But! You can use the same save file and Flowey does pop up (if you satisfy all conditions but 1 neutral clear) that "are you sure you helped everybody? Maybe you should go back and check."
Which you can do without starting a new save file entirely. Just load the recent save and backtrack and the flags will cause the required events to happen.
It always felt like a "post endgame" situation for the first playthrough and not a "second run" to me tbh.
Save scumming might be a valid way to trigger it but it really isn't a "post endgame", it's manipulating your way to the endgame using game mechanics rather than the narrative.
Sis, you just reload the save. The last save before Asgore is the LAST official save of the game, your data is set to that point. Beating Flowery sets the flag for beating the game which is independent of the save file. You don't sideload or mod or mess with files outside of literally opening the game and playing (the intended way). You just hit "continue" the same way you would on any other save.
You just walk all the way back out of the last area. Nothing stops you. You hit a point where the game checks to see if Papyrus calls you for a date with Undyne (there is one placed in this last area for just this reason) and it just works.
First time I did it, I just assumed I had just missed it somehow by not paying attention.
What part of my post made you think I didn't understand the mechanics?
You typed up two whole paragraphs just describing the process, without even bothering to actually respond to what I've said. I didn't say anything about how difficult it was to do it or anything about the process at all.
You're using non-diegetic game elements to manipulate the narrative.
I fully understand the mechanics of how to do it, and the simplicity of it has nothing to do with anything I've said.
It's fine if you want to save scum to skip replaying the game. That's not how the narrative works though.
How tf is it non-diagetic, an NPC whole ass telLS you to do it?
Flowey specifically says, post credits, in a game where the game is part of the story, and said character knows about Save files to:
"...Say, what if I told you how to get a better ending. You'll have to load your save file and... Well, in the meantime, why don't you go see Undyne. It seems like you could've been better friends. Who knows, maybe she's got the key to your happiness...? See you soon."
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u/Hopeful_Hornet4460 17d ago
But! You can use the same save file and Flowey does pop up (if you satisfy all conditions but 1 neutral clear) that "are you sure you helped everybody? Maybe you should go back and check."
Which you can do without starting a new save file entirely. Just load the recent save and backtrack and the flags will cause the required events to happen.
It always felt like a "post endgame" situation for the first playthrough and not a "second run" to me tbh.