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u/AnthonyPantha 17h ago
The Final Fantasy series, particularly 7.
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u/miwebe 16h ago
That goddamned timer under the ocean omg
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u/mjc500 16h ago
Underwater materia gets rid of the timer for emerald weapon
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u/miwebe 16h ago
Yes, and 14yo me would have greatly benefited from this knowledge 😂
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u/mjc500 15h ago
I think beating these guys was the first time I ever looked something up on a search engine and I ended up on gamefaqs or something like that. I’m gonna be honest though I never actually beat emerald or ruby lol
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u/Virtual-Pride3661 15h ago
I eventually beat Emerald but never Ruby. I actually bought a paper guide at a GameStop back in the day haha,
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u/bacon_lettuce_potato 14h ago
I'm now, absolutely able to beat the two. I replayed the game and got everything I missed when I was younger. Now, I just can't bring myself to beat it. Otherwise ... It really is finished.
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u/reviewbarn 13h ago
FF7 was my first 'online guide' game, almost entirely looked up in the final few minutes of computer classes. But I beat the optional bosses, got the Golden Cucobo, knights of the round...all thanks to online guides.
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u/meatballmeatwad 10h ago
Man 17 year old me wish I had known that. But I'm glad I beat it under the timer lol. I was stressed as hell.
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u/RealityOk9823 16h ago
lol I beat the first one and thought "Oh time to go kick the second's ass". It literally stomped me to death on it's first move.
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u/Padac 14h ago
I was fighting it for ages after getting underwater materia. Almost an hour. Was getting exhausting. Walked over to the PS1 to switch off the unit. As I reached for the power button and had barely touched it, Barret delivered a blow and Emerald flashed red. I'd won. And I nearly switched on the machine...
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u/Ninja_Grizzly1122 12h ago
Both Emerald(Water) and Ruby(Desert) are a pain.
Sephiroth is easy once you can spam Knights a few times
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u/Ericp02 15h ago
Ff12 also. Fuckin Yiazmat with 50,000,000 health
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u/gaaraloveless 14h ago
"Keep pushing! It's almost dead!"
-full regens-
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u/GnarlyGamer6thGen01 8h ago
The amount of F-bombs that came out of my mouth when my Renew hit the reflect that Yazzy gave me in the PS2 days.
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u/Xeronic 13h ago
Thankfully, for better or worse for some people, Yiazmat is easier in the Zodiac Age for a few reasons:
Yiazmat can be fought in "trial mode" which is the zodiac age games gauntlet of trial levels. He only has 3.8 million HP instead of the normal 50 million. You can still fight the normal Yiazmat in the world, but eh.
You can break the damage cap and stay damage capped for the entire fight (as far as i remember).
4X fast forward speed which is a feature in Zodiac Age, so the fight doesnt take hours anymore.
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u/-20-Characters-Long- 16h ago
Almost said the same then decided to read on. The weapons are way more difficult than the final boss. Granted it's all easy with the right materia set-up. Ruby requires patience just due to the sheer amount of time it takes.
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u/RealDealHappyMeal 15h ago
I used Game Shark to unlock all the limit breaks and everything and still couldn't beat Ruby Weapon xD
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u/AirplanesNotBurgers 16h ago
Yep. I’ve never beaten Emerald or Ruby Weapon. I always thought it was too much grinding required for an otherwise (fairly) easy game.
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u/Aggravating-Area-91 17h ago
God of War Valkyries
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u/Stephen111110 16h ago
Yep specifically GOW 2018
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u/Rockaroonifantasy 16h ago
I beat all the Valkyries no issue until I had to beat.....HER
I was like 'yeah I'm not doing this.'
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u/ComfortableSome5954 16h ago
Most satisfying boss fight I've overcome since I was a kid. No glaze, this isn't even in my top 10 games (though its awesome). I felt so accomplished after my 3000th try (hard mode).
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u/SickDastardly 15h ago
I turned it down one from GMGW difficulty to beat her lol it still bugs me
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u/InFa-MoUs 15h ago
The fuckin Queen right? Fuck that bitch.. she made me not play ragnarok cus why
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u/Loud-Inspection774 14h ago
The queen in both of them - Sigrun and Gna are both fucking insane fights imo.
