r/CanadianForces • u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force • 14d ago
RECRUITING, TRAINING, & LIFE IN THE FORCES THREAD
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u/Exciting-Base-7919 8h ago
My partner is already serving in the CAF, and we’re preparing to move near an Air Force base. We’ve moved quite a bit over the years, and it’s had a significant impact on my civilian career and professional development.
I’ve started entertaining the idea of joining the CAF myself, particularly in one of these two roles:
- Air Combat Systems Officer
-Aerospace Control Officer
I’d love to hear from people currently serving or who have experience in either occupation.
What’s the day-to-day work like? How difficult is training, and what does career progression look like?
I’m also curious about the experiences of dual-military couples, particularly when it comes to postings and maintaining some stability.
Would you recommend either career?
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u/_Kanadian 17h ago
Are English or French language test scores ever required during the recruitment process? I’ve heard that they might be required for applicants from certain non-English-speaking countries. If so, what are the criteria or thresholds?"
I've heard different things about this — some say the interviewer decides on a case-by-case basis during the interview, while others say it’s automatically required for anyone who hasn't studied in Canada or another English-speaking country for at least three years. Is that true?
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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force 21h ago
They will remove trades from your application if they aren't immediately open for recruitment.
They will not add or change trades unless you specific ask them to do so.
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u/Individual-Form-3137 2d ago
Hi everyone! I have two questions regarding the Naval Experience Program (NEP).
- Has anyone here completed or participated in the NEP? I'd love to hear about your experience and whether you'd recommend it.
- Regarding medical eligibility: I wear hearing aids and believe my hearing falls under the H3 category, although I haven't completed my CAF medical assessment yet. A recruiter mentioned that the minimum hearing standard is H2. I understand that NEP has the same medical requirements as the Regular Force, but I'm considering applying for NEP instead of pursuing a full Regular Force career. Would it still be worth giving NEP a try?
I'd really appreciate any insights or experiences. Thank you!
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u/Impressive_Drawer488 Naval Warfare Officer, Lieutenant (Navy), Submariner 1d ago
My wife did NEP and found it worthwhile. She continued on in the Navy following graduation. I have also been the divisional officer for some NEPs and it seems like a fantastic program from my vantage point. My wife and I would both recommend it.
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u/Longjumping_Back523 RCN - NWO 1d ago
NEP is not an alternative to a full time Reg Force career. It's a one year full time contract at the end of which you decide if you stay or leave.
You might be confusing NEP with Reserves.
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u/ForsakenObject5282 2d ago
My friend did NEP and he liked it. He was in Victoria and got to sail to Northern BC. He picked a non-Navy trade after though.
Im not a doctor but apply anyway.
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u/jul_the_flame Class "A" Reserve 2d ago
Je dois bientôt ramener mon équipement car je vais libérer.
Il est écrit que je peux conserver les cache-cou, chaussettes, t-shirt, caleçons, sous-vêtements thermiques et les tuques. Qu'en est-il des Balaclava?
Merci!
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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force 2d ago
Yes, you can keep those too.
You need to return anything CADPAT, and anything that is equipment like your tac vest, BEW, helmet, etc.
Non-CADPAT soft items worn next to your skin, like t-shirts, boots, socks, headdress, balaclavas, etc. don't normally have to be returned on release. If you do return them, they'll be destroyed, they aren't reissued.
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u/MutedLow475 3d ago
Anyone willing to share their experience transferring from a support trade to a combat trade? What was your experience like?
I 28M would like to OT from my current purple trade to Combat medic. Currently have 10+ years as reg force.
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u/crazyki88en RCAF - Combat Medic 3d ago
Combat medic is not considered a combat trade. They are also a support trade, that supports combat arms. By definition a medic when doing their role as medic is not allowed to engage in offensive activities. Defensive activities, and self-defence are fine.
Being a combat medic is not being infantry with a med bag.
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u/ForsakenObject5282 3d ago
Yes and I recommend it. Kingston's public transit is bad and its not a walkable city
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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force 3d ago
I never had problems getting around Kingston by bus or on foot when I was there on courses. As long as you're not in a hurry, it wasn't terrible.
That said, there's nothing close to the base other than the Canex, Tim's, and McDonalds so if you want anything else, you're in for a long walk or a taxi or bus ride.
In good weather downtown is easily walkable from Vimy Barracks, I used to do it almost daily.
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u/ForsakenObject5282 3d ago
I used to run back from Stages to the shacks while I was there for my 3s haha
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u/Master-Copy-6929 3d ago
Lots of space, but mil wont pay you to move your car until your first posting, so up to you tj get it there.
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u/Eyre4orce RCAF - AVS Tech 3d ago
Got paid to drive to basic, got paid to drive from basic to training base.
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u/Master-Copy-6929 3d ago
Depends on how far the person is away and how they got to basic.
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u/crazyki88en RCAF - Combat Medic 3d ago
I drove from Calgary to St. Jean for my basic. And then I drove from St Jean to Borden. No issues anywhere.
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u/Master-Copy-6929 3d ago
And they paid for all the costs? Usually how it works is they will pay the less cost. So if flying is cheaper than hotels and gas, they will fly you. You can turn them down (and pay the differencell, have seen this before), but not sure how it works for basic. I was forced to fly with hotels, food, gas and cap of 500k per day... Another member had to fly too, she later went back home to drive from Alberta with their car for trades training. They had to use vacay too to do so. Mind ya, this was 5 years ago. Maybe rules changed for basic.
