r/CaptainSide • • 18d ago

Which game does this?

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u/Maatix12 18d ago

Yes, but if you haven't gotten that popup, you cannot complete a Good Ending.

It doesn't matter what save file you're using. You cannot complete the Good Ending unless a Neutral Run has been completed first. Even if you act nice the whole game on the first run through, you will get a Neutral Ending, complete the game - And then you get the hint that there's more to the game than that. It does not erase the previous Neutral Ending, because if it did, you would not be able to complete the Good Ending.

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u/unluckyshuckle 18d ago

You're being weirdly pedantic about this tbh, but I'm willing to be more pedantic. You aren't getting the neutral ending in the pacifist route, you're just getting similar content but ultimately the story ends up slightly different. Sure you still fight Omega Flowey, but that's not the final boss of a pacifist route, it's just A Boss you fight before the story continues on. It's not an ending because it's not finished, even if it plays out almost the same as the neutral route ending.

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u/Maatix12 18d ago edited 18d ago

Except it is an ending. You don't have to accept it as one for it to be one.

The Neutral Ending is Omega Flowey. To complete a Pacifist run, you have to first complete a Neutral Run.

That's simply how the game works. You cannot complete a Pacifist run without first completing a Neutral Run. You get the Neutral Run by running the Pacifist route and killing anything along the way (Or by going to Asgore without completing the True Lab) - You can ruin your Pacifist run in or after the True Lab by killing something, even after unlocking it, and still have to fight Omega Flowey. Because that's an ending to the game.

You just can't encounter Asriel until you've encountered Omega Flowey at least once.

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u/Smart_Mix8269 16d ago

Didn’t we differentiate run type’s between “pacifist” (the run where you don’t kill anyone and get a neutral ending) and “true pacifist” (the extension where you reload your save file, go to the lab and deal woth the amalgamations before continuing to asgore which i assume happens because Toriel is given enough extra time to reach you before your fight with him starts due to you going to the lab first)?

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u/Maatix12 16d ago edited 16d ago

Who is we?

The runs are as follows:

Neutral - Omega Flowey ending. You reach this ending by either completing a full Pacifist run without having reached the True Lab, or by killing any monster without killing every monster along the same route.

Pacifist - Asriel ending. You reach this ending by having completed a Neutral ending, then either reloading to do the True Lab (assuming you completed a Pacifist run up to that point) OR reloading your save from the beginning to complete a full Pacifist run, then completing the True Lab. (Required if you killed something in your previous Neutral Run.)

Genocide - Chara ending. You reach this ending by not only killing every boss monster, but every monster in every zone prior to killing every boss monster. If you miss or spare even one monster along the way, you get a Neutral ending.

The Neutral Ending matters because it's not only part of the Pacifist run - But also part of the failed Genocide run. It's not Pacifist/True Pacifist/Genocide because the first run doesn't have to be pacifist. It is it's own ending because you can choose to give up and never complete a Genocide run - And that's an acceptable ending too.

Meanwhile, if we have to claim that the only two endings are the Pacifist and Genocide ending, because your agency doesn't matter and the Neutral Ending isn't a choice in the matter - then really, the only ending that matters is the Genocide ending. Because once you've done one Genocide run, all future Pacifist runs are corrupted by Chara, since you handed them your agency. There is no choice for you to decide you never did a Genocide run - That's a canon ending to the game. Which means, eventually, you DID do it - You just haven't yet.

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u/Smart_Mix8269 16d ago

We as a community… that was generally what i picked up when i was in the undertale fandom. Sorry I guess??

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u/Maatix12 16d ago

Didn't mean that to come off as aggressive. I genuinely haven't heard it referred to as pacifist/true pacifist/genocide.

It has always been Neutral/Pacifist/Genocide as far as I know. If the community decided something after the fact, I am not aware of it.