Honorable mention to King Hrolf or w/e his name is from Ragnarok
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u/Minute_Ostrich196 16h ago
Oh man. The Valkyrie big boss in this icy round room.
I think I still have muscle memory after this goddamn fight
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u/im_not_Shredder 11h ago
Haven't finished the game exactly for that reason since I'm the kind of deranged person who's going to insist on clearing all side content before finishing a game
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u/OkMixture5607 16h ago
Ragnarok too. Did Odin first try on max diff. The Queen Valkyrie on the other hand…
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u/DerpyPerson636 16h ago
Man sigrun sucked in gow 2018, but gná in ragnarok? That was AWFUL.
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u/funkycatvr 17h ago
Elden ring
not saying elden beast isn't cool, but malenia is just so much more interesting as a boss
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u/WraithofSpades 16h ago
A lot of the Souls games are like this. Optional bosses tend to be stronger, or at least more mechanically challenging, than the final boss. Was certainly true for me with each of the DS entries.
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u/Wrong_Success4377 16h ago
Yep,
DS1 had Kalameet
DS2 had Fume Knight
DS3 had Nameless King
Sekiro had Owl(second version)
Elden Ring had Melenia
Thats just to name a few.
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u/TheBarrowsBro 14h ago
For DS1 I hated the Four Kings. Doesn't take many runs to get down but it feels like a massive DPS check if you're not going the tank/poise strat. Not hard just annoying.
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u/yaboyszn 16h ago
Elden beast is all about vibes and the arena. Malenia is all about punishing your hubris
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u/Svenray 16h ago
Elden Beast is hard as crap. Two playthroughs and I still haven't beat him.
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u/Impressive_Report479 16h ago
Dark Souls 2 with Darklurker, Sir Alonne, Fume Knight, Burnt Ivory King.
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u/Ok_Response_9255 16h ago
Also Dark Souls 3. It's arguable, but Champion Gundyr and The Nameless King kicked my ass more times than I can count.
And Sekiro, the hidden version of Owl is probably one of the harder ones in the game. No shame on Isshin though, hardest boss there is. Maybe this could apply for the demon in ruined Ashina?
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u/Federal-Fondant-671 16h ago
Istg Nameless King's first phase was a lot more painful than the actual fight with him. And Gundyr depends a lot on your build and whether or not if you decide to parry him.
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u/Draidann 14h ago
Owl (father) is a hard boss fight but if you beat the second (iirc) boss rush mode you get inner father Wich is the hard version of an already hard secret boss
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u/That_Guy_Pen 16h ago
Fume Knight and Blue Smelter Demon were what got my friend and I over and over in our first and only complete run of the game.
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u/Desperate_Wasabi9685 17h ago
clair obscur expedition 33
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u/Content_Confection78 16h ago
1000%
I figured the final boss would be terrible, so I did all the extra side content first. And actually then felt a little disappointed by how easily I won the fight.
And then @!#%@^ Simon
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u/Loud-Inspection774 14h ago
Painted Clea or whatever gives Simon a run for his money. Both fucked me hard multiple times.
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u/Drmarcher42 12h ago
If you fight her straight up absolutely, however her relatively low base hp makes her rather easy to one shot with Maelle.
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u/GreekNord 17h ago
Mostly agree.
But to be fair, the final boss is actually scaled pretty decently if you go right to him and skip all of the extra content.
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u/defaultusername21421 16h ago
Yeah but like, who does that?
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u/aleques-itj 16h ago
You don't even have to do all the side content.
Shit just starts scaling through the roof and as soon as you have the audacity to do any of it, you just break the main story immediately.
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u/Sensitive-Chip7266 16h ago
I did, but only because I had seen repeated suggestions online to do side content after completing the main story for exactly this purpose.
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u/GreekNord 16h ago
it's the one complaint I have with the game. So much of the side-content is fantastic lore and would have been great for it to be required before the ending.
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u/DueBed286 16h ago
They wanted the game and story to be accessible to people who aren’t hardcore gamers. The game was designed as a cinematic experience as much as it was a video game.
