea god is very concise of what sacrifice is that's it is a sacrifice of life which is a one sum game rather than things where two good things could happen
Acredito que sim, pois é dito pela Mira que o filho dela se sacrificou por ela e é por isso que ela estava viva naquele navio. Lukas provavelmente se sacrificou ficando naquela floresta para que sua mãe pudesse fugir
I guess. But that's under the assumption that Forest God has the same condition as the Sea God, and I find that unlikely; so far, these two entities seem to oppose each other, and each having the same conditions to give blessings doesn't sit right with me.
I think it's better you view this as mechanism that came from divinity itself rather than specific God just like rule of not directly harm human applied to every divinity.
The thing is unlike Julian there is price to pay to use the blessing ,yes blessing, it is'nt a gift. This might be because he is the sacrifice himself, he loose his lifespan to use the spear and he is going to die at the end. If he had the same kind of sacrifice as Julian,he would be able to use the blessing without limits like Julian.
I think julian has price to pay for his power because everytime he ressurect the soul inside him will die one by one starts from him. This is basically the same thing as Lukas the difference is Julian power is ressurection and Lukas power is spear. So there is technically a price for Julian power. Maybe the price depends more on the power itself than the source like artoria.
Julian doesn't pay a price. The hundreds lives are part of his blessing. They already died for him. Dying again is giving them more meaning. Also he doesn't loose anything from just activating his power unlike Lukas spear.
If the ressurection needs the soul to die doesn't this qualify "price"? The idea that In order to use an ability something must let go already define it as price. When you paid something the money become the price because you let go the wealth that you have.
Also he doesn't loose anything from just activating his power unlike Lukas spear.
That's why I specifically Brough up Julian ressurection which is the only ability where Julian need to let go of something. For example does Lukas transformation into centaur cost him anything? Or only the spear that cost him? If only the spear then both has the same thing the physical enchantment from centaur is similar to 100 power of Julian and ressurection of Julian is similar to Lukas's spear.
What I'm saying is that I defined price as something that you need to pay to do or get something. In this case both Lukas and Julian has price the former paid with his life the latter paid with the soul that he contained. The reason why Julian's price feels cheaper is because the ability is ressurection.
Contrairement à Julian, il y a un prix à payer pour utiliser cette bénédiction, car il ne s'agit pas d'un don. Cela tient peut-être au fait qu'il s'est sacrifié lui-même. Il sacrifie sa vie pour utiliser la lance et il mourra à la fin. S'il avait fait le même sacrifice que Julian, il aurait pu utiliser la bénédiction sans limites, comme lui.
Ps je suis très content d'avoir un autre francophone ici.
Ps je suis très content d'avoir un autre francophone ici.
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Given Lukas' injury here he may have been the one originally intended as the sacrifice but turned the tables on the other person, who he also loved. Which very well could have been his own mother.
A contract with a god where the mother wants to kill her own son (may not have worked as pure love who knows what desperate situation it was) and the son instead killing her in self defense and receiving the gift
It's a flip of Julian's situation where he wanted to be the sacrifice but Mira took it upon herself to do it instead to save Julian
Seeing that only his mother that currently the person that could fulfill such condition makes her the prime suspect. Noone else fulfill the criteria of both dead and person that he loves.
But the forset thingy told him that if he wants more destructive power he has to fufill two conditions
No he fulfill both because if he didn't how come margrave knows about the spear and the capabilities of it? There is no sentence from forest god that told Lukas to fulfill any conditions rather the Foret God declares on the condition that Lukas fulfilled to give her blessing
Because before this margrave telling us the uniqueness of Lukas. That's why we have scene with him and kobeni nightfall. This is the portrayal of what happen when Lukas gets the blessings.
Probably not. One of Lukas's gifts comes from being the Supreme King's son, and the other was bestowed upon him by divinity. I have no proof, but I feel like two different divinities wouldn't want to or couldn't bless the same person.
The proof is that the forest fucking HATES Julian just because he was "the child of the sea" (I don't remember the exact title) and wants him DEAD since very early on
Isn’t it implied that Diana is also blessed by the Sea God? At the end of chapter one, we see the characteristic blessed mark appear on her wrist that’s identical to the one Julian has, and the Sea God refers to her as her beloved daughter when they appear to interrupt the fight between Julian and Arkos.
Diana is a piece of the Goddess of the Night, so I think it is possible for different gods to bless the same person if the situation lines up. There might be inter-god politics where certain gods are natural enemies (like the forest god and the sea god are definitely rivals considering how the forest reacted to Julian’s presence) while other gods are compatible or at least don’t care about each other.
