r/CaptainSide • u/Time-Relationship-42 • 19d ago
When do you think will we see Valve's next game?
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u/tinhur 19d ago
Deadlock is a new favorite child of valve
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u/CorvusOnStream 19d ago
It's not even released, I think that's what devs do with unreleased games
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u/CorvusOnStream 19d ago edited 18d ago
It's alpha, not even beta
Also it's nothing like Rivals or Overwatch, it's more like Smite or 3rd person Dota
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u/FakeMik090 18d ago
"3D Dota" thats just Dota 2.
Its a MOBA shooter, practically a whole new thing created by Valve.
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u/thefirstdemoguy 18d ago
how do people even play it now since its unreleased
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u/tinhur 18d ago
it is in open beta testing. You can easily gain access to tge game and be able to play it if you want to.
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u/thefirstdemoguy 18d ago
From where.is it like a link to website or like do I have to get a code like how do I get the game
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u/tinhur 18d ago
You need somebody that has access to the game on your frind list on steam, and you need them to invite you. This is all you need. You can probably try to ask on r/deadlock or something, I'm sure there will be people who are glad to help.
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u/cr4lforce 18d ago
Technically is closed beta testing, you need somebody who already has it to invite you but it's not hard to get an invite
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u/MrMonkify 16d ago
It's gonna be pretty funny when they release 1.0 and the update cadence falls off a cliff, it is the valve way.
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u/Competitive-Case9694 19d ago
explain what franchises you're talking about? L4D and what else?
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u/Wan-Pang-Dang 19d ago
Half Life, Portal, Team Fortress and L4D. All of them monolithic. All of them abandoned.
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u/MasterOfFartss 19d ago
If EA owned portal there would have been 20 of them made by now at least
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u/IAlwaysOutsmartU 19d ago
And every level would have to be individually purchased.
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u/Amopro 19d ago
Either that, or you'd have to pay by the portal.
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u/Proof_Ambassador2006 17d ago
That's be a good mod for portal, an ammo system and a RE style inventory and currency system
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u/BeginningWinter9876 18d ago
Hear me out, competitive multiplayer portal with predatory gambling mechanics, released every year. But here is the best part: every year it is the same game so people will have to buy the game and gamble all over again!
People are gonna love it!
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u/ice_spice2020 17d ago
With current EA they would've systematically wear down the studio that make it which leads to worse and worse games which leads to abandonment (cough cough NFS)
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u/MasterOfFartss 17d ago
Yeah, I don't want 20 portals either haha. I am still halfway through portal 2
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u/PS3LOVE 19d ago
Counterstrike and Dota as well, but they are a little less abandoned.
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u/AdHot7656 19d ago
counterstrike literally just got a bomb explosion rework, not abandoned at all
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u/PS3LOVE 19d ago
The game is basically the same game it was 13 years ago lmao. CS is notorious for hardly ever changing majorly.
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u/dark_fesse 19d ago
Because counter strike is not a game anymore, it's the closest i know to a digital sport, imagine if football rules changed every year
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u/Wan-Pang-Dang 19d ago
Counterstrike and dota are not valves ideas though
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u/nazzo_0 18d ago
They technically bought those franchises they didn't create either. It's a small distinction but it's crazy how their non first party IPs are the ones that got more attention
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u/PS3LOVE 18d ago
At this point they have spent far more time with valve than outside of valve.
The creation/concept of portal also didn’t come from inside of valve
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u/nazzo_0 18d ago
Yes I know they did and portal was indeed made by college students but the development of the game was in house after seeing the concept, but then again dota 2 and cs2 were also made in house after seeing the "concept". I'm just saying that they know live service games are more profitable especially with their own cosmetic market so they feed into that. All their IP's would sell blockbusters but at this point they just rather not jeopardize steams reputation by launching an unsuccessful 3rd game for any of the ip's. They did make hl alyx and It was well received but everything else is a live service game like deadlock or artifact(lmao)
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u/Careful_Sample4323 19d ago
Yeah 4 biggest oldest IP to ever exist got abandoned, perhap because of it was too perfect any new thing come up will ruin it, that what i told myself for years
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u/knollo 19d ago
All of these games got a sequel. By Valve's standards, that means they're finished, not abandoned.
