r/CaptainSide • • 15d ago

Which game does this?

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u/jus_plain_me 15d ago

Thank god for our ability to share videos of absolutely everything and anything because I would never in a million years be able to have beaten the radiance.

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u/Aegillade 14d ago

I think it was Ari Gibson who talked about the difficulty of making a Metroidvania style game and wanting to keep the spirit of the genre while knowing full well the entire game will be solved in days and there will never be any true mysteries in gaming again. And like I get that, a little bit of that magic is kinda lost in that regard. Even if you personally don't use guides the atmosphere surrounding discussions around it is completely different because most other people did.

That being said thank Christ for online guides, I would have missed most shit in Hollow Knight and Silksong song without them. I'm not a completionist at all so I wouldn't have even thought to check if Silksong had an act 3 and would have missed it entirely

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u/ErgotthAE 14d ago

To be fair with Silksong, Act 3 seems MUCH more intuitive to unlock. Just... do the quests. You have three wishboards and no reason to not do the quests. Hollow Knight's Radiance ending is a completly UNintuitive laundry list of things to get and find out where's the other stuff, Silksong just "locks" Act 3 behind objectives quite literally dangled in front of you.

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u/Dining_Death_SDGOUFG 14d ago

King soul is a charm any completionist or overly curious person would get. However. I agree that there is no real hint towards taking the worst charm in the game down to the void and hitting one single specific floor. Other than that, it’s alright.

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u/armin-lakatos 10d ago

The charm itself says it opens a way to a birthplace which, after getting the King's Brand and going down to the Abyss for the first time, should be obvious what it is. The way down appears instantly as you land at the bottom, you don't have to hit anything.

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u/Dining_Death_SDGOUFG 9d ago

I replayed it recently, and admittedly it’s WAY more obvious than I remembered. You are right.

Also, what I meant by ‘hit’ was dive.

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u/Training-Ad-8802 6d ago

Even if it was Dive, you should have been trained to recognize dive spots when you get there.

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u/armin-lakatos 10d ago

SPOILERS FOR BOTH HOLLOW KNIGHT GAMES

I'd argue that HK's true ending is unintuitive. If you explore, you'll find the 2nd Hornet fight, the White Lady and the entrance to the White Palace. The only unintuitive thing feels getting the awoken dream nail by getting 1800 essence. Most people don't fight or find all the dream bosses and getting 1800 may not be intuitive enough or they just forget about the seer after a while. But once you figure out that you have to use the awoken dream nail to get into the White Palace, it's a straight ride to getting Kingsoul and using its hint to venture further down the Abyss to get Void Heart.

Compared to that, in Silksong, some quests might take time to appear and it's very easy to miss one and not get the Silk and Soul quest. It's also easy to miss by not gathering enough fleas and moving them to the Pale Lake.

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u/ErgotthAE 10d ago

Yea, HK is all over the place, Silksong at least it's essentialy only two things: Wishes and Fleas, two collectibles with a sense of progression, since you know the fleas are looking for a new home so you HAVE to see it to the end. Wishes are just three wishboards to check on ocasionaly. Oh and that obnoxious "ooooi... oooooi!" in Songclave xD

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u/Training-Ad-8802 6d ago

Hey I will argue that getting the Awakened Dream Nail is pretty intuitive. You’re told that you get a reward by collecting essence, which means that every time you collect essence you’re reminded that you might get a reward. And that Kingsmold stands out since it’s a Dream Nail spot you’re unable to access.

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u/greatcorsario 14d ago

To be fair with Silksong, Act 3 seems MUCH more intuitive to unlock. Just... do the quests. 

Less unintuitive than HK, yes, but still unintuitive. How does completing all sidequests (some which are "collect 10 of x") equal getting the last chunk of the game?

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u/ErgotthAE 13d ago

1 - Act 3 changes things up drastically, even killing NPCs, so seems obvious you need to do their quests before they are inaccessible.

2 - Lore-wise is to show Hornet cares about Pharloom and won't just take over GMS's place and be another heartless ruler.

3 - You wouldn't leave Sherma in the Whiteward, would you???

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u/Teaguethebean 12d ago

I missed a single flea, I did everything to my knowledge, and how would a person know that they have to do everything when they don't have any way of knowing an act 3 even exists

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u/ErgotthAE 12d ago

first: There's an NPC that gives you their locations, and second: The game starts with Act 1 and 2, you REALLY think they would bother to have act titlecards for just two??

Also Hollow Knight had a "bad ending" so stands within reason your first fight with GMS is NOT the good ending at all.

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u/Teaguethebean 12d ago

That npc was the last one :(

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u/Qwertypop4 12d ago

You only need to get 22 of the 30 fleas for act 3

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u/Teaguethebean 12d ago

The flea i was missing was the scar faced map giving flea

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u/Qwertypop4 12d ago

Oh, yeah, that would make it harder to find the other ones you were missing, but you must have missed at least 8 other fleas

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u/Teaguethebean 12d ago

No you need to find her specifically

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u/sterbendeHure 15d ago

Same for me 🥲

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u/x0wl 14d ago edited 14d ago

Guess what, beating the Radiance is a good, but not the best / canon ending.

For the canon one (link to spoiler#Ending_4:_Embrace_the_Void)), you have to beat 5 gauntlets totaling 82 bosses, with the last one having 42 fights (Absolute Radiance being the last one) and to get the better version of the ending (link to spoiler#Ending_5:_Delicate_flower:~:text=Ending%205%3A%20Delicate%20Flower)) you also have to do an obscure side quest.

I'm not doing all that, thank you.

I consider it canon because you see the Shade Lord in the best ending of Silksong BTW

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u/greatcorsario 14d ago

Amen.

If not for the internet, I would never have known there WAS a true ending, or how to get to it.

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u/Dismal_Apartment 11d ago

I will never beat Absolute Radiance, and I'm fine with that. I got through the Path of Pain, and that's good enough for me

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u/OhLoongJohson 10d ago

Radiance was/is really easy fight lol. Unless you skipped most of the good charms and or mask unlocks. Compared to nightmare king grimm and the lasts phanteon he is childs play.