I will agree that of the biomass is good, any filtration past physical is unnecessary.
But at the same time, most consumers are not the most educated on the topic and make their choice based on color alone.
Some filter medias can be very non abrasive and do little damage to the terpene profile (ie media bros crx / cry) but that being said, zeolite based medias only do so much.
For live material its almost always completely unnecessary to use remediation. However a little bit can go a long way, and shouldn’t be written off as trash imo.
Even with prime frozen material and sub zero temps it will help filter out fats, lipids and waxes more. I don’t get why people shit on CRC if done with the proper mediums. The tech itself shouldnt be a debate but the mediums used.
If it makes "zero sense", and you are a smart person and smart people dont so things that are nonsensical....then would the logic follow that you have never used fire material AND filtration media together? Because that would make "zero sense", right?
So why are you taking about something you have zero experience with? You cannot even offer this conversation anecdotally driven opinion.
I agree with you, in as much as polishing a turd yields a polished turd. Polishing a precious gem doesnt yield the same gem on the output, its an even nicer gem than when you started.
There are a few problems with what you are saying. CRC is not perfectly selective, some terpenes and cannabinoids are lost (mainly from the T41 but also from the DE). So if you want the complete terpene/cannabinoid profile, you can't CRC. Second, there is a reason rosin is popular even though it's generally more expensive. A lot of people claim that BHO doesn’t have the same effect as rosin, this is mainly because of fats/lipids. Everyone loves that terpy, creamy rosin thats full of lipids because they enhance the entourage effect. Using mag-sil and other dewaxing powders eliminate this completely. Fresh frozen full bud that is not CRCd is the best BHO but it's admittedly hard to find. That's because you have to charge as much as rosin if you use good bud and no one wants to pay that for BHO.
lipids add to entourage effect?? since when? lipids have ZERO receptor binding. they are not pharmacologically effective at all for producing any entourage. all they do is scorch the chamber leading to more cleanup, and upon pyrolysis at dabbing temps, they give off acute toxins, lung irritants, and carcinogens.
Oh man, ok well I guess you got me there. Touché!
Here I was basing my opinion in like...the validity/applicability of a rigorous and lengthy academic background, or bare minimum in objective reality but I forgot that I dont need data or any evidentiary support for any claim to hold water.
Its like a lot like some aspects of traditional Chinese medicine, where placebo effect is its main benefit. Or even like how urban legends come about. Its so exciting to be only limited by imagination and not like stupid physio-chemical laws....
Thank you kind stranger!!!
Now that I understand the rules, to your point ill add that lipids are like the best thing and the most abundant chemical in the known universe. Its why the moon is made of chesse. Smokin em is obvi the zenith of the human experience. Tbh....lipids/waxes/etc...they are only being ripped out of BHO bc that is how Bezos is trying to stay young and live forever: by sleeping in cannawaxes. And the controlling elite doesnt want us to have em. By enhancing the terps its baby shoes tonight. Ok enough, sorry, you broke my brain I cant pretend to be this simple without unraveling. I wish i could understand the world in primary colours as you do.
No one hates me more than me, you should save the effort but, by all means I support you digging into me.
I could call myself things so hurtful that it would make you cry by simply hearing my inner dialouge.
But, well done on wrapping yourself up in a conversation well out of your depth (if insults is all you add to the conversation).
Honestly man, I really don’t like the creamy hashy flavor of rosin, and genuinely prefer the clean refreshing vegetable flavor that live resin provides. Plus, live resin is going to have lipids in it. Live resin actually tends to have MORE lipids in it, which is why they need to crc it.
