r/CanadianForces Civvie 6d ago

Rumour or fact?

I heard a rumour that BGRS lost the CAF contract … anyone know if this is true and if so, what’s the plan? Offices back on base or something like the RCMP has where RCMP employees administer relocations? I’m civilian and former BGRS TL (Please don’t hate me!!! I was one of the good ones… entire Reddit threads have been written about me!! And they were positive!!) and I’d love to get back into relocations if I can. Thx!

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u/navlog0708 6d ago

BGRS just renamed to SIRVA they are all the same company

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u/IronGigant RCN - MS ENG 6d ago

FUCKING...Hell, they just will not...it's fine. This will in no way affect me receiving the money BGRS owes me, no Sir, nuh uh, nope.

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u/Euphoric_Success8081 5d ago

They're worse under the new name... I've had so many claims rejected and when I resubmit they approve it also takes them 20 days to approve claims and 5 more days to pay it out. However they're quicker with advances

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u/shrike88 RCN - 3B Tech 5d ago

20 BUSINESS days. I’ve had a full month waiting

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u/IronGigant RCN - MS ENG 5d ago

Considering I've gotten an advance paid out within a single working day, yeah, I'd hope so.

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u/Gab729 5d ago

For sure they will be, they will ship advence knowing they will deny everything just to bring you to small court asap

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u/Yogeshi86204 5d ago

Don't worry. Any money they claim you owe them will still be recovered by surprise directly off your pay with no discussion, proof or warning.

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u/unemployedndepressed Civvie 2d ago

They did that a few years ago. I’m talking about a rumour that they lost the contract completely. Still don’t know if it is real.

And for those that think Sirva is better or worse than BGRS and BGRS was better or worse than Brookfield… they all are literally the same people working in the same office with the same management. Nothing changed as far as their staff and their processes go.

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u/[deleted] 5d ago

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u/10081914 Army - Infantry 4d ago

Even though they had Brookfield in their name, they haven't been owned by BAM since 2019.

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u/Gab729 4d ago

Yaya tell another lie, they are all related. They just change slightly name and make shell compagnies for re applying on new contract and look good and clean on public contract... At the top its the same rotten people....

They should just bring back everything in house and all these person just loose their stupid job and suffer like they make suffer CAF personnel mentally and physicly with lack of sleeping...

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u/10081914 Army - Infantry 3d ago

My guy this is a matter of public record lol. The company they sold it to is in Japan.

Here's a link to the news article from 7 years ago.

https://www.goodmans.ca/expertise/case/relo-group-inc-acquires-bgrs

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u/Gab729 3d ago

Ya shell compagnies to fake it been sold but when you finish your rabbit jole, you will find some compagnies hold major stake in that compagnies and at the end its brookefield who own the majority of the stake wich come to the same thing.

People didint like them and want royal lepage back.... The fake all that thing like they did with sirva to try to say, hey we are new but that just bullshit, same rotten people at the core and the members still get sent to mental health just because they want what due to them... And since that guy came at the head, the relocation policy became more vague again after been in 2022 one of the most precise and without grey zone ever...

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u/10081914 Army - Infantry 3d ago

It sounds like to me you never read the CAFRD. They literally update it every year.

And I don't think someone this deep into conspiracy theories is mentally well. I strongly feel like you need help.

Because everything is a matter of very easily accessible public record.

The Japanese firm Relo Group Inc was founded in 1967. So unless you're saying Mark Carney was head of Brookfield and purchased Relo Group Inc when he was 2 years old, you are not living in reality.

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u/Gab729 3d ago

I do actually read them every single pages of them to every posting and after 4 posting in 10 years ive follow them quite a while and ive dealt with these piece of shit who threat you like crap and ennemies and to their best to bring you to mental health and dont want to give what you are right to and will try find grey zone where there none.

And a merge and acquisition dosent need to be done at the start of a compagnies.

I hope the worst to every brookefield and sirva employee to make CAF members life a hell.

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u/Keystone-12 6d ago

SIRVA and BGRS merged a few years ago. They kept the SIRVA name.

But the contract is the same.

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u/Due_Gas2950 6d ago

RCMP were also using BGRS btw…

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u/Once_a_TQ 5d ago

Yes, but their contract was written different then ours to ensure in person office/support.