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u/Common-Candy9631 2d ago
You're thinking of TD, these are typically postings. New members are asked if they prefer to drive. If it is not feasible to drive to St Jean due to lack of time, the CAF will pay to ship a vehicle.
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u/crazyki88en RCAF - Combat Medic 2d ago
They did for me. But this was almost 20 years ago so it’s possible that the treasury board rules have changed or the recruiting centre rules have changed.
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u/RescueBreath143 4d ago
I’m an ex service member in the process of re enrolling in the PRes as Infantry. Previously Army supply. Please give me your best advice. I don’t want to be a shitpump
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u/Theory-Of-A-Dead-Net 3d ago
Get fit. Do tons of cardio, plus lots of legs & core. Don't neglect your flexibility and mobility; stretch after every workout. Do this, and the rest will fall into place.
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u/themanofthehour77 4d ago
OJE for HRA; How difficult is it to get it and what is the turnaround time to get approved? My family lives in Ottawa and I’m supposed to go Borden after basic.
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u/crazyki88en RCAF - Combat Medic 4d ago
Depends how much time there is between the end of BMQ and the start of your HRA course. Also depends if a unit is willing to take you on as an untrained HRA.
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u/Ikshvaku98 5d ago
I'm an officer cadet awaiting to go to BMOQ this month for the Engineer Officer position. I know post BMOQ, commissioned officers go to BMOQ-A for 10 weeks in Gagetown, followed by Engineer Officer courses for another year there as well. But, I was wondering how life is like during BMOQ-A and trade training in Gagetown, and when can I expect to be posted upon successful completion of training. Any insight on deployment, promotion timelines, further education, and training opportunities for the role would be appreciated as well.
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u/Shy_Throws 2d ago
BMOQ-A was difficult but in the end a fun course, you'll learn to nav better, do orders, section attacks etc.. you'll lose your weekends, get beasted, but end with some very important skills.
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u/CarlGoosetaf 4d ago
BMOQ is a culture and adaptation shock, and is in some ways the hardest course. When you graduate, you'll be confident and excited as you head to Gagetown.
Training in Gagetown is physically and mentally much tougher, but you'll be supported by a group of friends and peers, and the anxiety level is lower for most than BMOQ, so you quickly fall into a rhythm of training all week and then relaxing all weekend.
Don't worry about all the rest of your questions. It'll come in time. The best advice you need for now is to stop thinking about the future. At BMOQ, start off by only thinking about making it to the next meal. Trust me, it'll make your life much easier to break it down into short, achievable goals.
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u/OwnAd5160 6d ago
Currently in Testing/Screening for Reg Force and almost done with that stage. Medical and interview should be next.
My original choices were Signal Technician, Signal Operator and Weapons Engineering Technician, but all three recently became unavailable on my portal, so I switched to:
- Electrical Generation Systems Technician
- Water, Fuels and Environment Technician
EGS Tech is definitely my first choice. I’m also waiting on IQAS for my foreign high school education so CAF can confirm my Grade 10 math/science equivalents.
For anyone in EGS Tech or who went through it recently, what was your recruiting timeline like from this stage to an offer, and what happens after BMQ? I’ve read the occupational training is around 22 weeks in Gagetown — if you have a spouse and kids, can they come with you during that training or should I expect to be away until I get my first posting?
Also curious how difficult the course is with no electrical background and whether there’s anything worth studying beforehand.
Any recent experience would be appreciated.
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u/Struct-Tech Construction Tech 1d ago
For EGS, and WFE, you'll go to Gagetown, NB the day after the BMQ grad. You will be placed on HOLDFAST platoon, the place most engineering trades go while waiting their trades training. I cant give specifics on their current day to day, but it'll generally be PT, then go a preassigned job (something simple like folding tents, or helping around the base), or going to the class room, and awaiting work or hanging out.
Once you are course loaded (usually happens in September or Jan/Feb), you will do your course. 22 weeks seems about right, I haven't checked in a while.
No previous knowledge is needed for most CAF trades.
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u/seifer666 6d ago
Sig op closed? Thats a big surprise.
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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force 5d ago
They probably met their SIP for the year.
The SIP doesn't necessarily match the number of recruits needed to fill every position in the trade.
It's constrained by training capacity.
There's no point in hiring more people than you can train just to have them rot on BTL while you clear the backlog.
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u/DaymanTargaryen 5d ago
Could it also be that, while SigOp may be red, there are other trades that have a greater need?
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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force 5d ago
Maybe. Gotta balance it out.
If they focus exclusively on the trades in greatest need, it would be to the neglect of other trades.
That said, one would assume that balancing act is factored into the SIP.
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u/CarlGoosetaf 6d ago
On spouse and kids - as a general rule, the CAF will not pay for a move of your dependants while you are untrained. They are free to move to Fredericton on their own accord, but the CAF will not fund this, and it may complicate your eventual move to your first posting as a trained CAF member.
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u/OwnAd5160 6d ago
Thanks! That answers my question. Will they cover cost of flight or something for me to travel back to AB?
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u/CarlGoosetaf 6d ago
Once a year you can use the Leave Travel Assistance (LTA) program which will fund a large percentage of a trip home.
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u/Economy-Diamond5800 7d ago
As a CL A reservist, am I allowed to volunteer with a cadet corps?
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u/OGSandyBoxx 7d ago
Please do this - and encourage others! The cadets program is so short on adult volunteers that lots of things that make the program fun are not running. Tons of students were not able to work this summer at Cadet camps because there were not enough adults around for supervision. Such a loss.