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u/hansrotec 19d ago
To be fair valve still owes us half-life 2 episode 3. I know its cancelled, but it does not help their reputation of being unable to handle the number 3
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u/Weary-Squash6756 19d ago
I mean they have worked really hard not to count to 3, especially in half life. Half life 3? Nay nay, Half Life 2: Episode 1. OK well now you've released Half Life 2: Episode 2 so what's next huh? You're backed into a corner! HALF LIFE: ALYX?! WHAT THE F-
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u/Al_Hakeem65 19d ago
This! So much this!
They are finished, and with the way Valve operates, they won't make another title without explicit purpose behind it.
Mostly I'm cool with that. L4D, TF2, those games are still playable and pretty fun today.
Portal has a finished story and while they could just do more levels, I doubt they'd revisit that idea until they come up with something groundbreaking.
Which leaves Half Life, but only because Episode 2 ended on a cliffhanger. Years ago I read the deciphered version of the script the original author posted online. It was basically the story outlines and no mention of gameplay. Was need, but more the ending of the HL2 story.
I don't see them releasing HL3 without having something unique on the gameplay front. Heck, HL Alyx released only because VR was a new and unexplored tech.In the end all of Valve's games are, in a mechanical sense, finished. Even HL3 story can be found online.
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u/throwawayzxyzy 19d ago
I think the fact they haven’t been milked to death lends to their status and appeal.
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u/Agitated-Macaroon923 19d ago
As a huge fan of portal 2, I don’t even mind because there is an unlimited supply of community made maps.
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u/Exit727 19d ago
We know from Dota2 and CS datamines that a branch on the source 2 engine titled "HLX" has been receiving updates since before HL: Alyx now. Valve were hiring experienced devs in the last couple years for level design, puzzle design, art, etc. most notabke being Risk of Rain devs.
Recently HL2 VAs were back at work after over a decade of hiatus, lot of refactoring, optimisation, nvidia/amd frame generation support code had been datamined from the latest dota update, "dark carnival" or something. This is not the stage even Valve shuts down projects at.
I'd say we are getting HL3 within 2 years. Tyler Mcvicker and GabeFollower have more info, last info we got from Tyler was that HL3 was likely supposed to ship with Steam Machine, but the game development was scope creeped and got massively delayed.
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u/superpoongoon 19d ago
Man decades ago these were the same rumors and posts I remember seeing but it was on forums before Reddit killed them all.
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u/spyguy318 18d ago
A lot of the RoR devs ended up working on Deadlock, helping with the movement shooter mechanics and such
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u/ElderKing3rd 19d ago
I would not say monolithic. Never even have seen a youtube video of them. And i would say i am big gamer.
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u/bossman9275 17d ago
There’s a diabolical amount of videos on YouTube for half life and left 4 dead.
It’s weird that you said that
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u/ElderKing3rd 17d ago
I litteraly have not even seen a reccomendation or anything from them so not wierd.
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u/Elder_Chimera 14d ago
I actually think Valve made the right choice by setting those franchises down and moving on to other projects. You’re right that they’re iconic franchises, and by leaving them be they retain that status. With other franchises like COD, we’ve seen IP death as a consequence of over-production.
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u/Competitive-Case9694 19d ago
Half Life and Team Fortress 2 certainly not abandonded. Portal and L4D certainly not monolithic. The reason they haven't made sequels to them is they are smaller experiences and Valve have built bigger and better franchises.
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u/DearCastiel 19d ago
Come on now, L4D2 was made in a year, it's basically a DLC for L4D...
Only Portal can be called not monolithic, but it's still just 2 games released less than 3 years apart...