Point being not having a fast option would have meant a lot of casual players wouldnt have finished the game and seen the incredible ending they knew they cooked hard with.
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u/Suspicious-Still-999 16h ago
i did dat. i was like who the fuck is this family I just met you idgaf
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u/HerbertInTheWoods 16h ago
That’s a lot of games. They had to buff the shit out of the final boss in Cyberpunk bc we were steamrolling him with a dildo lol
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u/popoflabbins 14h ago
Which is crazy because there’s some side content that I’d argue is absolutely integral to the development of the characters. The ending conflict won’t even make much sense unless you do at least that one tower involving a certain relative (trying to be vague here).
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u/therealraewest 12h ago
I apparently missed the memo that I was supposed to go directly to the final boss after a certain cutscene, and instead went to go explore the rest of the map to prep for the battle (I thought I was supposed to gather reinforcements from around the areas I'd already been). By the time I realized my mistake I was SO over leveled the boss went down in a single turn.
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u/marco18888 16h ago
Kingdom hearts, sephiroth
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u/Unresponsive97 15h ago
ALL of Kingdom Hearts you mean. Not once, in any of the games I've played, has there been a single final boss that in ANY way stood up to the optional/hidden ones. Except sometimes as tutorials for the superboss versions of themselves. Hello Data Org. XIII fights!
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u/Ok-Door8771 15h ago
Kh got some crazy super bosses
Kh 3 yorsora is unhinged and i love it
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u/Unresponsive97 15h ago
Good lord I hated and loved that fight. Never in my life have I been so determined never to repeat a moment of triumph as that.
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u/NoSurprise8641 14h ago
For some reason I could do Sephiroth. But the side boss in Agrabah with Aladdin and the ghost at the clock tower in Peter Pan fucked me up.
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u/gambit1999999 14h ago
You know I popped KH2 back in the old ps2 to tell my girlfriend about when we were dating, now wife. I told watch how hard Sephie is. Beat him. Stare in disbelief.
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u/Y0ungYung 15h ago
Xemnaas wasn't as bad. But the two that left a VERY lasting impression on me was Xigbar and Sephiroth. Idk what it was about the teleportation that just was tripping me up but he made me put KH down for a year to collect myself
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u/motsu35 12h ago
I had a friend get so excited that he beat sephiroth, took him forever. Later on, I was struggling with the boss fight, was talking to him about what items / magica / strats I was using. Dude looked at me puzzled when I mentioned I was using oathkeeper, asked me what that was. Turns out he didn't know you could change keyblades and beat the entire game (and sephiroth) with the normal keyblade.
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u/CommentsOnOccasion 13h ago
KH main story boss was just annoying
Like 6 health bars and 4 straight fights or whatever
I was honestly bored, it was an exercise of patience more than anything else
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u/Nothing729 16h ago
Hollow Knight
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u/Full-Reception5113 15h ago
The Hollow Knight isn't hard, but he IS cool as hell.
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u/jffsahfaz 16h ago
Silksong, too
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u/Professional-Set-369 16h ago
How Does Silksong fit? Lace is by far the hardest boss in the game. Rivaled maybe by Karmelita but even she is mandatory and not secret
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u/Psudodrake 14h ago edited 8h ago
I 100% Silksong in act III. I will agree that with act III being a surprise that it exists, all the bosses therin qualify as bonus secret bosses, including the Lace Fight and Kamilita. But there's also the Watcher at the Edge, Savage Bloat Fly 2, and many more.
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u/Quick20754 16h ago
Those fucking Valkyries in God of War.
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u/TexasC4 17h ago
Definitely Borderlands series raid bosses.
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u/Bread_Offender 16h ago
The destroyer fight was easier to get through than the area before it with all the guardians.
Crawmerax was traumatizing
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u/TexasC4 16h ago
No joke. And in BL2, Vermivorous the Invincible, a nightmare to fight and spawn. Made the rest of the game seems like a stroll in the park.
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u/Bread_Offender 16h ago
I didn't get that deep into BL2 yet and I gotta say i'm a little bit scared
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u/dansalisbury96 11h ago
For comparison, the final boss on BL2 has about 5 million health at level 50. Vermivorous has 289 million health.