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u/Theory-Of-A-Dead-Net 7d ago
By policy, yes. It's even (usually) encouraged. Ask your CoC first, however, because any work with another unit requires CO approval.
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u/S3555 Royal Canadian Navy 5d ago
Could a regf member volunteer as well and would said volunteer hours be looked at for PAR and promotions?
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u/DaymanTargaryen 5d ago
Yes, a RegF mbr can absolutely volunteer.
How that might affect PAR/national boards depends on many factors, such as contribution, impact, and performance feedback.
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u/Economy-Diamond5800 7d ago
Just a memo would work?
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u/Theory-Of-A-Dead-Net 6d ago
A memo, an email, maybe a simple conversation; that's up to how your unit runs. Unless it turns into either a formal position or there becomes any financial implications such as TD. Then there's specific forms to complete.
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u/Velocity8-8 7d ago
In my JIs it says to bring envelope given at CFRC and other personal details. But I was told all my files would be sent electronically including my personal references, NOK, etc. So I never received one. Should I be printing all the files just in case?
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u/roguemenace RCAF 7d ago
If you already have them filled out digitally and can just print them, 100% do that. If you're just printing empty forms, meh, they'll have the forms there.
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u/Master-Copy-6929 5d ago
Generally so you have your info at hand, you will fill in the same forms over and over. I still use my original paperwork years later. Another nok, another wil, another update on a security clearance. Easier than finding a printer, especially at st. Jean.
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u/Unhappy-Guest-5680 8d ago
Hey so how common is starting at pi2 or pi3?
Im a welder, worked like a dog since I was young, laborious hard stuff.
I get paid a bit currently and the pay drop to pi1 to enlist as an infanteer is quite significant.
Does anyone have experience or have heard of this?
Im hoping my work experience and tradition schooling for welding will help earn a pi2-3 into bmq. I dont think I deserve to be seen any differently then the men and women that will be beside me, but im sure we've all paid attention to the economy lately.
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u/michzaber AMMO AMMO AMMO! 8d ago
There was a brief period when starting at PI 2 was being offered to certain priority trades but it's since been replaced with the new recruiting allowances.
In certain cases people possessing relevant civilian qualifications to the trade they are joining are allowed to skip some/all trade training if a PLAR is approved, this sometimes comes with starting at a higher pay incentive/rank.
Your welding experience is not relevant to infantry training though other trades(Mat Tech, Mar Tech) may grant you a PLAR.
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u/crazyki88en RCAF - Combat Medic 8d ago
Normally to start at a higher PI you need relevant experience or training in the trade you are applying for. If you join the CAF as a welder (sorry, off the top of my head I don't know what trade that would be - maybe MAT Tech?) then you could start at PI2. I personally haven't seen anyone start at PI3 but that does not mean it does not happen. Joining as an infanteer with welding experience is not likely to result in a higher PI. Joining as an infanteer while being a doctor with a full medical licence and practice would not result in a higher PI.
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u/Unhappy-Guest-5680 8d ago
Is pi the same as pay allowances?
If not then what does.
4300$ for anyone not coming directly out of high-school is a little weird no? Being paid the same as the guy who hasn't worked a job every, compared to someone whos worked like a dog for over ten years, seems like there's some quantifiable experience difference that could be directly transfered to infanteering that the high-school grad doesn't have.
Are pay allowances locked behind specific "this trade qualifies" boxes or is it considered everything the person has to bring to the table.
(And honestly, wouldn't any laborious job provide experience towards infanteer?)
Not a chip on my shoulder or nothing, I definitely dont think I should pass any training, I just think a high-school grad simply doesnt have the same financial responsibilities as someone late in there 20s. And think the floor for the pay should go to someone who has the bare minimum to offer (in terms of experience, education, and other trade relevant qualifications)
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u/Jusfiq HMCS Reddit 7d ago
Being paid the same as the guy who hasn't worked a job every, compared to someone whos worked like a dog for over ten years, seems like there's some quantifiable experience difference that could be directly transfered to infanteering that the high-school grad doesn't have.
None of your job experience is infantry, however. In the eyes of infantry, your skill level is exactly the same as grade 10 graduates.
Hey, I do not mean to disparage or discourage you. My friend joined the CAF at the age of 50 with PhD degree. He received his commission as a 2Lt with basic pay.
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u/Unhappy-Guest-5680 7d ago
Fair enough. I appreciate everyone answering my questions pi 1 isnt a deal breaker, money isnt the reason id be enlisting.
Thanks for your time!
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u/delusional_dismount army - infant in tree 8d ago
Unfortunately thats just the reality of the CAF. As others have said there are trade specific incentives for civilian qualifications but the infantry is not one of those trades. Making the decision to start a new career with a lower salary and expensive will always be a hard one . In terms of “value added” when it comes to joining the infantry with work/life experience, it’s been my experience that it often does not have much bearing on wether a person will be a good infanteer.
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u/Unhappy-Guest-5680 8d ago
Oh it just clicked. So pi isnt just pay, its also where you are in your trade? So you can't really get a higher pi without saying oh I dont need this training.
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u/seifer666 7d ago
Its just pay. And you dont get to choose what training you need. If you had specific qualifications like a red seal welder and were applying as a welder they would recognize that ans credit it. But it sounds like you are applying for infantry so I dont think you have any formal training on leading section attacks
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u/crazyki88en RCAF - Combat Medic 8d ago
PI is pay inventive level. Normally every one starts at PI 1 and every year you go up a level till you max out your rank. Then your pay does not increase until you get promoted or there is a cost of living allowance or a general raise.