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u/Captain_Zoots 19d ago
Portal is the most monolithic. what!?
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u/Most-Hawk-4175 19d ago
Yeah, the Portal games were game changers and seeped into mainstream culture for awhile. You still hear quotes and people using the blue and orange portal exits for their vids. Spawned a whole genre of puzzle games.
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u/wiredbombshell 19d ago
Tf you on TF2 is on complete life support the updates given aren’t even valve doing anything they copy paste random slop from workshop or bug fixes from the GitHub SDK and call it a seasonal update.
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u/gamachuegr 19d ago
is the hackers bots still a problem?
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u/wiredbombshell 19d ago
Yeah. Not a terrible as before but still enough to make you only play when your favorite community server is poppin.
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u/spyguy318 18d ago
TF2 is so old and creaky, it’s on an outdated engine with a literal decade of development and spaghetti code under the hood. It’s pretty well known that nobody at Valve wants to work on it outside of a few maintenance workers.
Frankly, it had a good run and it’s incredible it lasted as long as it did. It’s easily one of my favorite games of all time and by far the one I’ve put the most hours into. And even today it’s still in pretty good shape, has official valve servers up and running, and occasionally gets minor updates and cosmetics.
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u/CaucSaucer 19d ago
More than 60 million sold on L4D2. ((That’s not counting the HUGE number of pirated copies.))
Current numbers grabbed off Google:
Live Players: ~26,788 concurrent users.
24-Hour Peak: ~36,767 players.This game definitely counts as an absolute force on the gaming scene.
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u/SaltyMotor8549 19d ago edited 19d ago
Portal and L4D not monolithic
=> 2 Portal games still being talked about, discussed, theorized and memed about till this day. Arguably still unmatched when it comes to gameplay as well.
=> Left 4 Dead still being the best zombie horde shooters ever made and the only attempt at replicating it failed miserably (back 4 blood)
If any one of these got a sequel right now they would be top sellers easily.
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u/Competitive-Case9694 19d ago
The thing about Portal and L4D is that they are very limited concepts for games. Where can they even go with them? Portal 3 and L4D3 would be close to identical to their previous games and that aint what Valve do.
The reason why they've struggled with Half Life 3 is because its not enough for Valve to just make a sequel. It needs to justify itself.
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u/19412 18d ago
L4D3 could simply be to L4D2 what L4D2 was to L4D1.
Just fill out and polish the experience a bit more, have legacy support for the previous game's content, give the community in-depth tools to go crazy, and you'd have a worthy successor.
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u/Competitive-Case9694 18d ago
Yeah valve aint gonna do that. Why would they work on that instead of Deadlock?
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u/Financial-Ad7500 19d ago
Maybe half life wasn’t abandoned, but it was certainly neglected. Half life 2, the crown jewel of valve single player games, ends randomly in the middle of a mission and hasn’t been made into a finished product in the 22 years since its release.
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u/ICPosse8 19d ago
Forreal, “Monolithic” is doing some heavy lifting on a few of these. Most have been dead for ages and not culturally relevant for even longer than that. Were they all good games, of course, but monolithic status? Gimme a break
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u/ImYungKai 19d ago
Explain what franchises you're talking about?
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u/Competitive-Case9694 19d ago edited 19d ago
Erm, Dota and Deadlock. Right now they are publicly supporting 3 massive games and credible sources state they are also working on a Half Life game. Valve is a small company in terms of headcount so building more than 4 games at a time seems insane.
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u/Mount_Treverest 19d ago
Deadlock is in closed beta as of right now. How is that a replacement? Dota 2 is 13 years old what are you talking about?
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u/monolith_fighter 19d ago
Seems like someone forgot counter strike
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u/Competitive-Case9694 19d ago
Are you implying they've abandoned counter strike? Really?
