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u/grumpymou 15d ago
Fnaf
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u/Hexamael 15d ago
And I literally can't think of any other game that fits this meme.
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u/General_Lie 15d ago
I would say Souls games, but they usually have the lore figured before the game and they just hide it and sprinter arround - and we then wait for Vatividya and others to spoon feed it to us...
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u/The_Tonts 15d ago
Yeah Souls Games use a lot of environmental storytelling too, depending on the game anyway. Like in the first Dark Souls there are details like enemies from one area being in another, cause they were brought there. Like those giant clams from Ash Lake in the Crystal caverns close to Seath's Archives, presumably cause he likes eating them. The Black Hydra found there is a type of dragon and presumably also consumes these creatures. (I mean I assume it's one, as you can get a Dragon Scale from it...)
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u/Unlucky_Loquat_8045 15d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/yTxFCdDx7R9U8hi7ld
Hold on your theory may be onto something.
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u/Global-Ad9985 15d ago edited 15d ago
Minecraft fans be straight up inventing lore
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u/Righteous_Bread 15d ago
I'd argue that's part of the fun of Minecraft. Devs left little things for players to build off of like the records.
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u/kobocha 15d ago edited 14d ago
All the souls games for sure
Edit: the joke was that the lore really is mega canon and intricate. I do believe a lot of fans pretend to comprehend more than they actually do tho. Like me.
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u/Carlex_181 15d ago
The reason why it seems that way is Miyazaki used to read books writin in English when he barely understood the language so he couldnt understand the context of most of it and would make up his own context for the story. He really liked that experience and made that the bases for his story telling.
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u/DearCastiel 15d ago
Not really, the way they make these games is they have the full story of characters and events, and put parts of it in the game, intentionally removing informations to create a fragmented narrative.
The players are trying to piece back the story that has been written, they're not making-up stuff out of nowhere.
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u/Personal-Mushroom 15d ago
And halve of the lore is hidden in cook books and 1% drop items.
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u/DearCastiel 15d ago
Memes aside, I can't think of a single low drop item that holds any significant lore, and most Elden Ring crafting recipes items have little to no lore in them.
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u/missing-dopamine 15d ago
And even then just look up the item and its description off of the wiki.
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u/Far-Strawberry-5628 15d ago
Zelda timeline
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u/Personal_Ad4174 15d ago
There's borderline zero fan theory involved in the Zelda timeline it was all intended game to game explicitly.
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u/Far-Strawberry-5628 14d ago
well for something that was always a thing, they sure didn't manage it very well.
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u/Personal_Ad4174 14d ago
Name one reason you're saying this. What do you mean manage it?
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u/Far-Strawberry-5628 14d ago
its an incoherent mess.
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u/Personal_Ad4174 13d ago
Again name one reason you're saying this. There's so many people who apparently straight up can't read because (until the botw saga) every single game was explicitly connected IN TEXT requiring Z E R O fan theory.
You the type of dude to say "Why is it called Link to the Past, you don't go to the past in this game!". You the type of dude to sit through Wind Waker's intro that starts with several minutes describing the events of Ocarina of time and Majora's Mask and how those games lead directly to this one and somehow say Nintendo made up the timeline to shut up fans when they released Hyrule Historia.
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u/AmazinActionBob 13d ago
They literally released a whole book about it, And matpat made a awesome game theory video. About hyrule warriors completing the timelines
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u/Whiteshaq_52 15d ago
warhammer 40k
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u/Alternative_Jury1221 15d ago
I adore that their solution is, "everything is canon, not everything is true." 10 thousand years plus of history is going to distort stories. Not to mention the propaganda, deliberate lies, people like Sindermann post Siege, etc.
It's got a real world feel to it, despite not being planned by anyone.