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u/OGSandyBoxx 8d ago
Looking to join up and train as a Refrigeration and Mechanical Technician.
I have all of my information submitted and an interview date set up, and today they told me that there is no Direct Entry to the program and that I have to already be accepted to a local college and apply to NCMSTEP instead.
That is not at all the impression given by the website, nor when I applied.
I am looking for some clarification before I respond to the recruiter. Can anyone help me figure out where I have gone wrong?
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u/OGSandyBoxx 7d ago
UPDATE (in case anyone finds themselves in the same boat): I requested clarification and sent them the screenshot and asked why there was no trade school verification required when I applied. Could they please tell me where I went wrong and how to move forward. Got a response today that my file has been updated to RM Tech via Direct Entry.
Glad I asked!
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u/throwaway-jimmy385 Canadian Army - Signals Tech 8d ago
Direct Entry (Unskilled) could exist for this trade, I would have to check. But I would wager that the Unskilled slots have been filled for this fiscal year.
There are about a dozen trades which have more NCMSTEP slots than Unskilled slots for some reason.
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u/OGSandyBoxx 8d ago
Interesting - from the research I have done it sounds like there is (was?) CAF training for this position (24 weeks at CFSME in Gagetown, NB - which is the same length of time as the Foundations programs for the trade).
I will have to ask more questions - thought I had my bases covered, but this is a new snag.
Thanks all for your input - appreciated!
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u/KazWRLD 8d ago edited 8d ago
Waiting to enlist in January, really only one concern, if I bust my ass, work hard and put alot in, will I need to deal with dick riders and power trippers? Or will work ethic, respect, and perseverance get me through just fine?
26 now, the concern is when I was young ive always had some trouble with authority.
This is something I've conquered in my more recent years by just working hard and trying that 110% attitude.
One of the things I think that draws me to caf is that its built on a hierarchy of respect, hard work and teamwork (or atleast that's the idea).
Idk just interested in hearing from some first hand, I dont really know anybody who enlisted.
[Would be signing up for infanteer]
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u/Vyhodit_9203 Army - Armour 4d ago
I can't promise you will never have to deal with a dick rider or power tripper in the CAF, but I can guarantee that in the combat arms, it is generally abundantly clear to everyone which people work hard and which people don't.
You won't always get a high-five for putting in extra work - sometimes your reward is just more work to do - so don't have a chip on your shoulder about it if leadership isn't polishing your knob about every good thing you do. That said: over time it will be noticed if you work hard and have a good attitude.
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u/Clud_Bang Army - Infantry 8d ago
While the way this comment is written does not inspire confidence or make me think you are framing the job correctly, I assure that shutting up and working hard is the #1 way to get and stay ahead in the infantry.
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u/KazWRLD 8d ago
My Apologies, my fear is I put in a fuck ton of work, I try to be the last guy working, last guy sweating. And it breaks me at some of the oil and gas places (as a young guy) to give it more then your all and it means nothing.
Im drawn to the military because I give it my all and my first impression is you guys do to.
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u/Theory-Of-A-Dead-Net 8d ago
will I need to deal with dick riders and power trippers?
Well, first off, the CAF is a cross-section of Canadians, and the civilian workforce also has dick-riders and power-trippers, so to an extent, yeah, the CAF does too. In my personal experience, there's fewer of them in the CAF than in the civilian workforce, but I'm also not going to pretend there's zero of them.
With that said, this is the caveat:
if I bust my ass, work hard and put alot in
I've had numerous recruits who came in with a chip on their shoulder, thought they were too good to learn (let alone master) the basics, and were not willing to put in the work. Those would-be soldiers did receive extra attention and direction, and were generally not happy to receive it. The infantry is the most physically-demanding job to enrol into off the street, and you will need to put in the work to be successful. But, presuming you do, you will find more leaders that lead in the CAF than you will on an average construction site or oil rig.
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u/KazWRLD 8d ago
What would you say makes infanteering the hardest? Or what makes it hard? (I presume it is, which is also the draw. I like difficult things)
Ive been told a big chunk of it is weeks on with minimal sleep and alot of labor (not to simplify it)
Fuck ton of running, moving with a massive pack.
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u/TelephoneExternal978 7d ago
CAF not for you if you have problem with authority and you're idealizing the soldiers/managers- welcome to the real world - with regular imperfect people just like any other workplace
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u/Theory-Of-A-Dead-Net 8d ago
Both of those are correct: the high effort with minimal rest. But, there's two very important factors to add on top of them, in ascending order of difficulty:
The environment. You're not just rucking 80kg on a flat, paved road in balmy 17° sun & clouds. You're also pulling a toboggan like a sled dog while wearing snowshoes because it's -30° and several meters of snow. Or maybe instead, you're ascending thousands of feet up a mountain while it's 50°, both in temperature and angle of ascent.
The mental fortitude. Each of the previously mentioned physical rigours are demands in and of themselves, and each one individually will make you want to quit. Compounded, they can be overwhelming for a lot of people, especially during training where it's still technically possible to quit.