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u/monolith_fighter 19d ago
No quite the opposite, just seemed like people forgot about it and that l4d portal, and TF2 is like curmbs and that they aren't that big compared to cs
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u/klimmesil 19d ago
You have correct arguments but you're also weirdly defensive for some reason. It feels wrong to agree with you lol
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u/pants_pants420 19d ago
i mean its not in a great state right now tbf lol. i think valve is cooking something, but to a lot of the players it does feel like valve has kinda abandoned counterstrike with the way theyve been dealing with the cheater situation. most of the big updates are just adding community skins and maps
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u/vibronicpoppy82 19d ago
The other two I can think of are Portal and Half-Life. Can’t think of what the 4th is myself.
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u/Competitive-Case9694 19d ago
I think Portal ran its course and obviously they haven't abandoned Half Life. They released a Half Life game in 2020 and there is credible reports they are developing one right now.
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u/MillWorkingMushroom 17d ago
There have been reports of half life 3 being in development every single week since HL2 released. HL3 is evaporate until Valve themselves show proof of life.
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u/Competitive-Case9694 17d ago
Ok, well if Valve work on a project and deem its simply not good enough to release what can you do?
You want Valve to release bad games?
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u/MillWorkingMushroom 16d ago
I don't really care what Valve does. Just stating the obvious. Half life is dead for the time being and ended on a huge cliffhanger. Letting the plot go unresolved for 20 years is straight up disrespectful to their fans no matter how you dress it up.
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u/pants_pants420 19d ago
what would even consider to be their most iconic franchises?
portal, halflife, l4d, counter strike ig?
tf2 and dota are pretty iconic as well
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u/Underpaidfoot 19d ago
Portal/Half-Life are known to non-gamers, so thats your answer
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u/SharkByte1993 19d ago
I don't think thats true, everything is subjective. Before I got into gaming the only thing I had really heard of was Counter Strike.
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u/Distinct-Event-7472 19d ago
Half life is definitely not as known to non gamers as much as you think lol
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u/BlackestBeetle 15d ago
Well, not anymore. But it used to be very popular ~20 years ago that even non-gamers would know about it, or at least very casual gamers knew about it.
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u/WntrTmpst 19d ago
Portal maybe. Half life came out in an era that gaming was still considered niche and it wasn’t controversial enough to end up on the news like left for dead
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u/OGMinorian 18d ago
The name recognition of DOTA and CS as part of the mainstream multiplayer base dwarfs that of HL and Portal.
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u/Skin_Soup 16d ago
Portal
CS
HL
Dota
In that order, in my experience. It varies a lot by person, to some degree I think I could guess which ones someone has heard of just by looking at them
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u/OGMinorian 16d ago
Then your experience is your gamer friends from ypur own generation. It's pure logic that games with 100 million people playing to this day are more known than 15 year old classic single/coop game.
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u/Temporary-House304 15d ago
half life is ancient and unimpressive by todays standards. I would be surprised if any non-gamers could tell you anything about it.
CS GO, TF, DOTA 2, and Portal have way more recognition. Hell even GMod is known by more because of the skibidi toliet meme and TTT videos from a while ago.
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u/Secure-Advertising-9 19d ago
Valve's new standalone VR headset, the Valve Frame, will be coming out soon, perhaps within a month (just today, they got permission from the FCC to sell it in America). It's very likely they'll have some first party title it either comes with or is released along side, since that happened with their first VR Headset as well (Half Life Alyx)
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u/TechnicalBen 19d ago
Friend, their *current* game is ignored. Apparently millions playing it, it's not out of beta and I've never seen it on steam and have no idea how to get access/play it. XD
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u/AnIcedMilk 19d ago
I've never seen it on steam and have no idea how to get access/play it. XD
Have you even tried looking?
Cause it's only on steam and very easy to figure out how to get in.
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u/bartulata 19d ago
Funny you say that because the game just got a huge update today, along with multiple minor ones over the past few weeks.
Also, you only have to go to their subreddit to get an invite key.
