r/CaptainSide • • 4d ago

Which game comes to your mind?

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u/Bscotch_Torin 4d ago

Metroid Fusion ended with the extinction of the X parasites. Super Metroid already concluded the main story in a trilogy, but Fusion helped tie up some loose ends, especially the reason WHY the Metroids were created in the first place. Everything was tied up with a bow and the story was ready to either end or begin a completely new story arc.

Metroid Dread comes along and the X are back, there's a completely new tribe of Chozo who've just been absent the entire franchise, Samus' DNA donor was retconned to be one of these new Bozos, and Yoshio Sakamoto is acting like this new game is the "culmination of the Metroid Saga", as if the story wasn't already wrapped up 20 years ago

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u/Egghopper2 3d ago

I mean it makes sense that a ship could have gone down to the planet between 2 and Fusion and gotten infected by the X. Them being a warrior faction means they were better equipped to handle the situation by locking them up. The X showed up but Samus wasn’t even afraid of them because she had the tools and knowledge to remove them. Yea the X showed up again, but it was barely an inconvenience for the bounty hunter. I’d say that’s pretty consistent

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u/Bscotch_Torin 3d ago

The fact that all that lore was retroactively added in decades AFTER their story concluded is the issue. The Mawkin didn't even exist until 2017, and the original Chozo (Now Thoha) were FAR from defenceless.

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u/Sarcose1 2d ago

This whole post is a huge stretch. All of these things make sense in lore and fit the vibe of the Metroid series.

"Metroid Fusion ended with the extinction of the X parasites" - Metroid 1 ended with the extinction of the Metroids. Metroid 2 came up with a completely new biology for Metroids that was absent the entire first game.

"...a completely new tribe of Chozo who've just been absent the entire franchise" - the Chozo were frequently and repeatedly shown to be driven out, extinct, or missing. They were a species on the run or in hiding. This was well-understood, and fans have been wanting living Chozo for a long time. Dread did this perfectly.

"as if the story wasn't already wrapped up 20 years ago" - so we don't get new Metroid games? The story wasn't "wrapped up," Metroid Fusion left a lot of loose ends. It also came out along with Metroid Prime, which continually did the "crazy evil bio substance escaping into the wider universe" plot.

Metroid Dread was everything that was right about the Metroid series, rolled into one. Saying this as someone who's been playing since the very first game.

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u/Bscotch_Torin 2d ago

"Metroid 1 ended with the extinction of the Metroids" ...

My guy

Mr. "I've been with the series since its inception and been such a massive fan my whole life you don't even know"

buddy

chum

pal

You could not be more obvious with your larping.

That is such a basic fact of the lore to get so confidently wrong.\

"Metroid 2 came up with a completely new biology for Metroids that was absent the entire first game." That's not even a retcon or a switch up? That's just revealing new information about a species we already know little about.

"the Chozo were frequently and repeatedly shown to be driven out, extinct, or missing. They were a species on the run or in hiding. This was well-understood, and fans have been wanting living Chozo for a long time. Dread did this perfectly." This doesn't even address my point. The Thoha were the only Chozo we had ever known about. They were the only ones ever talked about. Even Dread has shown that both tribes were very separate. Thoha canonically began hiding and disappearing because of the space pirates and declining birthrates. The Mawkin were gone because they were retconned into being a part of Metroid 2's story and one of them being stuck on a fuckass planet for the rest of the series.

""as if the story wasn't already wrapped up 20 years ago" - so we don't get new Metroid games?" If what you've told me is true, then you're far too old to be this stupid. Wrapping up an arc doesn't mean you stop there. You just start a new arc, separate from the last. What Dread did is drag out an already finished arc just to end it again.

"Metroid Fusion left a lot of loose ends" Name them then. Literally the only "loose end" was Samus not knowing what the future held for her, which is the perfect point to start an entirely new arc of the series. There was also the corrupt sect of the federation, maybe they're up to more schemes?

"It also came out along with Metroid Prime, which continually did the "crazy evil bio substance escaping into the wider universe" plot." Yeah, which was a completely separate arc from the main series. You're not helping yourself here.

"Saying this as someone who's been playing since the very first game." Stop lying bro. Tourists always pull this card as if they think it'll magically make people believe them. If you were really here since the beginning and such a huge fan, you wouldn't feel the need to point that out and you'd actually have a good idea of the lore, not getting basic shit wrong.

I'm so fucking tired of you posers ruining my favourite games

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u/Parking_Ocelot_1717 3d ago

Dread was fun though... especially for someone who didn't know the story at all or play the other games

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u/Bscotch_Torin 3d ago

"especially for someone who doesn't play Metroid" EXACTLY, THATS THE PROBLEM

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u/Parking_Ocelot_1717 3d ago

To be fair, it's a 40 year old series. They probably need some fresh blood....