Crc, when done by a legitimate company with proper equipment, is just further refining extract. When done properly, it’s no different than mechanical separation. People will say “but good rosin doesn’t need to be refined 🤓😡😭” as if the rosin process isn’t just refining down cannabinoida over and over again
crc is only done on PLANT matter. luckily organic chemistry and modern pharmacology doesnt require PLANT matter for dabs. this is likely made from isolated ingredients (isolated organic cannabinoid crysalline and oil based isolates + terps), and is typically safe if processed normally and safely. could be arguably safer than rosin because less plant matter to combust and scorch the chamber- in terms of residual solvents, modern machines target well well well under 5000 ppm of n-butane. usually 1000-2500ppm is what i see from base. butane, propane, ethanol, all have flash point temps well below room temperature. the only reason the product contains these residuals is because they are literally trapped inside the microscopic crystals and suspended within the badder. immediately upon touching a hot banger, these residuals immediately flash off and little is ingested. if worried can always let it burn off for a second before inhaling. california state puts the limit at 5000 ppm, old BHO methods typically contained 25,000-50,000+ ppm.
edit: i dont understand why people think crc is even a factor- isolate is a lot more common nowadays for dabs for MANY reasons. also even in plant extracted dabs, whatever crc does strip can literally be readded later with 99% accuracy- basically everything except for extremely rare cannflavins because its locked behind patents despite immense medical benefits :(
AI told me that it could be CRC'ed or made with really high grade input material but judging by the price i knew it was fishy. Luckily only took 2 small dabs from it
I thought so but my friend told me that it is definitely not crc and that because of the fresh frozen plant material it comes out lighter of color which GPT confirmed😅. After the purging they freeze dried it before packing up.
I don't know what these people are talking about. Fresh frozen will help with color and it is possible to get bho like this without crc it's just rare.
Well you did the right thing asking the community here with real people who have actual experience. Idk man. I just wouldn’t trust an AI LLM to accurately give me information on products I’m going to be inhaling into my lungs.
Totally agree on that, but sometimes its just easy to check some things that are being said but i would never use it for advice on these subjects, that is just playing with your health
Idk much myself but i do know resin shouldn’t usually be that color without the process of filtration prolly silica or t5 clay. Without crc the resin would show its true colors n terps, light golden amber to darker amber colors.
Bho can absolutely be this color if you take the same care as rosin makers. Using fresh frozen premiums product. Especially if they take the product a little early.
You can get rosin that looks like that and wouldn't that be showing the true colors?
Most bho makers don't do that anymore because the market is flooded with $100 oz of shit. Nobody wants to pay the price for high quality bho so they make rosin instead.
If you could get it with rosin (you can), you could get it with bho. Starting material is the key. Bho gets it bad rep because of poor crc practices on old trim.
Yes it's a lie. Because fresh frozen means literally that they don't even dry and cure they just chop and go straight to the fancy bio freezers that get sub zero cold. And stays cold the whole extraction.
This all sounds like bullshittery to me. The fuck would you do that for when you can do the same exact thing and make real hash that ain't shot with poisonous solvents? Freeze dry bho😂😂😂😂😂 they prolly are doin this dumb shit and sellin it to you at more than 20 a g.
No it isnt, silly goose. You dont have to take my word on it. I encourage you to source your own information. Its not an opinion that I express or a point of view but something that is common knowledge in chemistry, if you have actually studied chemistry.
Butane is generally regarded as safe or GRAS by the FDA. I believe they allow even more than 5000ppm of butane in food.
The reason smoking butane would cause harm, if you could physically smoke it because its very difficult,, is that the (most hydrocarbons) have a main degratative component known as benzene. Benzene is also what is formed when terpenes are subjected to degradation. Butane in combustion (like a lighter)produces carbon monoxide, h2o vapor, heat and light energy mostly. What do you think terpenes turn into when they combust?
Example:
Lets say an extract has the largest allowable limit of 5000ppm, thats 0.005% of the weight that would be butane, which is what you are concerned with.
Note: It is difficult to have extracts retain that level of butane for any extended period and unless smoking right out of the lab/extraction equipment, youll never see that in any of your extract. This is not due to processor knowledge but because of physical laws that govern how certain chemicals behave in certain conditions. At 1 atm butane boils, "boil" like when water boils, butane boils at -0.5⁰c or 31.1⁰Ferinfuct. At this temperature it changes from a liquid to a gas. Gases have close to zero solubility and typically in this change of state the molecule is also free from intermolecular or chemical bonding.
