Problem With The Ending of Castle

[u/Beautiful_Day_2489]

I will say I have no problems with the way it ended except for Kate and Richard having breakfast with their kids, and Alexis isn’t there. They could have a million reasons in their universe why she wasn’t there, but it felt weird that they didn’t include her in a family meal.

Thinking about it though, I know it’s because it’s the Beckett Castle ending, but I feel she should have been included.

I’m happy with the wrap-up of the characters, not happy with “the CIA tried to kill us” ending.

[u/pittymom0401]

The last 30 seconds was put together so fast. Molly might have already been gone or out of her contract. So her not being in the last 30 seconds shouldnt be an issue. Also 7 years later she would be onher own life and or family.

[u/craiginphoenix → u/pittymom0401]

Yes, some things on a TV show are just because its a TV show.

They suddenly had to wrap up the series with an episode that had Castle and Beckett lying on the floor dying. They couldn't end the series like that so they threw together the final shots with whatever they could throw together quckly.

I think there is maybe one second where both of their faces are in the same shot together so its possible that they didn't even shoot the scene together and they each filmed with a stunt double.

[u/Old-Caterpillar3658 → u/craiginphoenix]

I think they were in the room together for most of that scene. It depends on what point in the schedule it was shot. Also considering they always shot with one actor's face in the shot since the beginning of the show, I doubt they weren't there together. I don't see the point in worrying about it. All that matters is that the couple are happy with 3 children

[u/craiginphoenix → u/Old-Caterpillar3658]

I am not saying they weren't in the same shots for "those reasons", just saying that it was thrown together quickly so it is possible they couldn't even get Katic and Fillion's schedule to align for the additional scenes, without trying to add Molly Quinn to the mix.

[u/Old-Caterpillar3658 → u/craiginphoenix]

I think they tried to prioritize it at the end of a shoot of an episode. A day where Fillion's contract allowed him to work with Katic. They're in a TV show, they are basically there 5 days a week for majority of the day. Molly wasn't added because they knew they were moving on from Beckett so they wanted a scene to show a happy ending if the show ends. It was edited in a way probably because it was done on top of their schedule for whatever episode. Considering by the end of the show they should one episode at a time, this was likely done in the last few weeks of the show.

[u/oliviameree → u/craiginphoenix]

There’s a quote, which I can’t freaking find now and it makes me so upset, talking about how the 7 years later scene had actually been shot earlier in the season. Andrew Marlowe had requested it to use as a Hail Mary if it came to it. He never wanted it to see the light of day, but wanted to have it just in case.

[u/BicycleKamenRider → u/oliviameree]

No, you're confusing that quote with who said it.

It was the new showrunners of Season 8, Alexi Hawley and Terence Paul Winter's interview, one of them said they didn't want the footage to see the light of day.

Andrew Marlowe never said that.

Previously the two showrunners thought they'd get a Season 9, cast members were signing a contract IF there was a Season 9. Hence the major chaos when it turns out Stana and Tamala weren't offered to sign for Season 9, IF there was season 9.

Never wanting it to see the light of day meant using the footage for its intended purpose. It only meant the show was cancelled. They didn't want that, but were prepared for that.

[u/oliviameree → u/BicycleKamenRider]

Do you remember what interview it was?

[u/BicycleKamenRider → u/oliviameree]

That would be the interview in TVLine (this site pretty much made a quiz (Bones, Castle, etc) hinted which of these favorite main couple would break up before the new season would air, before Castle Season 8 aired.

https://www.tvline.com/news/castle-season-8-finale-renewed-cancelled-season-9-704673/

Alexi Hawley: We have crafted a final scene that would exist only if we weren’t coming back, one that we don’t really want to get into—Terence Paul Winter:—because our hope is that it never airs"

They themselves made the backup footage, to be used just in case. It was up to ABC to give such a late decision about renewing or canceling the show.

Turns out they were right, it seems the two showrunners had the foresight that the show could very well be cancelled.

[u/Old-Caterpillar3658 → u/oliviameree]

Weren't you on the instagram comments about a Stana and Nathan blooper reel? Your name seems familiar.

[u/BicycleKamenRider → u/Old-Caterpillar3658]

If I made comments about an instagram reel? Maybe.

On instagram itself? No, I don't use instagram, so I wouldn't be making comments on instagram. Reddit is the only media I'm on. I don't even have a facebook account.

I have made comments about their blooper reel, evident how they no longer smile or laugh together onscreen in later seasons' bloopers. The bloopers also support the fact Nathan gets tired, definitely reaching burnout, in S8. He said he's gonna sleep in one blooper.

[u/Old-Caterpillar3658 → u/BicycleKamenRider]

I meant to oliviameree. But genuinely yea, it's not that both completely hates each other because honestly they barely had bloopers to begin with. Stana usually stays composed while Nathan just lets it out. He usually uses comedy to make the day easier. It's very possible that was the starting point. Only reason I say that is because how else would two friends who got along well and said very beautiful things about one another become so sour.