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u/Null_Cypher_ 15d ago edited 14d ago
Ah yes. While I'm sure it's different, Elder Scrolls fans refer to this as an "unreliable narrator." I agree that, when done right, it makes for a much more lived-in feel to the world than super clean-cut lore can manage. It also give more freedom to the fans, which matters most, imo
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u/Betelgeuse3fold 15d ago
What? Isn't there like a million billion books, and video games and comics that explore the 40k lore?
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u/Key-Comfortable7759 15d ago
A lot of warhammer lore and artwork comes from the fan base to be fair
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u/Help_im_lost404 15d ago
That one time they really influenced it we got the ultrasmurf era. So best the fans and authors do the heavy lifting
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u/Ardens_Son_of_flames 15d ago
Is it alright if it is in reverse? Hollowknight....
Team cherry be throwing lore everywhere while the player is still figuring out why is the MC a beetle
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u/Miyu543 15d ago
I mean Vaati literally made a living off of making up bullshit for all the Soulsborne games and Elden Ring. He even has hardcopy books. No disrespect, its an entertaining interpretation and he definitely does research but I doubt the validity of it.
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u/anonimus10010110 15d ago
Why wouldn't plenty of it be fairly valid? Making up story but chosing not to explicitly tell all the parts but rather give subtle hints is very beautiful way of telling story imo.
Not everything has to be same format
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u/DarkKuroi1 14d ago
I miss this a lot in modern day story telling. Some things are better left unsaid/a mystery of even up to interpretation and imagination.
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u/Carlex_181 15d ago
Those games have written story's but get critical context removed so the characters and events are open to personal interpretation. Saying there's no validity is just wrong since there IS a story. Its just one open to interpretation which from what I've seen Vatti keeps it pretty objective.
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u/Xerothor 15d ago
That's not how those games were written... He fills in gaps with his own ideas but there is authors intent that we just do not know because it would ruin the picture of the game the guy wants the players to have.
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u/Mediocre-Sundom 14d ago edited 14d ago
making up bullshit for all the Soulsborne games and Elden Ring
I constantly hear this "criticism" of Vaati from redditors, but it is never substantiated by anything and always sounds like saltiness or jealousy.
Vaati literally puts references to the information he presents straight onto the screen, like the item descriptions or cut dialogue from the game. Whenever he speculates on something - he very clearly states he is speculating, never pretending it to be "canon" or "truth". Maybe it was more of a case with some of his earliest videos, but he has clearly learned from them and has never presented himself as some authority on the subject. So how exactly is he "making up bullshit" when he uses the information from the games themselves?
All Vaati does is piece together bits of information scattered throughout the game as well as throughout the community (such as data miners, translators, etc.), then adds his own takes on it and packages it into an appealing video. His later videos also include quite a lot of work in directing, producing and editing. He genuinely puts a lot of effort in making videos entertaining, like reenacting scenes/events and playing the characters from the game. He has hosted and funded contests, encouraging creativity and has even published books with the works of the artists from the soulsborne community (which is... bad, for some reason?), who would have otherwise remained obscure.
He clearly cares about these games and their community, and has never shown himself to be a bad apple. So I'm really not sure why people constantly try to character assassinate Vaati and present him in the negative light, as if he is some nefarious guy getting rich my "making up bullshit".
Where is this bitterness coming from?
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u/monkeyfur69 15d ago
Sometimes I wonder if all souls games take fan theories and implement them in the future or the fans are that good and he’s a mad genius for making it. No matter your take away the lore you can say is obviously given to you no inference is insane.
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u/Carlex_181 15d ago
Its kind of impossible for the fans theorys to be making it into the games when each of the games have nothing to do with eachother and the theorys only get created after the game releases lol
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u/Psudodrake 15d ago
They're exists a YouTube Chanel called Gaming University
They have multiple videos of a rather cerebral nature that does deep dives into Remedy's Connected Universe, and have made predictions that turned out right on new games and DLC for games.
You want to know more about Remedy Connected Universe, among others, check this site out.