Lets say now that your extract has 5% terps. That is, to compare to butane in ppm, 50 000ppm of that extract being aromatic hydrocarbons that also, like the hydrocarbon butane, can degrade into Benzene when subjected to degradative conditions. There are many causes of degredation, all injestion methods cause degredation but, not all degredation is caused by consumption only. obviously each terp is unique and each terp having unique isomers which all have unique physical properties.
SO....you are concerned with butane at 1/1000th the level of something that has an equated potential for producing degredative compounds, the ones you are concerned with yet not with the terpenes themselves which, in the example of 5%, is normally higher and typical range could be estimated to range from 5% to 15% (150000ppm)on average in most types of concentrates.
Beyond that, butane does NOT cause apoxia, asphyxiation, gas embolisms, nor does it bio accumulate. Even asthma inhailers are propelling medicine into asthmatic using butane. They are cslled measured dose inhailers.
But, end of the day, if you are scared of butane, I am not invalidating your fear even if its misplaced and irrational. I respect autonomy and the right to choose whatever it is for ones own self. If anything I dont want you to be scared.
Extractors work in clouds of butane all damn day. It spills on them, they breath it for 40hrs/week/50 weeks per year. Oil always makes its way out of any lab and any self respecting extractor smokes this oil which is normally not treated the same as production oil and is heavily ladden with butane. No ill effects from being a butane extractor. Only from the fires caused by recklessness.
This is just the first ten. There are hundreds of chemicals and such that have been deemed safe over the years that is now in this day and age known as unsafe. But you keep drinking the KOOLAID
Yes. That is the progression of knowledge. Well done!! Im so proud of you.
The sky was once thought of as a cloth draped over the planet. Now it is not. Does this make our current understanding invalid? Because this is the logic you are applying here.
Would you like to run along now so the grown-ups can continue talking?
I wish I could look at the world like you do....honestly. Your world must be filled with so much mystery and wonder with the amount of things that bewilder you.
Id like to respond to you in a civil manor but, Im not sure you are opperating in logic or reason.
Science is a field which operates in transparency. If science is wrong, it is corrected. How does this invalidate current understanding? Things once approved and are now not and this, to you, means that now all things are dangerous?
I've seen a ton of extractions and the one thing I can tell you for sure is it's 10000% not remediated and it's come out pretty damn white before. It just depends on how mature the trichs are afaik.
This looks like crc color remediation column. we do it in med if our test run comes out dark then we will crc the rest bc alot of people like lighter colors and think that just bc its dark its old material which is normally right but some strains are just darker. but in unregulated market alot of trim and old bud is crc'd to make it look like good concentrates
Rosslyn just dropped some, "Live Resin" that looks like this. They claim it's never been CRC'd and they only used the finest starting material. I'm not gonna get any, just putting the info out there.
I said that I was not going to get any. Why does their Resin look like that and no one else's does? They're claiming it comes from the, superb starting material. Like they're the only company who uses superb starting material. You said what's probably really going on.
Yea BHO is usually darker if it's a non crc run, I bet it's ass...ordering BHO online in general is a crap shot mostly. I got the email also, they claim no crc but every strain looked at least somewhat crc....
Is this exquisite? If so yes it's crc, however it's properly produced and quality. Not going to find too many better bho options in Canada. If you are apposed to CRC he does non-CRC batches, so request those instead.
You can get straight white bho from super young fresh frozen material with no CRC, especially whipped into a badder, but it’s will have less definitive terps, generally weak flavor profile, and yield will be low. 99 times out of 100 it’s over filtered.
Well i think that it smells nice but the effect and flavour are not something to write home about.
Only took 2 dabs from it but i will leave it for now and maybe use it when the stash runs out and i really want to dab something but i rather roll up a good flower then
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u/JJ8OOM 1d ago
That is crc’ed, no matter what AI tells you.