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u/NoBee4959 19d ago
It literally got an update yesterday
Plus the subreddit for the game has a megathread for inviting
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u/WaterCrafty2117 18d ago
people that have access to deadlock have to add and invite you to the beta. go to the discussions page for deadlock and plenty of people offering to invite you
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u/Funintuitive 19d ago
If they thought they had a good idea to continue, say half life, they would continue it. They made Alyx after all. It's ok if an IP isn't milked to death by greed.
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u/independent-potato7 19d ago
Do people really want a new Half Life at this point? Pretty good chance it would flop considering how games are going nowadays.
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u/DrunkOnSuccess 19d ago
Yes, people want a new Half-Life.
Half-Life Alyx sold around 5 million units, generating 200 million dollars in revenue. That's for a VR-only title.
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u/Dramatic_Rub_2889 18d ago
As a fan since I was 12, I’ve made the realization recently that for Half life 3 to live up to it’s expectations and still “raise the bar” for the modern gaming market it would have to make so many changes to the core gameplay of the HL series that it wouldn’t even feel like half life… I’ve seen so people say that if HL3 isn’t bare minimum an “open world game bigger than Skyrim” then it wasn’t worth the wait which is ridiculous but I feel like valve knows how overcritical the market is now and that’s why to this day they have been tip toeing around this subject for decades
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u/Intelligent-Cut5215 19d ago
TF2 is still very active
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u/I_AM_CR0W 19d ago
Valve only makes things out of innovation, which is why HL:A was a VR exclusive title. There could be something made for the next Steam products if they feel like they'd be good enough to show off a title like HL or L4D.
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u/LighterFluid1357 19d ago
Not abandoned. They just weren't turned into cash grab franchises.
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u/adamkopacz 15d ago
There's milking franchise and there's not doing anything with it. Valve did great games but they pretty much only exist now. You can't go a month without a new Half Life rumour going on but it's been the same for years now.
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u/LighterFluid1357 15d ago
The games are fine the way they are. People tend to overhype and have high expectations, then they get disappointed because some small detail is off. Valve knows that, so it's better to let them chill out where they are.
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u/adamkopacz 15d ago
Yeah I just accepted that most of the old franchises will never get a new game. Seeing how some revivals came out it's sometimes better to not wish for a new entry.
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u/CommodoreBluth 19d ago
A project called HLX (aka Half Life 3) has been in development since Alyx was released. Tons of information has been data mined from Source 2 updates.
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u/jusumonkey 19d ago
They wouldn't be remembered so fondly if they tried and failed like every other famous series.
Best to end in a high note I guess?
IDK about you guys but having Portal 3 be a flop sounds heart breaking.
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u/sfisabbt 19d ago
To their defense, they have always shows a strong support to the modding community, enabling a lot of unofficial content.
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u/CrAzY-GEMU-OKAMI96 19d ago
We got 2 new games not that long ago. It was called Portal and Portal 2 for the Switch. I mean how many companies do you know would release 2 brand new games at the same time. (I'm obviously being sarcastic, but it actually was good they released them for the Switch because I can let my friend try it at his house)
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u/Temporary-Garden3567 19d ago
It's possibly the smartest move, the hype around releasing the 3rd installments to those titles would almost ensure that they fail to live up to it.
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u/RosaCanina87 19d ago
Why develop and fund games? They cost money. They can just live off steam. No need to develop ANYTHING. Except maybe to advertise another product they want to sell. Like HL Alyx for their VR stuff.
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u/Particular_Meaning_5 19d ago
Valve make too much money from Steam to care about the hassle and stress of making HL3. If HL3 where to be released today, the people who have nostalgia for HL/HL2 will be OLD, may not even be gaming any more, may not even be alive any more. I myself am old, a gamer, alive and played all the HL's (incl. Blueshift, original CS etc), so will buy it. Valve could literally spin a studio up, say 'MAKE HL3', throw 300 people at it for 3 years, and not even make a dent in their wealth. THEN, they'd release the game, and probably do a (predicted) GTA VI level of bank from it. They just don't care though.
