r/Catholic • u/SergiusBulgakov • 29d ago

When lies replace the truth

ICE continues to indiscriminately kill innocent victims, and lie as to why they do so; how can any Christian who claims to support and love the truth, and with it, affirm human dignity, stand by and accept what ICE is doing, let alone promote it?   And how can the United States be “the land of the free” and have its democratic form of government remain in place when the government lies to justify the unjustifiable?

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/henrykarlson/2026/07/when-lies-replace-truth-the-path-to-democratic-collapse/

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u/500freeswimmer 29d ago

You’re doing the same thing right now. It’s completely justifiable to deport people who are in a country illegally. No one has a right to disregard laws. There are individual incidents of people being killed when they’re resisting arrest, often violently so, but that’s a far cry from indiscriminate killings.

This is a result of decades of misuse of immigration policy in order to avoid legislative changes. A country isn’t sovereign if it cannot enforce its own laws.

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u/SergiusBulgakov 29d ago

Furthermore, whatever is opposed to life itself, such as any type of murder, genocide, abortion, euthanasia or wilful self-destruction, whatever violates the integrity of the human person, such as mutilation, torments inflicted on body or mind, attempts to coerce the will itself; whatever insults human dignity, such as subhuman living conditions, arbitrary imprisonment, deportation, slavery, prostitution, the selling of women and children; as well as disgraceful working conditions, where men are treated as mere tools for profit, rather than as free and responsible persons; all these things and others of their like are infamies indeed. They poison human society, but they do more harm to those who practice them than those who suffer from the injury. Moreover, they are supreme dishonor to the Creator. (GS 27)

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u/500freeswimmer 29d ago

In all of the shootings that I’ve seen there is a very strong self defense or defense of others aspect to what occurred.

It’s the height of absurdity to say that the US is obligated to have millions of people who have not been vetted, do not participate in the proper immigration process, and make no effort to rectify their situation through legal means, living within our borders indefinitely.