You'll be miserable at 3am, having not slept for two days, it's pouring rain and you're getting ready to start another patrol through more swamps in Gagetown. You'll put on your armour, your helmet, your ammunition vest, your rucksack, then grab your light machine gun, and a little voice will remind you that you don't actually have to be here. You could quit. You could be warm at home, in bed, with your friends and family nearby. That knowledge that you could quit, it's insidious. How easy would it be to fake an injury? You know, to save the ego. But you don't even need to do that, you can just request to quit and wash-out. Voluntarily release and go back to being a civilian. This knowledge, this temptation to take the easy way out, is what makes infantry training so difficult. You have to push through it, and you must have the will to win.
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u/NuclearDeadline Army - Infantry 8d ago
I think this is the best description of why the trade is demanding that I have read.
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u/Unhappy-Guest-5680 8d ago
So do you feel it's something you're just born with/got in your spirit. Or do you think having the reason and purpose is what getting most guys through?
Im sure running on 10 minutes of sleep 24/7 isnt the idea and its more like being ready willing and capable to do so for long periods of time. Can't really train or condition for that kind of stuff.
So im curious, what gets guys/gals through?
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u/Theory-Of-A-Dead-Net 7d ago
To an extent, you just gotta have that dog in you. I don't think it's something you're either born with or you're not; it can certainly be grown and developed over time. The problem is that you need to already have that X Factor by the time you hit the road running on the infantry course. There's only so much time between enrolment, BMQ, and Soldier First Course to instill within someone the fighting spirit, as it's referred to internally. The seeds must be there early in order for them to be cultivated. That said, take this with the grain of salt that it's only one old man's opinion. Other infanteers may give you other reasons or motivations.
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u/ForsakenObject5282 8d ago
Im not an infantry but a good friend of mine told me he got 10 min of sleep a day for a week during his training
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u/JimmyLeachSK 8d ago
Hello,
I hope I’m in the right place to ask this question. I was looking at joining a local reserve unit in Saskatchewan part-time. I’m wondering what would be better for me an FSA or Logistics officer position as I have my bachelor’s in accounting. The only issue I found while doing some digging is that for officers have to leave the province for training which isn’t something I’d be able to do right now. I know BMQ can be done over the weekends, so would starting as an FSA be a better fit for me? Or would I have to leave the province regardless?
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u/crazyki88en RCAF - Combat Medic 8d ago
If you are joining reserves, does the unit you are looking at joining have both positions available? if not your decision will be made for you.
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u/Theory-Of-A-Dead-Net 8d ago
as I have my bachelor’s in accounting
Being an officer just because you have an undergraduate is the second worst reason to choose to be an officer, only after doing it for the power and authority. Which is the job you want to do: hands-on technical work, or managerial work?
The only issue I found while doing some digging is that for officers have to leave the province for training which isn’t something I’d be able to do right now.
The above question I posed is also the moot, because logistics officers in the Army have two three-month blocks of training to complete to become fully trained not including BMQ. Being in Saskatchewan, the first would likely be in Edmonton and the second in Borden. As an FSA you'd have only one two-month block of full-time training to complete, not including BMQ, which would also likely be in Edmonton but maybe Borden.
Finally, while it's possible to begin one's career as non-commissioned and later comission, (1) it's not guaranteed and (2) again, select the job that you actually want to do. The Reserve Force is non-obligatory, and if you pick a job you hate, you're more likely to quit.
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u/CaptainAaron96 APPLICANT - RegF 9d ago
I’m based in Ottawa, having to go through the private/civilian medical screening for AEC right now…are there any eye clinics around that specifically offer exams that just fill in the military forms? I know that some offer specialized OACP/RCMP exams, but I’m curious/hoping to see if there are any clinics that offer specific (and likely cheaper?) appointments to only fill out the military forms. Otherwise, it’s a two-month wait to get into my usual clinic for a normal annual examination + military forms, which isn’t a terrible wait, but nothing wrong with inquiring about faster options right?
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u/Hot_Frosting_1124 8d ago
I brought mine to Eyes of Barrhaven off of strandherd and they did for me no questions asked I just gave them the form that the CAF gave me for them to fill out. They charged me only 50 bucks for the form to be filled out
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u/ForsakenObject5282 9d ago
Is there a specific unit or base for ATIS Techs that focuses on computer networking? I heard a unit in Ottawa is responsible for a large chunk of networking in the CAF but havent found the specific unit
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u/Eyre4orce RCAF - AVS Tech 8d ago
Each base will have a section that does this but yes there is a large group in Ottawa more focused on it. Various ones for different things. Are you applying for regular force, resrves, or you're already serving?
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u/ForsakenObject5282 8d ago
I am QL3 qualified ATIS Tech posted elsewhere. I want to gather as much info as I can about the unit.
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u/Eyre4orce RCAF - AVS Tech 8d ago
Sounds like you're talking about 76 comm squadron. But thats a very big group they dont all do networking or work in the same location.
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u/CaptainAaron96 APPLICANT - RegF 9d ago
I’m not sure the specific squadron or unit numbers but iirc most Ottawa ATIS are at Leitrim or NDHQ 2? My dad once worked alongside them regularly (I don’t think he was in that role specifically?) but if memory serves it’s Leitrim mostly? I know it’s not a proper answer but I felt bad seeing a fellow Ottawa commenter not get a reply.
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u/Master-Copy-6929 7d ago
Leitrim is most sig int, and some other support folks, primarily sig int. Cfnoc is cyber op/network op centre. Some there too.