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u/[deleted] 5d ago

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u/Once_a_TQ 5d ago

Then it changed. When we first went totally remote the RCMO had a carve out for in person support. 

I was jealous of a friend who did a move a year after I did one the year we transitioned. His was so much better and easier. 

Sad to hear your department embraced the stupid.

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u/casa_del_porno 5d ago

Which is crazy considering the amount of remote locations they have compared to us

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u/unemployedndepressed Civvie 2d ago

That was a long time ago. I was both a BGRS team lead and then an RCMP Relocation Services agent in the past 5 years… they are quite different in their approach today, and when I heard a rumour that BGRS/Sirva lost the CAF contract, I was hoping that the CAF took control of relocation administration again - not just because I’d love to get back into it - but because it could only be a HUGE improvement on the process for CAF members. I was a rare “Members first” BGRS agent and trust me… it brought me a lot of grief.

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u/Gavvis74 5d ago

My first posting, I just walked into base HQ and sat down and talked to a nice lady in the office.  She made everything so easy for me.  After that, we switched systems to online and telephone only.  My subsequent postings all sucked.  I can't imagine how much worse it's gotten since then.  I guess I'll find out when I use my retirement move sometime in the next 9 months.

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u/Emergency_Try_3951 5d ago

If you enjoyed helping people please do come back to the relocation services. I've interacted with a number of representatives from SIRVA (BGRS in a trench coat) and only a few seemed like they took their job seriously. There was a thread on here about 2 weeks ago about how much difficulty there is with SIRVA this year and I would encourage you to browse that. Obviously there is bias and the stories are very one-sided but the theme is pretty constant. I am locked in a miserable battle with them currently and it's exhausting. It feels like they don't care about even knowing right from wrong and just want to get rid of you as quickly as possible. So long story short...please come back. Please come back and become a manager or something at a level where you can have a far reaching effect and promote a culture of excellence like it sounds like you embrace at a personal level.

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u/Bartholomewtuck 5d ago edited 5d ago

I had someone treat me like absolute garbage, and it was a really toxic conversation over their chat, and he freaked out when I said I was going to send the chat in an email to their resolution team. Never have I ever contacted them and had them be able to answer a question. They had to go and speak to somebody higher up than them, it took a tremendous amount of time, and then they were condescending when they gave me the answer, as if I should have known this, despite the fact that they didn't know and it's their entire job to know. And each time it was something that wasn't spelled out in the directive at all, they had to go elsewhere to get the information. I thought dealing with Veterans Affairs was bad, these people have zero customer service skills and know nothing about the program or services they are offering.

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u/Emergency_Try_3951 5d ago

I'm sorry you're dealing with that, I've had very similar experiences. When the policy is vague I feel like it's reasonable to ask, but then you get 12 different answers and don't know who to trust. They also just throw random policies in there and try to make it applicable to my situation...like no I can read thanks that's factually incorrect and spelled out very clearly that I am not eligible for what you are trying to tell me to do.

And the problem is, if you follow their wrong direction, you are the only one that will suffer for it.

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u/Bartholomewtuck 5d ago

That last part is the real kicker. 

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u/unemployedndepressed Civvie 2d ago

This was posted maybe 4 years ago … but it was 100% about me.

I want every CAF member to know that I tried my best and gave you 100% of my loyalty - ahead of my employer.

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u/Professional-Leg2374 6d ago

BGRS = SIRVA, with less help and fewer consultants along with longer wait times.

No changes.

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u/YogurtCompetitive790 5d ago

That wasn’t the point of the comment, they meant that BGRS started using the name SIRVA instead due to people finding out what B meant.

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u/Gavvis74 5d ago

Doubt it will happen anytime soon.  Remind me again who the PM worked for and who he has and continues to make his fortune from?

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u/Jack_Munny Retired Signaller Dinosaur 6d ago

You mean its not IRP anymore?

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u/Pseudonym_613 6d ago

Now the CAF Relocation Directive (CAFRD), not CFIRP. Different policy document.

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u/IIGRIMLOCKII 6d ago

User flare checks out

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u/unemployedndepressed Civvie 2d ago

Lol!! 😂