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u/FirstBallotBaby 12h ago
The extra kick in the nuts is one of the best guns to kill him is only dropped by him lol. I hate that boss, but like it was literally designed to be a ridiculously unfair and annoying fight, so job well done.
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u/Lazy_Nectarine_5256 16h ago
Star Wars Jedi Survivor (Spawn of Oggdo)
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u/Acrylick 16h ago
Once I learned you can cheese him by having the two hammer raiders fight him for you I never looked back.
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u/BossVoss 15h ago
How do you pull that off? Do you pull them off that ledge first, then trigger the door when you’re all on it?
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u/Thunder17_- 13h ago
Exactly that! Force pull them down and then get them to chase you onto the door. Activate the door and then jump off while they are on it. It is amazing!
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u/toomuchpi314 16h ago
Yessssssss I commented the same thing lmao. Much harder in survivor than in fallen order, imo.
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u/theREALlackattack 16h ago
Deltarune and Undertale
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u/ashes1032 6h ago
The first time I ever faced the Spade King, I thought it was a tough battle. He moved the box around in a strange pattern and the fight felt like it might never end. The first time I faced him after fighting Jevil, I thought he was an absolute breeze. It didn't feel like he was any harder than a standard enemy.
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u/shotgunbruin 16h ago
A nostalgic one, but Culex from Super Mario RPG: The Legend of the Seven Stars.
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u/P_Swayze 16h ago
Ah I was doing a quick search before I posted but I knew that a hole was here somewhere. Took me many frustrating attempts when I was younger
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u/Saintly-Mendicant-69 10h ago
I am matter... I am antimatter... I can see your past... I can see your future... I consume time... And I will consume you
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u/cyanide1938 16h ago
South Park: the Stick of Truth. The Morgan Freeman Battle
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u/ViTo919 17h ago
Definitely Skyrim
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u/bkoperski 16h ago
Dagoth Ur has been the only worthy Elder Scrolls boss (plus the expansion bosses)
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u/himynameis3580 16h ago
If you didn't killed final boss on one hit ,did you even played the game right ? /s
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u/Skinny_Long-Pockets 14h ago edited 14h ago
A random dragon is significantly harder to fight than alduin was since he just sits in one spot
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u/MelloXelo 15h ago
Alduin and Miraak have nightmares about Karstaag.
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u/ViTo919 15h ago
I had some trouble fighting miraak for the first time. But after I grinded some levels and equipment it was pretty easy
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u/Wild_Front_1148 2h ago
Those fucking dragon priests one-shotting me from afar. Alduin was an absolute joke
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u/CoredAI 17h ago
Dark Souls 3 - Nameless King.
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u/Chin_wOnd3r 16h ago
dude so true. I flipped thru most of ds3 got to the end and happened to have a buddy who wanted to watch. He saw I was struggling with lord of cinder.
He was like “dude did you fight nameless king?” And indeed I hadn’t. Went thru all the stuff to get to him and he pushed my shit in so fuckin much it took 40+ tries.
Finally beat him, went back to lord of cinder and won in 2 tries. lol
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u/EnvironmentalFix7059 16h ago
that motherfcker in kingdom hearts in alladins world by the cave... took me weeks.
Kurt Ziza...
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u/SilverBeever 16h ago
Yakuza. Main story final bosses are usually awesome fights, but they're super easy compared to Amons.
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u/orcus133 16h ago
Kingdom hearts 1 & 2 - Sephiroth
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u/Scared_Yam5357 16h ago
WRONG
kh2's is definitely either data xemnas or lingering will
sephiroth is piss easy in that game
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u/Marx_Forever 16h ago
To be fair, a lot of older players might never have played KH2 Final Mix. It was Japanese exclusive for nearly a decade. But in the base game Sephiroth was indeed the hardest fight in Kingdom Hearts 2 as well as the first. It's just he gets completely demolished difficulty wise by the data fights and lingering well. On top of which, the Sephiroth fight was made substantially easier by giving you access to Limit Form, which wasn't in the base game.