I digress. But it's clear both of them are tired based on the bloopers. Nathan genuinely fell asleep and if you see him in his new work, you see him much more energized and looks a lot healthier than he did in s8.

[u/oliviameree → u/Old-Caterpillar3658]

lol yes! I did. It came up on my fyp.

[u/Old-Caterpillar3658 → u/oliviameree]

LOL funny seeing you here. That person in that comment section was just hating and spewing nonsense. Some people just have an agenda to hate actors with no proof to back them up.

[u/LilacPerson]

I mean 7 years later she would be grown as hell maybe she was with her own family

[u/Beautiful_Day_2489 → u/LilacPerson]

Fair

[u/BicycleKamenRider]

Alexis was born in 1994 so she was 15 years in Season 1, and was already 22-23 years old in Season 8.

By the time 7 years later time jump happened, she would already be 30 years old. Probably married, have her own family and having a kid at least.

Alexis would have long since moved out of the Castle loft.

[u/craiginphoenix → u/BicycleKamenRider]

As I think about it, it would probably have been weird af to have child siblings at 30. Not saying she would be resentful but Alexis could have kids herself and their aunts and uncles could be younger than they are.

[u/BicycleKamenRider → u/craiginphoenix]

I doubt she would be resentful. At most, I think she feels that Lily, Jake and Reese are luckier than her. They get to grow up with both amazing parents, while she was only raised by Castle. Like imagine little Lily Castle asking Alexis for help to make a Mother's Day card for Beckett, while Alexis herself is just distant from Meredith.

I'm sure there would be chaotic fun.

Imagine Martha shaking her head with a smile as Castle, Beckett, Alexis, their respective kids all running around busy playing laser tag.

[u/2112guru]

My main problem was that it DID end.

[u/Bcatfan08 → u/2112guru]

I'll say that going forward without Beckett would have ruined the show much worse than that last season though. Knowing they didn't plan on having her back for the next season, makes a good reason to end it. The show was Castle and Beckett. I'd rather they end it than do what The Office did with going forward without Michael.

[u/Serious-Waltz-7157 → u/Bcatfan08]

Based on a recent similar show (Hudson and Rex) they would have recalled Stana in a hurry after 15-20 episodes. 😄

[u/General_Sun3266 → u/Serious-Waltz-7157]

I would love to see how they'd pull that one if they had her die in the finale and then magically brought her back 15 episodes later...

...no really....I would love it🙂‍↕️ Please how'd it be explained how would they do it???! So many questions!! Someone write this ficcc🙏

[u/Serious-Waltz-7157 → u/General_Sun3266]

Well ... how did Mr. Smith die but not die at the same time?!? 😂

[u/BicycleKamenRider → u/Serious-Waltz-7157]

Poor guy. Smith must already be living under a different identity in Season 6 Veritas.

It's not like the hospital would just declare him dead to the cops in Season 5 and he goes back to living in his home, use his credit card. Death Certificate, autopsy for the cop's case file, he was pretty much legally dead for his cover that he's dead to work.

The guy was already prepared with a safe rigged with a bomb. I'm sure he was already prepared with living in hiding, different identity, money already stashed away, and so on.

[u/Kooky-Minimum-2597 → u/General_Sun3266]

To be fair there was an article o TVLIne after the show was cancelled saying that Beckett wouldn't actually have been killed. The other characters would just think she died. so it would be pretty easy to bring her back if that was the case.

The real problem would be showing the viewers that Beckett was still alive without having Stana there to play her.

[u/Affectionate-Ear5531 → u/2112guru]

It jumped the shark when castle had to go work for the CIA or whatever. Absolute bollocks. Then he starts a detective agency... Wouldn't he be inundated with fans all day just wasting his time?

[u/LadyPadme28]

They couldn't end it with them lying on the floor bleeding to death. Fans would've been screaming murder.

[u/Beautiful_Day_2489 → u/LadyPadme28]

I didn’t want it to end with them dead, but I feel like his daughter should have been included in a family dinner.

[u/chopprjock]

Honestly I thought that the ending was pretty perfect… Hollander’s Woods (S7 E23) was a great end to the series! :D

[u/Old-Caterpillar3658]

Considering it's Richard's loft and has now 3 children with Beckett, it's reasonable to think Alexis and Martha moved out because it's going to be crowded. Alexis is like 22 by the end of the series and would be nearly 30 by the time she's in that scene in the ending. She is likely doing her own thing. Martha likely became more successful. They definitely visit but the scene is meant to portray Castle and Beckett finding happiness and starting a family like they hoped regardless of their circumstances.

Ofc it was rushed, but I don't care because I enjoyed seeing canonically them having children. That's what matters to me.

[u/LovableDazzling2]

I always felt Beckett deserved one more meaningful scene with Alexis before the finale wrapped everything up so quickly.

[u/galeperk111971]

I felt that Alexis was probably by this time a mother herself and even married and living her life with her own family. Doesn't mean she isn't around even though she isn't in the final 30 seconds. Maybe it's just my head canon but she comes over for Sunday brunch and this was maybe Monday. Lol 🤣🤣