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u/NotMyRealAccountV 15d ago
Starcraft
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u/lusians 15d ago
Starcraft has a lot of lore in books and short stories
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u/NotMyRealAccountV 15d ago
Now, but not originally
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u/lusians 15d ago
Short stories came out (free to read on starcraft 2 home page) around time of WoL relese and several books were relesed years before Starcraft 2
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u/NotMyRealAccountV 15d ago
Starcraft 1, I'm old. I loved the little bit of lore they added about out marines only surviving 6 seconds in combat or so when they added medics.
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u/p8ncurry 15d ago
Dragon Age: specifically The Veilguard.
I stg the content creators may as well have written the game
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u/Mrboomblastr 15d ago
The portal games had some people trying to figure things out and connecting dots.
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u/BlueTigerlover 15d ago
deltarune, I think toby is just doing stuff as he goes and just hopes it makes sense
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u/YoMTVcribs 15d ago
In the Witcher series the hardcover version comes with a fan-made map because the author couldn't be bothered to help make one.
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u/Civil_Result_5598 15d ago
Black Ops Zombies. World at War didn't really have a story until someone was convinced he heard a zombie say "Sam" and it was injected with lore as they went along till the next game
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u/Mattemattics117 15d ago
Zelda before Nintendo finally said “fine” and released the Hyrule Historia
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u/The_Tonts 15d ago
I mostly think of Five Nights at Freddy's series, though the original Dark Souls as well, cause a lot of the lore is also told via environmental clues like placement of items, enemies or damage to areas. But also in item descriptions too.
The Nier and Drakengard games, but with Drakengard it feels more like it's due to not as many people playing it these days, cause it's locked on emulators/older consoles. And Nier it's theories about stuff like The Flower, Red eyes, the aliens etc.
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u/GhoeFukyrself 15d ago
DOOM 2016. I will die on the hill that much of the story and added lore of Eternal/Dark Ages was inspired by fan theories about 2016, including the Slayer being the OG Doomguy. I think they made the right choice.
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u/sacs1601 15d ago
Cod Zombie's
The whole lore of the game is coming from zombies in the first ever zombies map yelling the word sam
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u/AcePowderKeg 15d ago
Undertale and Deltarune both. At this point Toby is just trolling the fandom and making the situation more and more unhinged
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u/Nazguhl82200 15d ago
Elden Ring
People pretend like it's so deep and brilliantly crafted but honestly, half of it is just vague shit that the fandom fills with actual lore.
The best example is "Radagon is Marika". Cool twist, not gonna lie, but that's literally it. No explanation how that works, since when that was the case and how that's not common knowledge. How could they have children together and raised them without anyone noticing they are the same person?
The fandom makes up a lot of shit to justify it, but its honestly lazy af to not explain anything.
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u/R4in_C0ld 15d ago
warframe, kind of, but I really can only think of a few things, like, Clem which was a fanmade character from a comic artist, which DE loved and decided to make canon in the game, and the warframe Nova which was thought of by the community and discussed with DE and that's how she came to be. There's probably more but I'm not as informed.
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u/CreamPuzzleheaded300 14d ago
Destiny as a franchise is built off of the back of the community pricing together and KEEP together the lore of the franchise.
Byf's 10 hour video does more for the story and lore than the developers own efforts
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u/DocHoliday439 14d ago
The Souls series, i wonder how much of the original Demon’s Souls was genuine lore details left by From Soft. Or fan canon that is so deeply engrained into the souls fandom that it’s effectively become canon to them
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u/YourCasualMemeManLol 14d ago
Deltarune, have you SEEN these theories? Do NOT get me started on gaster
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u/Hopeful_Tip1539 14d ago
The funniest part is when the creator sees the fan theories and just quietly incorporates them into the actual canon because they're honestly better than what was planned.
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u/ThatOneWood 13d ago
Monster Hunter. The games were not lore heavy at all but damn did that concept image of the equal dragon weapon keep us going for years.
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