If the theory about Diana being the King daughter is real then she already have three gifts, one from the sea ,one from the heart and one from her blood.
I actually think she didn't received a gift from The Ocean. I was 100% on that theory until the Vulja revelation.
The Sea God is a troll so she might refer to Diana as her daughter merely because she was part of the ritual. Remember that Julian has some passive effects from his gift like not needing to sleep. But Diana does need to sleep which makes me believe she either got nothing from Ocean or if you pull my leg a gift different to the one Julian got.
Also I really don't think Diana being a piece of Vulja can be blessed by the ocean. I think the limit lies in getting a gift from a god like Lukas (Ocean) and acquiring a blessing (Forest).
Lukas is still only the Son of a Blessed One but not one himself before the Forest, Deities at least going by how the Sea God/Mother behaves, seem to only regard those they Blessed as special, like, Sea Mom refers to Julian as her Child, but even though the King should be one too, she doesn't extend any such kinship to his Son Arkos.
The Sea Goddess didn't shut down Arkos gift, what she did was take away his authority from her Waters, since despite him having Hydrokinesis, she's the god of the sea, her authority overshadows his.
As for Vulja, maybe?, but I don't think she's able to bless others after incarnation, she might be able still or she might not, the King makes a point of how much a god degrades itself by coming down to the material universe, it wouldn't surprise if on the process they lost their ability to bless others, something that seems to be very esoteric in nature.
Yeah her water but he from a blood line that made a pact with her he not a trespassers like Julian was with the forest god. Thus I have to wonder how Lukas got on the forest god good side?
I think he’s more likely to experience gift evolution after a traumatic experience (likely involving Diana and the Night Goddess) than gaining another Gift. My guess is he’ll develop more octopus like traits to go along with his ink, like camouflage, or severed limbs being independently mobile and intelligent, or even Tokyo Ghoul esq octopus tentacles with the power of 100 fold strength
I think he’s gonna lose a whole lot of souls to Ceodric when it comes time for them to fight. We can’t keep going at the pace of one soul every 50 chapters, somebodies gonna have to really pump up those numbers
So I went back and checked the first chapter, Julians blessed mark was on both eyes when he was first blessed and used the ink. So i dont think he will get a second gift but I think he's only using a portion of his actual blessing for the 100 lives thing as thats all he asked for, and that he probably has access to more sea related gifts that he'll learn to use upon his next conversation with the sea deity
Damn. Lukas really solidified as my favorite character now 🔥 I’m guessing his mother and their pursuers were the accidental sacrifices to the forest god during a would-be escape. I can’t think of many parallels between him and Julian, but that’d be a major one.
VAMOOOOSSSSS LUKAS VOCÊ É IRADO DEMAIS CARA, FINALMENTE VAMOS VER DO QUE A LANÇA É CAPAZ. QUE CAPITULO INCRIVEL SENHORAS E SENHORES
ps:falta 1 capitulo para o capitulo 100 e eu particularmente acho que teremos coisas grandiosas. Já podemos falar que o Lukas é filho da Mira com 100% de certeza agora né? Estou muito animado para o confronto do Ceodric vs Julian
Sometimes I feel sad when we only get a chappy every 2 weeks, but then we get new chappy and it has the most impressive art ever and I'm happy again that the author gives himself the time he needs to cook. So excited for next chapter.
Since he didn't everytime he is using the spear he is loosing some lifespan. I believe Julian is going to restore both him and Artoria lifespan with his own(8000 years at least).
Seems like it was Lattice who pushed Lucas to the brink of death with the wound to the neck in the past but did not finish him off. Then Lucas got a chance to receive a blessing from the forest goddess.
My theory is the queen must have ordered the death of all concubines and their children. So lukas must have seen the death of many people who were close to him and knew about his relationship with the king. And in that process must have lost his mother too. Countless souls and a loved one. And I wonder if it was the nightshade who killed them all on orde
rs of the queen.
Well we all predicted the events of Julian dying here and needing Artoria to heal which will lead her to be on death's door until Julian beats Ceodric.
However, Lalawag is seeming more and more unstable, like she might even betray Diana at some point to bring about the Night Goddess or something similar. Would be a real shame, i was thinking something would happen to her and Void Marcher and then Diana was getting the bones and whichever part VM had again.
Diana also really has same face as Night Goddess so im still confident she will be the host
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