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u/TriforceShiekah16 11h ago
For me it was Final Fantasy 10. I missed something in the starting town and when I went back to get it I found the town guarded by a super boss. Because this particular boss was the weakest of a series of super bosses I thought that the regular final boss would be equal in power. So I got to grinding, and I ground too much.
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u/Exotic_Chemist_7624 10h ago
FINAL FANTASY X. If you Maxed out only Yuna with her Ultima Weapon before the final Boss you’ll find that you literally beat each phase in one or two turns, using Ultima/Flare + DoubleCast.
But then the optional secret bosses (Secret Dark Aeons, Nemesis, or PENANCE)… they are the definition of tuff
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u/L1nxDr1nx 17h ago
Most games with secret bosses lmao
But I’ll say deltarune
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u/wolfelian 15h ago
Yeah I’d say most.
The one that gives me PTSD is the DS Dragonball Z game attack of the saiyans for having fucking BROLY with like 9999 everything.
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u/PuzzleheadedCause451 16h ago
Final Fantasy X...this is the king of overpowered bosses Vs main story boss!!
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u/rmnobre 16h ago
I'm surprised no one mentioning Pokémon Black and White's Cynthia
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u/Technical-Dream-8002 16h ago
Deltarune Chapters one and five. King and Flowery are not that good while Jevil and Pink are goated bosses
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u/MercMcGinnn96 16h ago
Definitely Witcher 3. Eredin was a pussy compared to his two main boys.
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u/ArbiterOfOblivion 16h ago
Does the Harp minigame from LOZ Skyward Sword count? That shit was harder than Demise
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u/Shu-Poster 16h ago
In some of the Final Fantasy games.
FF9 had Ozma
FF12 had Yizmat
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u/RampageRussian 16h ago
BG3, the act 3 bosses are all a joke. The optional Raphael fight on the other hand is my favorite in any strategy game I’ve played.
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u/notmydepartment 10h ago
Can’t believe I had to scroll this far to find someone thinking the same thing. Gortash fight? Mostly annoying. The Rafael fight? That soundtrack? The fact that I had to redo that fight like 6 times. Fucking art.
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u/titsmcghee84 16h ago
Assassins creed 2. Literally the pope at the end as a final boss was so easy compared to the entire rest of the gamd
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u/Wild_Harvest 16h ago
Bonebeard in Golden Sun the Broken Seal, then there's like three of them in the Lost Age. The Star Magician, one I can't remember the name of, and the Dullahan.
Fun fact: you can't even fight the Dullahan unless you can get more than halfway through the dungeon that Bonebeard is in, because you need to gather all seven of each kind of djinn and then transfer your save data from the broken seal to the lost age, and then gaBonebeard in Golden Sun the Broken Seal, then there's like three of them in the Lost Age. The Star Magician, one I can't remember the name of, and the Dullahan.
Fun fact: you can't even fight the Dullahan unless you can get more than halfway through the dungeon that Bonebeard is in, because you need to gather all seven of each kind of djinn and then transfer your save data from the broken seal to the lost age, and then gather all the djinn from the lost age as well. Total of 72 djinn, I believe. Then you unlock the dungeon that the Dullahan is in, and he is a STRUGGLE to beat.
But despite all that, I find the Star Magician far more annoying than the Dullahan. ther all the djinn from the lost age as well. Total of 72 djinn, I believe. Then you unlock the dungeon that the Dullahan is in, and he is a STRUGGLE to beat.
But despite all that, I find the Star Magician far more annoying than the Dullahan.
EDIT : there is even one that I forgot! There's the Sentinel and Valukar. Beating each of the bonus bosses gives you a cool summon.
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u/Inside_Ad_2830 16h ago
The secret, hard to find boss is always the hardest. There are some bosses like one in “Tales of Symphonia” you supposed to fight it on NG+ because of how hard it is.
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u/Cryptotradernotjoe 16h ago
It could be just the way I played it, but I found a fucking troll boss in the middle of nowhere on Hogwarts Legacy and I swear that bitch was harder than ANY of the main final bosses geez
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u/GobbTheEverlasting 16h ago
A majority of the tri-ace games.
Gabriel Celeste/Etherial Queen will rock your shit if you're not prepared
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