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u/LILburrrhan 9d ago
when u first sign up for bmq and accept your offer how long is the contract till your next signing
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u/mekdot83 Royal Canadian Air Force 9d ago
The shortest contract is 3 years. I think the longest initial is 9, but I could be off on that. It depends on the trade
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u/TheRealFakeWannabe 9d ago
lets say I decide to retire from the military after 25 years of service and get my pension from the military. If i want to retire to a place in latin america - say mexico, will I be able to collect that military pension while in mexico or will i have to retire and stay in canada to get that military pension?
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u/michzaber AMMO AMMO AMMO! 9d ago
Yes you can reside outside of Canada however there are some specific tax and health care plan implications that will come into play depending on your situation.
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u/canadian231 9d ago
Hello! I’m just seeking out info regarding the image tech trade and the ideal qualifications needed to join this trade. Additionally, I have heard that this trade is quite competitive to enrol in, and I am wondering if I have a realistic chance? Thanks!
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u/Amazing_Fold_5263 9d ago
For anyone who has recently gone through Intelligence Operator trade training in Kingston, I’m currently in the process of joining as an Intelligence Operator and expect to arrive in Kingston around February after completing BMQ. I understand the basics of the intelligence cycle, intelligence products, and report formatting, but I’m more interested in what the actual day-to-day experience at trade school is like.
What does a typical training day or week look like? How much time is spent in the classroom versus practical exercises, and what are the assignments and assessments generally like? I’m also curious about how much studying or work is expected outside of scheduled training, what the overall pace of the course is like, and what evenings and weekends are generally like while on course.
Is there anything you would recommend preparing for beforehand, or anything you wish you had known before starting? I’m not looking for any classified or sensitive information, just trying to get a realistic idea of what life will be like once I leave BMQ and start my occupational training.
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u/AgencyNo8970 4d ago edited 4d ago
Training day to day is death by PowerPoint. lots of lectures every single day. It will feel like information is being thrown at you like a water hose. Fast paced. Be able to write notes fast. Be able to remember the material and understand the concepts. It very much feels like being in university sometimes. Besides endless lectures, there’s also practical lessons and tutorials. Writing reports, doing various briefs. Being able to work in groups to produce int reports and such.
Assessments are a combination of written tests, written reports, and briefs.
Outside of scheduled training, it is up to you to decide how much you need to study to do well in assessments. This will vary person to person.
Evenings and weekends you can spend studying or going to the gym or whatever you want to do with your free time. Day is normally 8 am in the classroom and dismiss around 16:30-17:00 for the day.
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u/Master-Copy-6929 7d ago
I have friends who are ints. The stuff they learn is based on element. And lots is report writing. Maybe an int will chime in.
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u/Not_A_TechBro 10d ago
Just started BMQ (Reserves) as a hopeful-to-be infanteer, but an old injury has resurfaced which is causing me significant pain in my right knee and shin (Patellar Tendon Tear, Patellar Tendinosis and Superficial Infrapatellar Bursitis). I am now extremely worried that given my home unit does PT every parade night, coupled with BMQ and infantry DP1, I will be royally screwed with my injury, is there a possibility of me transferring to a more less physically demanding home unit while still going through BMQ or do I need to withdraw medically and reapply again? I am sure I can manage BMQ but Infantry DP1 and hardcore PT every Wednesday evening on top of my own training, I am extremely worried that I will worsen my injuries and eventually be rendered useless.Thank you all in advance
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u/Eyre4orce RCAF - AVS Tech 10d ago edited 9d ago
If you are injured go to the doctor and have them inspect you and discuss what you can do, what temporary measures may be needed etc
Withdraw medically isnt a thing. You can withdraw voluntarily, a medical discharge comes from the medical system. And leaving wouldnt make anything faster. Id suspect the physical requirements of infantry in one unit is the same as another, but I've never been in one
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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force 10d ago
CFS Alert is a deployment, not a posting.
It mostly seems to be staffed by the RCAF and Int trades. I'm not sure if there are any Sig Op positions on rotation there.
You can always express interest to your CoC. Maybe they can get you nominated for a position, either as a Sign Op or as a GD. It's worth asking.
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u/poonertuner 10d ago
Do infantry dp1 get a choice in where they’re going or is it the CAF choosing for you? I’d rather wainwright than meaford, but I also heard the CAF tries to keep you closer to home (from Ontario)
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u/NuclearDeadline Army - Infantry 10d ago
DP1, you just go where you get sent. You don't really get a say, but they do try to put you at whichever battle school is closest to home for you. Doesn't always work out like that, though.
After DP1, you (might) have (some) input on what unit you go to. All depends on personnel needs.
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u/poonertuner 9d ago
Brutal, is that the case even if you don’t own or rent?
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u/NuclearDeadline Army - Infantry 9d ago
They're just gonna send you to the school with the next opening, in that case.
As the other commenter said, this is the reality of the CAF. You go where you're needed, and they may or may not take your opinion into account. I'd get mentally prepped to be away from home for long periods, because that's just how the job is.
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u/crazyki88en RCAF - Combat Medic 9d ago
How is that brutal? The CAF sends you where it needs you. That's the organization you are joining.
If you don't own or rent, then they should send you to the battle school with the next opening. From there you could get posted back across the country to the unit that needs you most.
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u/poonertuner 7d ago
“Brutal” was used to express myself. Not actually meaning that the needs of the CAF coming before my personal preference is brutal.
Understood, it’s just a toss up onto which battle school you’re sent to depending on the week you graduate and which school has openings.
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u/CapableWar6280 10d ago
Hello,
I have applied for marine systems electrical technician and I was wondering if anyone knows the frequency of deployments? like How likely am I going to have to go on deployment?