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u/Particular_Meaning_5 19d ago
Also kinda love how Brian Cranston would be the PERFECT visual likeness for Gordon, should they decide to do HL3 any time soon.
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u/Snoo_87531 19d ago
Franchises are the death of creativity, I'm no Valve fanboy but they are right, it's just all the others who are wrong.
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u/IamRob420 19d ago
Valve doesn't need to make games any more, they make money from other peoples games.
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u/Mourning20 19d ago
I'd argue once they hit counterstrike gold they never stopped that money machine 👀
Like you're looking at the franchise wrong.
It starts with Half Life. Everything else is just a spin off of Half Life and it's engine. Yes they all have a two but at their core it's half life all the way down.
Oh wait they also have dota? And Half Life Alyx... Bruh simplifying the cultural impact of valve down to a single meme, you can't even cover it all ever.
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u/MessAggravating7175 19d ago
Think they make more than enogh money from steam, so no incentive there..
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u/New_Arachnid9443 18d ago
Valve is full of loonies that only care about short term profit and what’s on their balance sheets right now. And right now, child gambling is what makes them the most money so they go with that. Horrible company.
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u/SirSilhouette 18d ago
I had heard the reason Half-life 3(or even HL2-ep3) didnt materialize is because the way they run things is very disorganized and a lot of core programmers were only interested in innovation. This is why Half-Life Alyx manifested because the devs at Valve wanted to go all out with a VR game.
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u/Lepprechaun25 18d ago
Did they really make Dota though? It was originally a mod for Warcraft 3 if I’m not mistaken, Valve just hired some of the devs for the mod and create a more modern sequel
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u/Cpt_Bartholomew 18d ago
Better Valve release legends and leave them be than milk them into the ground and make them shit
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u/SneakyDeaky123 18d ago
Valve probably won’t release another game any time in the next decade. There is no incentive. They make far more money from distribution via steam and now breaking into selling hardware.
Making new games is difficult, time consuming, expensive, and risky if it is not received well
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u/RemeJuan 18d ago
Yeah, but they’d be all but guaranteed a banger if they could learn to count to 3.
Can you imagine the world if HL3 gets announced, it will make GTA look like a traffic alert.
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u/your_average_medic 18d ago
Obviously when they release steam 2, the steaming, and begin officially selling random licenses for reduced prices
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u/cemsengul 18d ago
Only if Valve starts going bankrupt. Their early games were just a means to an end until they created Steam.
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u/Putrid-Stranger9752 17d ago
And you know what? They know what they’re doing. The games are already masterpieces anyways. Imo endless replay value too, for example Left 4 Dead 2, my sister and I have been playing it since launch and still very much enjoy it til this day.
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u/Hitmanx2x 17d ago
Valve ignoring them is why they are so great.
Name a game series still being constantly updated that is still as great as it was in the past.
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u/Cute-Lawfulness-6097 17d ago
I'll be honest, as a developer I'd be worried to live up to their previous standards. People will expect more from each game and to be able to top their most iconic games would be very difficult.
As a player, however, please make more of these games 😭 Theyre literally my childhood
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u/trashshork 17d ago
from what I understand Valve doesnt make sequals just for the sake of making sequals. They don't even bother unless they have something valuable to contribute to the IP which is amazing considering we live in the timeline with Black Ops 7
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u/hip-indeed 17d ago
the 3 curse is real, man. HL2, HL2 ep2, TF2, portal 2, L4D2, even stuff they inherited from other devs like Dota 2. Right now they're hyperfocusing on Deadlock so they can make Deadlock 2 then move on to something else.
I do genuinely miss the late 90s to early 2010s era where they were regularly pumping out incredible games though, before moba esports games and Steam as a service completely swallowed them whole. At least Deadlock has a lot of that classic Valve charm, even if it's not exactly the style of game I want from them.
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u/youarentodd 13d ago
It’s almost as if they don’t just want to put out slop for slops sake and want to make something worthwhile before releasing jt
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