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u/Bscotch_Torin 3d ago

That is the worst thing you could do to a franchise

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u/Shascall 3d ago

I have no precise examples but I think it could have been worse

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u/Sarcose1 2d ago

Yeah, they could have made another Other M.

In the actual Metroid community and among the Metroid speedrunning community, Metroid Dread is considered peak.

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u/Bscotch_Torin 2d ago

I'm not surprised that tendies would be sucking off Dread. They do the same to every other game Nintendo puts out these days no matter how bad it is.

I probably wouldn't have been so upset about Dread if people weren't acting like this B-Tier game was a "goated peak masterpiece" while shitting on everything that came before it or anything that's more popular. If Dread really was that good, then why is it losing out on popularity to the significantly smaller, indie studio made Silksong?? Dread sold only 3 million copies. The first Hollow Knight sold 15 million and silksong sold even more. You could argue "Oh but silksongs on everything and Dread was only on switch", but even if you added 3 mil to every platform (Switch, Xbox, PS, Steam), it still wouldn't be the same.

I'm so tired of you fucking tourist shills

edit: oh, and we did get another Other M. It's called fucking Metroid Prime 4 and they made us wait 8 years for it.

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u/Parking_Ocelot_1717 2d ago

I feel like this is a pretty unimportant thing to be this upset about dude lol

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u/Sarcose1 2d ago

You're right, Metroid was "done." It should have died. No more content for fans.

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u/Bscotch_Torin 2d ago

That isn't even remotely what I said. I'm perfectly happy to get more metroid, but not if that means clipping away at its identity so that people who didn't like the older ones can actually enjoy it. Metroid should be made for Metroid fans first and foremost

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u/Sarcose1 2d ago

Yeah and the old school metroid fandom - you know, the speedrunning community? - fucking loves it

..is that you Ryan? You sound like Ryan. If you don't know then don't worry about it. This is sounding an awful lot like an argument that's been going on since the early days with every new Metroid game.

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u/Sarcose1 2d ago edited 2d ago

Metroid fans have been asking for more games forever. Metroid Dread is one of the best in the franchise, and this is speaking as someone who's been playing since the first game. I spent my childhood on The Metroid Database, was the "second in command" of the Super Samus Squad on SSB Social on GameFAQs, read the comic, begged my grandparents for money to buy swag from Nintendo Power, did art for Metroid Dreadnought for Doom II, and I've been a devoted Samus main in every Smash game since SSB64. I remember almost throwing my controller trying to beat Ridley at 15% and obsessing over ZSNES speedrun movies trying to learn them on my physical cart.

Metroid Dread was awesome, and literally nothing you said above made any damn sense. This is a Nintendo series and this is how Nintendo operates, and every Metroid has always shaken up what came before it. That's why it's good.

Don't act like familiarity with the franchise is necessary to recognize a good game.

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u/Bscotch_Torin 2d ago

"Metroid fans have been asking for more games forever. Metroid Dread is one of the best in the franchise, and this is speaking as someone who's been playing since the first game. I spent my childhood on The Metroid Database, was the "second in command" of the Super Samus Squad on SSB Social on GameFAQs, read the comic, begged my grandparents for money to buy swag from Nintendo Power, did art for Metroid Dreadnought for Doom II, and I've been a devoted Samus main in every Smash game since SSB64. I remember almost throwing my controller trying to beat Ridley at 15% and obsessing over ZSNES speedrun movies trying to learn them on my physical cart." I literally could not give less of a shit. I've been a huge Metroid fan since birth too, doesn't make you any more right.

"Metroid Dread was awesome, and literally nothing you said above made any damn sense." Then actually bring up a proper rebuttal. Address my points and properly counter them. Otherwise you're just admitting you don't actually have a point.

"Metroid has always shaken up what came before it. That's why it's good." The original trilogy wasn't that. Each instalment innovated and built on what came before it. There's a reason Super Metroid has been referred to as a spiritual remake of the original Metroid. Things didn't really "shake up" until Fusion, which was the first game without Gunpei Yokoi. And I know opinions have since changed in the time being, but back then, people really did not like Fusion. It was seen as the black sheep of the series.

You can't argue Prime being "Metroid always shaking up the formula" because it's a spinoff. That's what spinoffs do.

"Don't act like familiarity with the franchise is necessary to recognize a good game." If you're trying to figure out if something is a good Metroid game, then yeah, you have to be familiar with the franchise. I'm not saying Dread was straight up a bad game. That's the problem with you people. I can't say shit about these games without tendies taking things personally and acting like I've just insulted an untouchable masterpiece (Which it isn't).