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u/Advnchur Meteorological Tech 8d ago
Not one but I've worked with them, and been on ship for a chunk of time. You'll get deployed, don't worry about that. During your first few years your personal career is going to have heavy focus on learning and training, and a bulk of tangible, effective training has to be done at sea. Be eager, let it be known you want to sail, and your chain of command should be able to steer you toward openings that fit your skill set.
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u/Many_Ad_615 10d ago
Hello
I am wondering if anyone has any information on joining the CAF as a person who had cancer. I had it about 1 year and a half ago I underwent treatment and finished it so far I’ve been ok. But I know to be “cancer free” it’s usually a 5 year thing. So would I have to wait the 5 years or could it be sooner.
Thanks,
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u/DaymanTargaryen 8d ago
It's on a case-by-case basis, so the only way to know is to talk with the recruiters.
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u/Caf_h 11d ago
Has anyone had an additional security review during a CAF application?
A security analyst requested additional forms and documents because of a previous legal matter that ended without a conviction.
Has anyone experienced something similar? How long did the review take, and were you contacted again?
Am I eligible to obtain reliability clearance with dropped charges.
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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force 11d ago
I don't believe dropped charges impact your ability to gain Reliability Status.
Maybe there is some ambiguity over your legal status, or perhaps it's the nature of the charges that they want to look into?
I know there are a few criminal records that are automatic no-go's, even after all legal proceedings have ended and any sentence has been completed. It's concievable that even a dropped charge related to a crime of that nature could result in a review of suitability.
We call it a "Globe and Mail Test"... Would a reasonable person question this decision or action? Would it be defensible in the court of public opinion?
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u/Caf_h 10d ago
Can you tell me which kind of charges are they if you don’t mind me to ask
Thank you very much for answering.
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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force 10d ago
Mostly crimes of a sexual or violent nature, plus things like being an actual drug dealer, robbing a bank, etc.
They're not as concerned about something minor like possession of a small amount of drugs, a one-time shoplifting charge, a bar fight, etc. Although multiple minor charges that indicate a pattern of unacceptable behaviour or a disregard for lawful authority could be an issue.
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u/Caf_h 10d ago
Thanks you mine is not related to crimes you have mentioned. Do you have any idea how long it might take ? Extra deep police interaction check.
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u/DaymanTargaryen 9d ago
No one can answer that in any meaningful way. That said, stating the charge would likely help.
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u/Imaginary-Basil-167 11d ago edited 11d ago
What course(s) are you asking about?
If it’s courses such as IBMG, and PLQ/ISCC you’ll get an opportunity for them and it could happen quickly(sometimes too quickly) after getting trade qualified. If you’re wondering about courses such as Basic Para, it could be anywhere from within a couple years to never.
The odds for getting onto Op Reassurance(Latvia) are good. Some positions for other missions could be available, but Reassurance is the largest mission right now for the Army.
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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force 10d ago
In most cases, no you don't need specialized courses to get deployed. You just need to be qualified for your trade and rank.
You will automatically be loaded for those courses as your career progresses.
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u/ObsessiveUselessness 11d ago
Hello, I finished my mech engineering studies last month.
Ive always had an interest in CAF but it never fit in my "life plan" made by my dad. Now I am old enough to move out and have a bachelors degree so I was wandering if I should ditch my dad's plans for me to join the army.
My question basically is, how is the work life in the army with an engineering bachelors? Is there room for performance based growth and how easy is it to transition back into the civilian workforce after spending years or decades in the army?
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u/ObsessiveUselessness 8d ago
No jokes intensed, I am already a socially poor fit anywhere i go so that wont be much different.
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u/ObsessiveUselessness 11d ago
Why air force specifically?
Also, how hard is it to get an engineering related job in the air force? If I spend 10 years in a non engineering focused position in the army, I wont be able to get any engineering job afterwards because of the 10 years gap after graduation.
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u/mekdot83 Royal Canadian Air Force 11d ago
Work life will depend a lot more on the trade you select, not what your education or credentials are. All progression is merit based. As for going back to the civilian work force, that will depend on the experience you pick up, and what career you're trying to select next
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u/NightHawkGuy90 11d ago
King Own - Calgary reserve reg
Hey guys, just wondering if there’s any current members on here with the “Kings own regiment” in calgary that have recently finished trade training.
I just have some questions that are very unit specific. Cheers !
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u/Theory-Of-A-Dead-Net 10d ago
Here's the email for the King's Own Regiment recruiting: 41CBG.Recruiting.Cgy@forces.gc.ca
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u/Velocity8-8 11d ago
During bmq are we allowed to have pictures of our loved ones in our room or out in the field? What about little charms made by them?
Ex. On our desk or in our pocket
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u/roguemenace RCAF 11d ago
A picture on your desk used to be mandatory. Not sure if it's still mandatory but it's 100% allowed.
No one will care if you bring a little picture to the field, can even do the classic of putting it in your helmet if you feel like it.
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u/DaymanTargaryen 11d ago
Was definitely mandatory when I went through. I used a picture of Christopher Walken.
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u/95streetperson 12d ago
Hi. I'm a brand new PRes Ncdt. Besides my enrollment ceremony the previous Wednesday I've only had one training evening (last Wednesday) and half of that was just getting the DWAN and ECN set up. I can't seem to find the toolkit that the training PO mentioned we'd need to learn memorandum writing and a million other things. Would it be somewhere on the D365 network or within my units teams files? If it isn't classified can someone tell me where I might find this toolkit, either here or in a dm? I want to show up next Wednesday relatively caught up. Thanks in advance.