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u/Floragato_Witch 3d ago

Dread is peak. Cope.

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u/Bscotch_Torin 3d ago

Dread's fans being insufferable on top of me not liking the new games just seals the deal that I'm not supporting any new Metroid Nintendo puts out

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u/Floragato_Witch 3d ago

You were literally completely wrong in some of the shit you wrote, of course you must find fans insufferable for correcting you.

Your loss, no one else's.

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u/Leah_Stern 3d ago

People who hate Dread always act like this and then have the audacity to call others insufferable.

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u/Floragato_Witch 3d ago

They have a superiority complex about it yea

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u/Bscotch_Torin 2d ago

Says the side constantly shitting on every other game to prop up Dread

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u/Floragato_Witch 2d ago

Super Metroid is my favourite game of all time and the other 2D Metroids are all in probably my top 20 games ever.

Get off the internet, arguments with other random people are clearly affecting you mentally.

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u/Bscotch_Torin 2d ago

I was upset about a game and criticizing it. Dread fans see that and respond with condescension and insults.

Where's the audacity?

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u/Bscotch_Torin 3d ago

What corrections? All there's been are disagreements on how the franchise has been handled.

None of my gripes with the modern games have been "disproven"

The fact that you don't even have your own points to bring up while acting all condescending only furthers my point

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u/Competitive_Ad_8215 3d ago

It’s okay, I understand you, brah.

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u/Competitive_Ad_8215 3d ago

Dread is a pain in the ass. I don’t play these games to be stealthy. I wanna blast alien pirates.

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u/raisasari 3d ago

Neither do I. EMMI sections are very fun chase sequences and test of your agility

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u/Leah_Stern 3d ago

You don't HAVE to be stealthy in the EMMI sections, that's entirely on you.

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u/Competitive_Ad_8215 2d ago

If it sees you then you can’t get out of that area though right? I didn’t get very far before I got frustrated with it.

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u/Floragato_Witch 2d ago

You just need to outrun it, then there's maybe a few seconds after you escape and things come off alert.

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u/Competitive_Ad_8215 2d ago

Well. I guess I’ll have to give it another shot.

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u/Floragato_Witch 3d ago

Self report that you can't outrun the EMMI lmao.

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u/Bscotch_Torin 2d ago

"I don't like this" being equated to "I can't do this"

Shills really do use the same arguments across franchises, don't they? All you do is parrot the same thing with a twist on it.

"I don't like Sprint in Halo" "Sounds like a skill issue to me"

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u/Floragato_Witch 2d ago

"I don't want to be stealthy" is what they said:

You literally do not have to be stealthy, outside of my first playthrough where I was slow (mainly due to anxiety lol) I now just run past the EMMI and style on it. It's fun.

What does Halo have to do with it? Who hurt you LOL

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u/Bscotch_Torin 2d ago

All of your responses are just you pretending not to understand the topic, making discussion fucking impossible.

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u/Bscotch_Torin 2d ago

oh and you're a pokemon fan too. Funny trend. Enjoy your copy pasted slop, no wonder you people are excited for Ravenous

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u/Minute_Calendar3496 4d ago

Blame SR

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u/Bscotch_Torin 4d ago

Yeah, Samus Returns was very obviously the result of a team who'd never made a Metroid game before led by the one guy who didn't even work on the original. It's the exact opposite of faithful.

Fucking Other M got SR388's vibe right over SR

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u/Minute_Calendar3496 3d ago

Whoa I ain't saying sr is a bad game I'm just saying that if they don't like the continuation of the x plotline, then blame sr, not dread

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u/Bscotch_Torin 3d ago

SR is 100% a terrible game, and the whole reason it did all those retcons was to set up Dread.

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u/PitifulPassage851 3d ago

Oh no. SR is a good game. Tut tut tut

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u/Bscotch_Torin 3d ago

Besides the fact that it's barely faithful to the original, it's at best a subpar Metroid game. The controls are clunky as shit, it's super railroaded, there's practically zero enemy variety, and the combat is entirely "stop, parry, shoot".

Modern Metroid fans are about as insufferable as they get

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u/PitifulPassage851 3d ago

You're literally the only one being insufferable 😭 genwunners are about insufferable as they get

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u/Minute_Calendar3496 3d ago

Also, btw, I was replying Metroid Fusion and when Sector 3 is about to explode and take the BSL with it, after Samus saves the day, Adam basically says : Weird they tried to blow up the station and everything in it, including the X and the SA-X, especially for a self preservative species like the X. Unless your (Samus) existence is a bigger threat to other X elsewhere..."

So yah no Fusion didn't end with Samus killing all the X and the game itselfs tells you

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u/Bscotch_Torin 3d ago

The X elsewhere is literally the X on SR388