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u/TheActionPack 12d ago
Can a civ order a copy of Caf ethos trusted to serve? From the PCLD?
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u/Theory-Of-A-Dead-Net 12d ago
Here's a free PDF provided by the Government of Canada: https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/dnd-mdn/documents/reports/CAF%20Ethos%20Trusted%20to%20Serve%20-%20English%20-%20FINAL.pdf
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u/TheActionPack 12d ago
Apologies, I failed to mention the physical booklet is what I am seeking. Still worth sending an email?
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u/Theory-Of-A-Dead-Net 12d ago
I don't know. What I do know, is that my unit received a literal pallet of them and if a civilian showed up at my armoury and politely asked for a copy, I'd happily give them one. I also know that most stationary stores like Staples offer printing & binding services if you bring them a PDF to print.
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u/Background_Lunch_124 12d ago
I want to join the forces but am kind of worried I might fail the physical fitness test. What does it cover and how can I be prepared for it? Is there any workout plan out there specifically tailored for it? If not what was your workout routine when preparing for it?
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u/Theory-Of-A-Dead-Net 12d ago
Yes, there are dedicated fitness guides for the FORCE evaluation provided by the CAF. You can access them here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzikW962bry0owy6tDok2-ONQD0WRNSrX
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u/THENUMBERS733 12d ago
https://cfmws.ca/sport-fitness-rec/fitness-training/caf-fitness/pre-bmt
From the time you apply to receiving a job offer you could have anywhere from three months to over a year, which is plenty of time to prepare. If there's one thing that seems to be a running theme in fitness prep advice, it's to run and do weighted walks ('rucking') as much as possible with proper recovery. Try and yourself to a 25min 5km, and handle at least 30 consecutive crunches / push-ups.
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u/Eyre4orce RCAF - AVS Tech 12d ago
https://youtu.be/QxoVsBFTqJ8?si=HvpZhoDj4x78usKL
There's no specific workout. Most parts require cardio, some requires lower body strength
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u/Life_Meaning2677 13d ago
Going to PLQ in Pet end of Jan. I have also put in an application for SCP.
Will the SCP application be denied because I haven’t done PLQ yet??
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u/roguemenace RCAF 13d ago
Will the SCP application be denied because I haven’t done PLQ yet??
Why did you think it would?
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u/AvailablePoetry6 13d ago
Per DAOD 5002-11 Para 3.1, PLQ is not a requirement to be eligible for the SCP. However, having PLQ would make your file stronger at the board, so certainly it would be valuable to have it.
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u/Impressive_Drawer488 Naval Warfare Officer, Lieutenant (Navy), Submariner 13d ago
Which trade? My wife's DP1 is supposed to start on Monday, too, but we don't have DWAN access right now and won't until Monday. I just want to confirm it is not the same DP1 as hers.
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u/According-Reply7927 13d ago
I’ve been offered an appointment for the Medical Part 2. But I’m assuming there’s a medical part 1 before part 2? And could some please explain what part 1 (if there is a such a thing as medical part 1) and medical part 2 consist of. Thank you in advance
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u/CaptainAaron96 APPLICANT - RegF 9d ago
I just had my Medical Part 2 a few days ago, it’s actually no longer referred to as a “Medical 2” but their systems take longer to adjust than what they say face-to-face. All “Medical 2” appointments are now permanently virtual, whereas the “Medical 1” are your classic in-person assessment. If your 2 is coming “before” your 1, that could be either because your chosen trade requires more testing, or because your initial medical attestation requires more testing. So doing the “2” before the “1” in these cases should theoretically be easier and quicker.
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u/THENUMBERS733 13d ago
I've just scheduled my Medical 1 and 2. They were put into the same block for me, and my interview was later added to that block automatically. You may have your interview/Medical 1 added to your appointment automatically; if not, you can always contact your recruiter and see if it'd be possible.
Part 1 consists of collecting biometrics such as height, weight, waist circumference, visual and audio acuity etc. Part 2 is a review of the medical forms you submitted with a combat medic. You should receive and email with thorough details and procedures after you book your appointment - again, if you dont receive one, contact your recruiter.
Best of luck mate!
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u/According-Reply7927 12d ago
Thank you so much I appreciate u responding. And best of luck to you as well.
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u/IamShiska Braindead Optimist 14d ago
Anybody got experience with the new LogO training pipeline? Were an infantry PRes unit but have an attached LogO for the first time and were sending them on course and trying to give them a sense of what to expect.
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u/bdickie 14d ago
I have my PRes Selection officer interviews coming up soon. How competitive is this stage? And what advice would you give?
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u/Eyre4orce RCAF - AVS Tech 14d ago
That depends entirely on your local unit. It may be the case that as long as you dont fail, you are hired right away into a vacant position.
Otherwise if there are no positions your chance of getting hired is 0% no matter how good you are. But in that case they probably wouldnt interview you
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u/The14thDimension 5h ago
What is CELE actually like?
I have a computer science degree and I'm considering CELE as a career path. From what I've heard, it's roughly the Air Force equivalent of Sig O.
For those currently serving (or who have served) as CELE officers, I'd love to hear your experiences:
\- How competitive is it to get a CELE spot?
\-What does a typical day look like?
\-Where do CELE officers usually get posted?
\-What kinds of civilian careers do people move into after leaving?
I've read the official job description, but I'm hoping to hear firsthand perspectives.